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are you out of your mind bro your the one running around buying up all the twink content and opening a twink site so you say..Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
get a life and our own forum.
Some of is a suck to death of logging in here and reading threads and EVERYONE of them you post! Even if you have no idea what your talking about.:argue:
Is this forum bit like a IQ test or what?
For some yes :D
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Originally Posted by maxpower
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HypocracyQuote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have morals or virtues that one does not truly possess or practice. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence. The word is arguably derived from hypo- meaning under, + krinein meaning to decide/to dispute.[citation needed] A classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out some action while carrying out the same action oneself.
but... you knew that, right :D
DEVELISH
Well it goes way beyond that, but your kind on the right track I guess from what I can tell Xstr8 is winning this game so far
Sorry if i cross post this just we we seem to have 2 simalar theads going:
Justin Berry - How Old Am I?
Justin Berry had his first day in front of a court today and it seems the whole thing got him confused....queerplanet reports on how Justin Berry forgot how old he was.
http://www.queerplanet.us/moxie/news...0706-001.shtml
By queerplanet news
Posted Friday, July 14, 2006
Disclaimer: Please note that queerplanet and the author of this article in no way supports or condones individuals or groups who exploit or manipulate minors for sexual gratification. We are not supporting pedophilia or boy-love. It is part of our charter to protect young people and we have a duty of care to protect anyone we feel is being harmed. The purpose of this article is to raise issues and questions that have been made apparent by this case and hopefully to bring balance to the reporting of this story.
Justin Berry made his first ever court appearance at the hearing of Ken Gourlay today. Berry was previously meant to testify on June 17 but was hospitalized for psychological reasons.
According to an eyewitness in court today while being questioned Berry repeatedly looked at the judge and asked "How old was I?" We have previously questioned the verasity of Berry's allegations and the many inconsistencies in his timelines, but it seems he is having trouble remembering now too. We have also raised questions as to his motivations. His apparent confusion as to his age when situations occurred also extends to who he had working for him. When he was asked if he knew witness Edward Mulak, Berry responded "I knew he was a roomate of Ken's (Gourlay) thats all.", but when Mulak was on the stand he testified that he had made a masturbation video and sent it to Berry because at the time he was broke and needed money. He had been in communication with Berry online at the time. Berry is also reported to being confused when being cross examined by Howarth, repeatedly saying he didn't understand the question or asking why it was relevant.
It was also reported this week that investigators have been handed the names of the 1500 members of Berry's pornographic website.
The referrals for possible prosecution were made late last month to attorneys general in 46 states by the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. The information provided to prosecutors included names, credit card information and identifying details of the computers used to purchase monthly memberships at an illegal child pornography site.
The records were turned over to the committee by Berry who, beginning at age 13, ran a pornographic Web site featuring images of himself streamed onto the Internet through inexpensive Webcams.
Since July 2005, Berry has been cooperating with the Justice Department in an investigation of people who helped market, promote and support his Webcam business. In his congressional testimony, he criticized federal prosecutors for failing to pursue the 1,500 people who subscribed to the multiple sites he ran. Department officials responded that they were conducting an active investigation of Berry's allegations. As part of his testimony, Berry provided the subcommittee with 1,071 credit card transactions for one of his Web sites, called mexicofriends.com. Subcommittee staffers said that there were fewer subscribers in the records than transactions, because the documents included renewals and names of people who tried to sign up several times with different credit cards.
Berry also testified that in no way did his sites advertise that all models were over 18 years.We have found differently, see here: http://web.archive.org/web/200401251...cofriends.com/ bottom of the page and the line that says "THIS SITE CONTAINS NO CHILD PORNOGRAPHY OR ANY OTHER ILLEGAL CONTENT". This begs the question, on what grounds can any of these people be prosecuted when they signed up innocently, believing that they were seeing other adults. There was only one actual proven underage "performer" on Berry's site and that occurred after Berry had been in contact with the FBI and the NY Times. The only person who was deceptive here is the person that has immunity from prosecution. Berry also testified today that he had sex with a 12 year old girl in Virginia.
Questions are now being asked as to Berry's mothers' involvment in this after some new evidence has surfaced that alleges she knew all along what her son was doing. Justin's father has already been accused of allegedly paying for prostitutes for Berry's videos.
