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Oh, and in regards to this, this is called a DISCUSSION board, procam. Last time I checked, it wasn't illegal to have an actual DISCUSSION here.Quote:
Originally Posted by procam
What we do in our private time off of this board is not your concern, nor do you have a good reason (other than, evidently, arrogance) to slam any of us for expressing our opinions on a board that was specifically created for that very purpose.
'Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by procam
Haha. That's pretty rich coming from the guy who, um, posted this:
Last time I checked, LET US was two words, not one.Quote:
Lettuce know which law enforcement agency you placed a complaint with - and provide a phone number - I will personally back the complaint if you did DO something~
And if you're seriously going to split hairs over a TYPO, dude, you're obviously feeling quite high on yourself today.
In other words, dude, to quote you: It might mean more if you actually knew how to spell let us.
Too fuckin' funny...
My comments have always been in two parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
1) As a pornographer. 2)Personal stand on animals
As a pornographer - If the product is LEGAL then S.T.F.U. or get the hell out of the Jizz Biz. It's a legal product and all the moaners need to grow up. Trust me if you start demanding goverment step in, on any issue. Sooner or later you will have hetro pornographers demand goverment get rid of the gay ones. AND VICE VERSA.
Use your damn brains. Goverment is NOT a pornographer's friend. I'm not saying we have to support *********** but we should damn well mind what we say. Otherwise, you may find the goverment pointing a finger at you.
2) My personal opinion on animals and their place in this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
You know what gets me is the majority of the people making a comment about "Abuse" and "Consesual Sex" from innocent animals probably have never had any more contact then their pets, the zoo or Zaboomafoo(sp?)
And this you use as a basis for your opinions.
I'm sorry but once you get past your pets, these creatures could give a shit less about you or I. A moose looks all find and cute in the Disney movie, "Brother Bear." But trust me that thing is fucking huge, can take out pick up truck and still light up a smoke and talk about it afterwards.
They are NOT cute, tranquil and they do not enjoy being hand fed.
And I'm also sorry for my "Un-enlighten" perspective but I grew up in a very rural area. Newfoundland didn't join Canada until 1949 and it did so because most of it was still exhisting in a pre- 17th century condition. Simply put, Vegetarian would not have lived a single winter in Fishot if they weren't prepared to kill a wild animal.
And trust me a wolf wouldn't thing twice of eating a vegetarian animal rights activist if it was hungry. (Sorry basschick - I'm not trying to flame you, just speak my mind.)
For crying out loud, these are bloody animals we are talking about. They are food, cloathing and fuel. The only right they have is to not be forced into extinction.
With all the diseases, crimes, stupid politicians and other crap in this world. Can people not find something better to do then worry about if a dog gets a blow job from a human?
Shit, it was worring about a blow job that put Emporer Bush on your throne.
If you've actually been reading my responses to you, you know that I agree with you 100% on this. So not sure why you felt the need to go off on such a rant when I was standing behind the legality of the issue. Apparently you felt the need to loudly beat your chest in public yet again. Oh well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele
You're missing the point, Hamilton. True animal activists don't give a shit about how cute an animal is. Nor do I. Rights aren't only for pretty people or cute animals. Anyone who cares about and has respect for LIFE in general knows this. I think snakes are positively disgusting and horrid creatures, but I certainly would not advocate the slaughter and raping of them.Quote:
They are NOT cute, tranquil and they do not enjoy being hand fed.
An incredibly archaic, base, and, yes, unenlightened way of thinking in my opinion, but hey, you have the right to that stance and I don't fault you for it. Have at it if that's what makes you happy! You gotta do what makes you happy, buddy. I would expect that you would feel the same way in return.Quote:
For crying out loud, these are bloody animals we are talking about. They are food, cloathing and fuel. The only right they have is to not be forced into extinction.
God, I hate arguments like that. Bad shit happens in the world all the time; it doesn't mean that other issues that we feel passionate about aren't important to us, or that we shouldn't advocate them. Since when did you get to decide which issues are of the most relevance and importance?Quote:
With all the diseases, crimes, stupid politicians and other crap in this world. Can people not find something better to do then worry about if a dog gets a blow job from a human?
Anyway, I think I've said my peace here. I have no intentions of getting into a never-ending pissing match with anyone. I don't need to shout the loudest and assert my arrogance to feel secure in my own opinions, of which I am quite confident, thank you very much.
