How in the world would you know when a written story is fiction or nonfiction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
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How in the world would you know when a written story is fiction or nonfiction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Do you go through your site often and read what's posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMark
You have a section that you titled:
Young and Hung
For guys under 21 years old (all members are welcome to contribute, however)
You have men posting there about how big some kids cocks are in the urinal that can't be more then 11 or 13 years old, what situations to see kids naked in, etc.
There's more but I'm not getting into every post there that shows the purpose that a lot of people are using your site for, let alone every real life account users are posting of adult obscenities with minors.
Again, how do you know who's telling the truth and who's making up stories? For all we know, every single "real-life story" on that board could be fictitious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Legally, precedent has been set whereby it DOESNT MATTER whether the stories are real or fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMark
The precedent DIDNT involve publishing the stories either, YOU are publishing and distributing the stories which makes it worse, for YOU.
What part of that dont you understand?
As a side note, do you have any child porn pictures in your gallery section of the site?
Regards,
Lee
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Originally Posted by Lee
He doesn't know because he doesn't ask for 2257 info as users post their own pics and besides... someone could look 8 and really be 18! >sarcasm<
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Originally Posted by Lee
And a VERY dangerous precedent at that. That is an outright abuse of the law on the state's part. If we can be arrested for things that we write in our private, personal diaries, then this country is most definitely falling apart.
Again, there is no need to even consider the content in the diary, as that is not the point. On legality alone, this constitutes a VERY dangerous move on the part of the state to erode not only privacy rights, but the First Amendment.
And on that note.. why would any board operator take a chance that the stories aren't a pedos "diary" of what he's done that's he's posting in the forums. The cops bust him, raid his home, and find all his lovely posts on your board... now what?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
Mark, you might want to set up a system whereby your members can alert you to any suspect material. Then you can review it at your leisure and deem whether you think it is apppropriate or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterMark
As a general rule of thumb, submitting stories that feature kids engaging in sexual activity is not a good idea.
I think some other story sites on the 'Net make exceptions for "memory stories" that are written in the context of an older man recalling his first sexual experience. Those stories usually get around the underage thing b/cuz they are placed in a context in which the supposed "truth" of the story makes it "OK." (Personally, I think these kinds of stories are fine. If I want to write about my first time with my 14-year-old neighbor when I was 16, then that is my right. It will definitely be going into my memoirs, which I am currently working on... )
Wait, did he post the content from his diary on the 'Net? Did I miss that part? I was under the impression that this was an old-fashioned diary that he had in his home. I only skimmed the story that Lee posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
I just went back and reread the story, and I was right. This was a diary that was not posted on the 'Net. The material was never disseminated at all. I understand that he was on probation for something involving CP photographs, but again, writing your fantasies in your private diary is not illegal--regardless of what the fantasies are. A major injustice has been served in this case. Not necessarily against this man (who obviously needs help), but against the right to privacy of ALL citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
What if I wrote in my private journal something like: "Jesus, I'm not into kids, but that 15-year-old kid next door is fuckin' hot. If only I were 20 years younger, I would love to do some seriously hot things to him." If I could be arrested for that, then this country is absolutely falling apart. But, under this administration, I'm not surprised to see our civil liberties being systematically stolen from us.
No I was referring to MisterMarks comment about not knowing if the **** posts on his board were real accounts or make believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
As in "What if the stories are a pedos "diary" of what he's done that's he's posting in the forums. The cops bust him, raid his home, and find all his lovely posts on your board... now what?" :goofy:
Oh. OK. Never mind my earlier posts. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Well, as I said to Mark above, it's a good idea to set up a system whereby other members can alert you to content that is suspect. Webmasters do have a certain responsibility to uphold certain standards of decency in the adult community, as we've all talked about here. He has to draw the lines for his own site on his own terms, but he also has to be prepared to pay the price if he chooses to allow suspect material to be posted without review.
All of us who are in this business should be held accountable for what we put out into the world, just as we should all be held accountable for our actions in our everyday lives as well. That's my motto, and I'm sticking to it. :)
Interestingly, though, CCBill apparently won't process for sites that mention such things... one of our sites has interviews with models talking about their first sexual experiences and so forth, and CCBill wouldn't approve the tour until we removed the references in the tour to the models descriptions of their experiences when they were younger. (It could be that this was some $8/hour bozo making this determination, but I couldn't get them to concede the point even after arguing.)Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
Even here, my own view (which I'm not suggesting is right for anyone else) is that we have to act responsibly in what we make available to members, not out of obscenity but out of decency. We have had a couple of models relate stories during their interviews about being coerced by an adult into blowjobs or handjobs, or other things that I figured (a) the model might later find hurtful if it was publically distributed or (b) might encourage unhealthy behaviors in those viewing our site. So we simply chose not to include those portions of the interview when we edited the clip together.
Completely agree with you, boyfunk. Though I find nothing indecent about sharing stories of consensual first times, I understand your position. You have to do what you feel is appropriate. The line of "decency," however, is very subjective. For me, it boils down to context. If the context of the story is one that is presented as the incident being a positive one, then I'm more apt to allow it. For a lot of gay men, our first times happened during our teenage years. Hell, for most people, 15 or 16 and 17 are the most common ages for losing one's virginity. I don't think it's inapprpriate to relay those stories dramatically, so long as they are placed in the proper context. But again, we all have our own ideas of what constitutes proper. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by boyfunk
On another note, what of television shows like Veronica Mars and Dawson's Creek showing teenagers having sex? I mean, isn't that child pornography by some people's standards? True, there is no actual nudity, but these are underage kids being depicted in sexual situations. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by boyfunk