Age is the biggest factor in this case and one that affects Justin Berry the most. Was he underage? Was he legal age? That seems to change depending on what he is talking about. No wonder he is confused. The number of inconsistencies surrounding this case is growing daily and we will keep you up to date on what happens, plus an eye witness account of today's court appearance.
Why are you so worried about this guy man? Did you work with or knew about this guys sites before this CP stuff?
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Originally Posted by maxpower
http://gallery.daveycam.co.uk/d/5628-3/Bag_Head.jpg
Max, which agency do you belong too? CIA, FBI, NSA, NSC...?
No I am a Freemason :toff:
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simple. the parts of the cases that will be coming up and the desisons made will affect the industry as a whole. you have 2 cases here, the potential prosicution of members that were misled. I am not talking about going to a site that people are obviously 12 or soemthing but a person who say he is 18 but isnt and seems to look 18. Imagine the drop in memberships to your own twink sites if the public at large thought they could face 5 years in jail if YOU had a 17 year old on your site ? would they risk signing up? some will , many may not.Quote:
Why are you so worried about this guy
the other issue is the affiliates, again uptill now when i join an affiliate program I have loooke dat the siet generally, from now on I will be much more carefull, that means i may pass up many jegit affiliate program simplly because i just am not sure IF 100% are 100% jegit.
so see how this can have ripples thoughout the industry.
then ethere is a whole webcam section itself which now you have the public thinking webcams are bad evil things.
I just think its getting way over blown, they just have this one case they really care about mainly because of all the attention its getting. Personally I think it would go away faster if people stop taking about it, they are just covering their ass in public.
Max, when a decision is made in court, all future decisions on the same subject are then based off of that decision. So saying this is only "one case" is like saying the first floor of a skyscraper is only one floor and if it's there or not doesn't matter. This "one case" could really mess up a lot of people, you included.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Max, I usually read, but I never post. But I must say... you've inspired me.
"Protection of Minors" is always the excuse used to shut down adult industries. It was done to the dial-it industry in the early 1990's, and could very well be used to shut US down tomorrow.
THAT is why we are concerned about THIS case. THIS case will be used to set what is called "CASE LAW" regarding 2257, and who can be held accountable and under what circumstances.
There are many other prosecutable sites out there - as a matter of fact, last night I recieved email spam from a site featuring 4 and 5 year old children. However, an open and shut case like that does not make case law.
The Govt is using this particular case to extend its grasp of who they can prosecute and how it can be prosecuted. YOU are the one on this board probably most in danger.... first, because you are so incredibly cocky and naive - and secondly because you do run a borderline **** site.
So - Imagine this: One of your models works for you for a few years. He finds Jesus, and goes to the police and pleads immunity. He has presented you with a false ID, but turns around and said you molested and exploited him.
Even though this kid lied to you and presented you with proper documents, you are now an OFFICIAL CHILD PORNOGRAPHER, and ALL YOUR SUBSCRIBERS are now OFFICIAL PEDOPHILES WHO HAVE ENGAGED IN SEX ACTS WITH MINORS, and ALL of your RESELLERS ARE NOW OFFICIAL CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS.
And that is why we are all watching this case.... because it could happen to any of us. And what is decided here will determine the way we will dp business, or be driven out of business, and it has NOTHING to do with protecting kids, and EVERYTHING to do with the governements anti-porn crusade.
Get it now?
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WOW Shaun! You should post more often! I think you covered it! You go!
also , once they gat 1 case law established the next trick isnt to go after the BIG guys, the big guys have a lot of money and oftern attourneys on retainer, meaning a big fight for the goverment. no, they will go after the smaller guys, the 1 and 2 person owners of websites, the ones that dont have big budgets and high profile attourneys, this will help reinforce the case law before they attack the bigger guys.
now rememebr also , it seems they dont have to PROVE right away that you have soemthing illigal on your site, they mearly have to THINK that you do, if you have a twink who they THAINK looks 17, guess what, they can go get a warrent and take your computers, all of them, the servers, the ones in your home, everything. then subject them to analisis, which as I am seeing in this case isnt a rush job so if that happened dont be looking at getting them back for maybe a year or more. thats if they dont arrest you at the same time.
OK maybe i am making this all sound much worse than it is but this is what COULD very easily happen.
I am glad the guy who DID molest this Justin kid got caught and got 150 years, apparently he molested hustin at a young age and has a past conviction, good for the DOJ on that. However I dont want to see it used as a witchhunt to kill all poprn on the net or porn with anyone in who looks under 30.