Peace out.
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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
Im gonna be nice to you since yer a new guy round here - but Ill give u a brief rundown WHY this pisses me off so ~~
Last time this came up - some of the same people bitching now wouldnt say a WORD about it and it was a different webmaster making mad cash from bestiality ~ and some of the stuff on his site was so disgusting my skin crawls just remembering it.
I argued it wrong to the bitter end - and yes I did file police reports against the webmaster and also notified federal authorities,
The webmaster in the end removed a large portion of it only because I dug into his host and upstream providers and was not planning to let up !!
But none of the people complaining about bestiality would stand against that webmaster --- thus the reason this is a sore topic now with me- I personally think if someones gonna complain about it - you should be prepared to do something about it to back up the mouth,.
I wasn't really trying to go off on you. You were just kind of in the line of fire. It drives me freaking nuts when people that earn a income from this industry turn around and bite the hand that feeds them.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
So yes you were right. I was loudly beating my chest. I started with only a simple post and allowed myself to get pulled into it.
And yes on the legal issues you are a voice of reason.
Thats your right to believe in that. I support your right to take that stand and voice your opinion. Basschick who practices the veggie lifestyle and doesn't wear leather is the same. If thats what give your lives meaning, all the power to you. Personally speaking I'm more concern with human issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
The funny thing is when I'm not typing my stuff on this forum. I've had several discussions with friends about this. (Wanted to see if I was a wingnut or not)Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
I came to the same conclusion. That you have an unenlightend and uninformed way of thinking based on animal shows. Not trying to take a slam at you. But I think what we have going on here is the old fight of "City Boy" vs. "Farm Boy." But in my case "out-back & fishing-village boy."
Yes bad shit happens all the time and it happens to good people. You know I haven't mention Animal Testing because it really gets to me. And not in the way most animal rights activitists would like think.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
Lets just say if certain laws and pressures weren't applied on various labs and companies there would be a series of different drugs available to treat lukemia. These drugs might have saved lives or at the very least help with pain.
But some group of people some place decided that a chimp's life is more important then the life of a child. They don't stop to think for 2 minutes that what they are doing is going to negatively impact and even consign many to a death sentence.
Oh I'm bad for this. I get into pissing matches all the time. I really don't actively search them out but but when someone tosses me the ball. ---Well, I have a bad tendancy to run with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
But in my defense I'm considered a pacifist back in my home village. So maybe I come by it naturally.
Hamilton
PS> I'm sorry buddy, I didn't mean to piss in your cornflakes. My fault for being a neaderthal toward you.
Hamilton,
It's all good. Glad you clarified some of your concerns, but I have to disagree with you on the issue of animal testing. There have been more than enough tests done to show that drug testing can be simulated using computers and other equipment that is just as reliable as doing it on a live animal. I'm probably a little more lenient to certain testing (a cure for cancer, perhaps), but when it comes to product testing, I am 100% against it. We should never spray cologne or deodorant or hairspray into an animal's eyes to see how it will react. That's just purely unnecessary. But, in regards to your statement about there not being a cure for leukemia b/cuz of animal testing, I think you should look into that a little bit more. I highly doubt that the prevention of animal testing has ANYTHING to do with the "failure" of medical research facilities to come up with cures for the diseases that drug companies continue to profit from.
You may be surprised to know this, but I'm actually not the city boy you think me to be. I may live in Los Angeles now, but I only moved here four years ago. I actually grew up in the mountains of Pennsylvania, Maryland and West Virginia. I'm a Mason Dixon County boy all the way. My love of animals extends way back to that, and, as I've always had very special bonds with many animals, my respect for their well-being and their lives can be traced back to my own country days.
And I really don't think there is anything unenlightened about having immense respect for all life. In fact, I think it's anything but unenlightened.
:)
Ken
And I would agree with you, but the one thing you're not taking into consideration is the power of boards such as these to introduce people to new ways of thinking. You forget that the majority of the action taken in the '60s was the result of very similar consciousness-raising that took place through much DISCUSSION and DEBATE, the kind that prompted people to re-examine their beliefs on certain topics or re-affirm their opinions about others. It is through such discussion that the seeds for subsequent action are often planted, and to berate, condemn or criticize anyone for posting their opinions (a true form of activisim in its own right) on boards such as these is to negate a very important part of activism in its simplest form.Quote:
Originally Posted by procam
Actions often speak louder than words, yes, but sometimes (and in most cases), the words are what lead to the subsequent action.
