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Sorry LOL, but I really did not think there was such a thing as a “porn script” I must have missed that movie. :) I could see a story board but a script I don’t know what to think about that, but that said I would not know too much about that to begin with so I am really just talking out of my ass :honest:
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most of you already know this, but i am actively involved with the non-profit gay/lesbian country-western scene here in San Francisco. this includes the "IAGLCWDC" - The International Association of Gay and Lesbian Country Western Dance Clubs, and the IGRA (International Gay Rodeo Association) and the GSGRA (Golden State Gay Rodeo Association) :3ymca:
House of Sand and Fog is one of the most amazing movies I have ever seen and Danny Deckchair was definitely fun to watch (although it was made in Australia by Australian actors so how does that work?) and I can't wait to see Thank You for Smoking.Quote:
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Those are some pretty cool hobbies XXXWriterDude!
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Well, you mut not watch a lot of porn then. Most porn films have scripts of some kind. Admittedly, the large majority of them are about 3-4 pages long and are TERRIBLE... ;)
But there are many notable exceptions. My favorite movies are all the new Joe Gage movies coming out from Titan. Back to Barstow, 110 in Tucson, Alabama Takedown... movies that don't just tell a story; they evoke a psychological and even emotional response. Joe Gage is the MASTER of seduction. Nobody does it better than he does.
Check out flicks like There Goes the Neighborhood or The Hole or Sex Psycho or Canvas to see a lot of porn movies with decent scripts.
It's tough for most people to really nail a porn film with a script. Most porn models are terrible actors, so you really have to have a talent for working with people to get them to deliver the performances that you want. It's not easy, especially when most porn stars have no formal training. That's why most of the dialogue is so terrible; not just b/cuz the porn stars can't deliver it convincingly, but b/cuz the writers realize this and just write crap since they know it's going to get botched anyway.
I firmly believe there is a market out there for people who want decent stories in their porn. Who want to see REAL, honest seduction, not just two guys obligatorily having sex with each other. There is so little creativity in about 98% of porn today, both traditional video and on the Internet. Most porn producers simply take their audiences for granted or give them very little credit.
I lose my erection the moment that the seduction in a porn movie becomes false. If the scenario for the two men having sex is not authentic, I skip right over it. The sex itself is never what interests me, but rather HOW you get there that defines how hot it is. Other than at sex clubs or in cruisy back alleys or parks, nobody in real life can just lock eyes with a dude and start having sex. There's got to be some kind of a seduction; some kind of tension, some sense of mystery. That's what Joe Gage captures in his scripts. He doesn't make his sex easy. The models have to work for it. Hell, by the time they actually DO start having sex, I've already shot my load from the thrill of the seduction alone.
That's what a truly great porn script does. That's the kind of stuff I write. Really psychologically- and character-based scenarios about REAL people having REAL sex. :)
Actually, with both House of Sand and Fog and Danny Deckchair, the movies had already been greenlighted, and I was asked to read the scripts to suggest what kind of talent they should use to cast them. I read those scripts for CAA (Creative Arts Agency). Now I read for production companies where they actually want you to tell them whether or not it's worth producing at all. There have been a couple other scripts I read that got made, but I can't remember their titles right now. :)Quote:
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I actually didn't like House of Sand and Fog as a script, so I've still never seen the movie. I thought all the characters were horrible people. I kinda got tired of all those terribly depressing movies about life in the suburbs in which someone's kid dies at the end in order for them to learn a lesson. Those kinds of movies started getting made left and right after Ang Lee's The Ice Storm, which was a far superior movie. :)
I totally to agree with all of that man, I would love to make a move like that myself one day, REAL, honest seduction, psychological and even emotional response would be the most important things to me as well, that is once I am able to learn how to portray that properly. Its the set-up and the anticipation that makes it really hott, not just allot of cock sucking. But to be totally honest it will take quite a few steps to get there, I am sure I will have to start with these Str8 Bait stuff at first :cry:
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By the way, Mr. Man, your hobbies aren't too shabby either. I can think of about 10,000 gay men who would think you were the catch o' the year. :)Quote:
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While I agree with most of that, I thought it was a wonderful movie. Jennifer Connelly and Ben Kingsley are wonderful actors and I've always been intrigued with the I-was-a-doctor/lawyer/general-in-my-country-but-in-America-I-am-unemployable storyline, having known a lot of people like that when I lived in LA.Quote:
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I also loved Crash which had a different approach to the same immigrant subject.
There is also a wonderful book called The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini that deals with the same subject, and Ilove that these stories are finally becoming mainstream.
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I may have to check the movie out when they run it on HBO or Showtime again. I've been meaning to see it, just to see how it compared to the script. When I read it, I think Ben Kingsley was the only one attached to the project (CAA was representing him at the time). I had to say whether or not it was a good role for him to take.
Thanks Bro! Too bad everyone my age is too busy doing Meth or Crystal (or are they the same thing these days?)to do anything fun with their lives...Quote:
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Then I have you to thank for Ben Kingsley-he is amazing (not in Bloodrayne that fell short, but in Suspect Zero he was great!).Quote:
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It's starting to die down here in L.A. I see less and less profiles for that online, and I think that maybe its time as a "trendy drug" has come and gone. Just like circuit parties are starting to report problems with attendance. It's all very encouraging to me.Quote:
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Not all of us are into drugs and parties. Some of us prefer to do something with our lives. Of course, the majority of us don't look like porn stars or Abercrombie models, which is why we so many of us are still single. Seems that's all gay men care about these days -- hot bodies. Whatever happend to the '70s, when we all looked the same and we were happy? :)
Well I missed the 70's by a couple of years ('82-scorpio) so I don't know what happened to them LOL! I enjoy getting wasted (alcohol) as much as the rest of the gay community, but when it comes to relationships, I really don't think that drugs or alcohol should play a huge roll, especially during sex, i.e. pnp and poppers (yes I said it). Whatever happened to good ol natural sex?Quote:
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I still see pnp on Adam4Adam all the time down here in SD as well as G and I try not to keep track of anything else.
If you want to talk about drugs poppers are really just a joke that some gay people like, its almost like HS with that BS they just do it cuzz it trendy. I like to party sometimes too, but the LA club scene is not as lets say hard core as I am used too. G is kinds big in allot of clubs now, but I might be a bit old fashion. I like to drink about 4-6 drinks and do some coke at the club “maybe a ¼ to ½ gram or so”. X was really big in the good old days :) nothing like a club full of hott str8 guys on X. I also like to smoke some weed, pot, 420 what every ya want to call it, in fact I am getting some of that in the AM. Nothing is more relaxing than a nice joint and a good movie at the end of the day. I really dont like to do much more like Meth or Crystal or take it too far, but I do like to have a good time from time to time. That does not mean that I would go out to have sex with random people, just to party from time to time :P
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I guess I'm a real prude when compared with you besides I usually drink 4-6 drinks before I go out and at least as many shots and more drinks when I go out. I just got out of the Navy in December though so all of my friends are used to not offering me drugs and I'm used to saying no (a trend I think I'll keep). To date the best high I have ever had was the half-marathon I ran last year. Second to that it'd have to be standing on the top of the Andes and the 360 degree view.Quote:
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A lot of my friends give me sh*t about running so much, and I always say "It's better than drugs" and most people just don't understand that. Or maybe it's just a guiltless high, a pure high.
Well its just the mix of the coke and alcohol that I like, its like being really drunk and being wide awake/happy at the same time, I guess its really hard to describe. Not that I do drugs allot or even once a month, other than I do like to smoke some pot every few days or so, but I can make it fine with out it, its just something I like to do when I can.