Ken
Well lets start by saying.. "ahhh" I'm of a cooler mind set and I'm glad to see you didn't take it personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
As for the comments on leukemia. You will be hard pressed to find doctors and specialists that are informed as I am. If you walk into my home in Newfie there are literally stacks of books and papers about everything and anything. Lukemia and I are very good and old friends.
I'm sory I should have never brought up that aspect of the topic. So I hope you don't mind. But I'm going to back out of this part.
I would have never taken you for a farm-boy in a million years. You just seem so "Peter North-ish" in this conversation. Still, rural area politeness is needed so I'll just say "Ay's b'ys - r yoo gett'n on d'ar?"Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
(If you can't read that and it's in english--I'm a francophone from that region, imagine what it sounds like when I and loose control of my newfie accent.)
I have immense respect for life and this planet. I believe in living within the eco-system and not robbing future generations of resources. And animals are part of the resources of this planet.
So lets compare notes. This is my beliefs:
1) No species should be forced into extinction.
2) All things are inheritantly free and should die that way.
3) If don't have a damn good reason, you shouldn't own another creature. (I'm sorry just to have some dog sleep on your sofa or to go walking down the street is not a good reason in my books.)
4) If you going to do a job, do it right. (That means when you hunt, shoot the damn thing and don't torment it.)
5) Don't take what you don't need. Don't waste what you got. And use up what you got first before you go getting some more. (There is so much damn waste from animal slaughter that it makes me sick. If you used every damn part of the beast you wouldn't need so many of them.)
6) Every creature has a role and a part to play in this world. May not like but animals serve our needs and desires. (And if they don't like it, they have the right to evolve and become the dominate species. - yea thats kind of blue neck to say but I'm sure you comprehend my perspective.)
Hmm, so bestiality is now a thing of survival:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele
You mention how a wolf would not think twice about eating a vegetarian (somewhat off topic). The proper reversal of this topic ('on the other hand') would be a wolf kidnapping a person (as an example let's use your son, daughter, or someone close to you), followed by a brutal raping. Today a session of skull-fucking that last for hours because the poor animal's cock got locked in to the human's ear. Tomorrow, again the damn cock got locked, but this time in the ass. The day after, the mouth. And so on.
I see some are still holding on to their 17th-century ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele
I do not know where to begin with such a statement, but I do know where to end: by the way, humans are animals, just ask the Kratt Bros.
A new book just landed on the shelves at Chapters: 100-Ways to Tenderize Your Meat. (Chapter 1: Bestiality)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele
Yes, bestiality is so needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele
Using that mentality: if/when someone breaks in to your home and steals something, you (especially you) have no right to be upset or press charges ... after all the person 'needs' the money!
I must have missed that biology lesson, which taught that other creatures on this rock are merely humans fuck toys. Damn, I thought it was all about reaching a higher state of consciousness and helping creatures in need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele
I was going to say you posted the wrong colour, but I do not want to insult any rednecks. However since we are on the topic of the strongest will survive ... thanks, I will now beat-up any and all person that are weaker than I ... simply because it is natures way. HFITF (holy fuck is that fucked) but I am simply doing my part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele
To the moderators of the board or Lee - can you puh-leez provide me with a cute little emoticon whom is weaving a basket in a cloud above its head?
Buddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Paco
I hate to tell you, it has happened. Wolves have been known to grab and run off with children. More often then not, it is for food and not gratification. It may not be all that common, but a wild wolf has been known to bugger the odd human.
Trust me it ain't fucking urban legend.
Buddy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Paco
To a wolf, Dog, Cat, Moose, Bear, Chicken, Trout, etc.
They have no clue what century we are in. Nothing has really changed for them.
On the other hand, human society has developed and grown. Trying to extend "Equal Rights" to an animal is just plain screwed.
Again, my point remains the exact same.
We are the dominate species on this planet. And until that changes, nothing you say or do is going to stop a steak from tasting good or a pair of leather shoes from looking good on someone's feet.
Perhaps on day the planet of the apes will happen. And when that day comes maybe apes will "rape us."
As far as "Animal rape" is concern. It's a load of crap dreamed up by a bunch of pet owners. The owner of "Fi Fi," the french poodle, just can't imagine someone using such a "Beautiful Dog" for anything but sticking a stupid bow on the dog's head. And then parading it all over town for everyone to see.
And as far as *********** is concerned, these are people's trained pets. I'll bet you buttons to dollars that Fido is only too happy to give his owner a ride. It's probably no different to him from fetching a ball and getting a pat on the head with a comment of "Good Boy." I also will give you even odds that when the dog drops it's load it feels better.
I don't know how to be anymore blunt or basic in my comments, than what I have already stated. If people still can't see the forest from the trees. Then they never will. And will forever believe that Disney's personification of animals is real. :rolleyes:
Boy this conversation keeps getting dumber with each post. I really need to learn to walk away from a debate. There has to be some sort of support group. :notsure:
Yes yes .. this coversation is fucked!
Here is my last 'addition':
America IS the most powerful 'creature' ... have at er! Do as you wish and take what you want .. it is all yours.
(Before any persons complain, I have zero issue with the US, and only two concerns with Bush ... his christian ties and his fascist boner for censorship.)
P.S. The comment about the creature stuck in the 17th century was intended for you, but I believe you know that.
Hamilton,
Your defense of bestiality seems to hinge on what you don't know about what animals may or may not be thinking or feeling. But I would think that it would be because of that very reason that people would condemn it. We have no idea how they might be feeling about such a thing, so it's incumbent upon us to NOT take advantage of that fact.
And for God's sake, would you please get off the whole pet thing? There's nothing wrong with having a pet, and we can gleen from our pets' actions that they don't have a problem with it as well. (But when a pet is squirming to get away while you're bucking wildly away at its ass, I would guess to say that means they aren't enjoying themselves.) Like I've said, my cat knows that she is free to go whenever and wherever she wants, but it is obvious that she chooses not to. I leave the front door hanging wide open for her, and she never strays any further than three feet. And many many people have outdoor pets, who can certainly take off if they wish to.
People have pets for companionship, and in most cases, there is a mutual respect between pet "owner" and pet.
But just because animals can't talk in Engligh does not mean that they don't have anything important to say, or that their lives are any less important than ours. Humans may have become the "dominant species," as you put it, simply b/cuz we have evolved a little bit further, but we're also the ones who are probably going to destroy this world by blowing it up over greed over oil and, oh, any other little thing we can cook up in our "intellects." The only thing I see humans truly dominant in is arrogance, and you, my friend, seem to be a perfect example of that arrogance. It's almost as if you're saying, "Well, since the horse can't actually SAY 'no' in English, it doesn't mean he's against me fucking him, so why don't I just stick my dick in his ass since it's what *I* want to do?"
What about a three-month-old infant? They aren't able to say "NO" either. Does that make it OK to have sex with them?
Remember, in the early days, back before we had skyscrapers and computers and concrete roads, the animals were the dominant forces on the planet. True, we may have "evolved" and developed our intellects a bit more and taken over the world, but I don't think that entitles us to anything that we don't deserve. And there is a LOT we don't deserve. In fact, humans have never demonstrated that we deserve any of the things we have, because we've shown that we have no respect for the things we destroy and consume. In fact, it seems the only thing that has really gotten us to where we are today is greed. Pure, egomaniacal, human greed.
The rest of the world is not ours to do with as we please. We may think in our arrogance and vanity that it is, but no, it's not. It never has been. We are slowly destroying our own planet. One day, there won't even be a planet earth left because of what we've done to it. And who will we be able to blame for that? The supposedly "evolved" human race, that's who. As far as I'm concerned, such actions don't demonstrate intellectual superiority, but pure, unadulterated stupidity.
At least that's how I see it. :)
You know what?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
I'm going to try something I have never done before. Say 4 magick words.
Let's agree to disagree.
We are miles apart on this debate and neither one of us has given any ground. And to be honest---I don't want to fight anymore.
I want to go back to making fuck films and earning money.
Not because of any conversation on this forum. But it has been a hell of a day for me. So tonight I'm going to just hit an AA meeting and relax.
Peace to you Ken, BassChick and everyone else.