The reality is that if someone has herpes on his cock, and sticks his cock in someones ass, the guy is going to get herpes on his ass. The same with any other STD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskyhunks
Why promote that?
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The reality is that if someone has herpes on his cock, and sticks his cock in someones ass, the guy is going to get herpes on his ass. The same with any other STD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskyhunks
Why promote that?
I've never seen the Gay HIV scene that way before. When I was 20 my sons mother lived with me, pregnant, and I supported her and my partner. I was planning for the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by WWC-DonMike
When I was 18 I was dating a news guy. Every weekend we would drive an hour outside Sacremento to stay with an older friend of ours who was a social worker that rented out a room to terminal AIDS patients. I got to know so many people with AIDS through him, and slowly watch them die, one by one, over the years.
So my mindset was always on the future and knowing the real consequences of HIV/AIDS and what the ultimate end is.
unsafe sex = fear
When I see bareback porn all I can think is "Are those guys dead now?" "Did they one of them have HIV/AIDS?" "Did they both know the risk?" "Did one of the guys contract HIV/AIDS?"
People will film whatever they want to film.
I guess my frustration comes with there being a viable market for bareback and viewers not having a more realistic mindset about the consequences, because if they did, bareback sex wouldn't be a turn on, it would be a turn off. My .002cents
I can completely relate to that. When I see risky behavior in porn it just makes me think those things, and it's a big turn-off. I always think "Were they really into that, or was it just the money? Am I watching them sell their health and future?" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
We had a similar experience, Squirt. My first job out of college was being a recording engineer at a gay owned and operated phone sex company. The owner started the company with a bunch of his friends and most of them were of the first and second wave of HIV/AIDS. We had the best medical plan there was, and everyone there was healthy, yet the fact that most of them were positive was never ignored. I was very closted and repressed when I got the job and the family atmosphere there was what helped me ultimately come out. So I was lucky to be in my mid 20's and coming into my sexuality with the knowledge of what HIV was, what the latest medical news was, and also to be close with many people who were living with it. And sadly, to know people who have died from it. I'll never forget one very handsome man who had a lot of guys after him, played around a lot and enjoyed himself like a lot of gay men, who was there one day, took a leave of absence due to illness and within a month was dead. The sad truth is that I think of him every time I see bareback porn and it really depresses me.
Then again, I eat fatty foods, drink too much coffee and don't excersize. If I don't change my ways soon I, myself, am knowingly heading towards an early grave. We all take risks.
I have models who are positive. I could care less if they want to bareback, or not. This isn't their production. This isn't a dating service or a hook up service for them. This is my company. The content I film of the models is a reflection of my business and also of me. In no way would we EVER allow anyone who is positive to bareback. That's just asking for nothing but trouble. It also makes you, the producer, legally liable should your other performers contract HIV while filming on your set or for your company. What they do on their own time is their business. Once you are paying them, filming them and marketing them, they become a "product". They become YOUR "product".
Put it this way: If you owned a McDonalds, would you allow someone to buy an uncooked hamburger because that's how they like to eat them? Would you allow uncooked chicken crawlign with solmonella to go out to a customer? No. There are too many health risks involved. Someone could die.
The same can be said here. Bareback sex, although we as a company are against it, is still a main niche in this business, both straight and gay. Bareback sex with someone who is HIV positive... that's just insane.
This question is quite possibly the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard, and I caution you to put a condom on that boy and his partners wen you are filming.
My two cents.
Rocky
Haha, words of wisdom from rocky, make sure you cook your chicken before you eat it.
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
Yup, that's me! Just some ole coot on top of a mountain dispensing nuggets of knowledge!
:-P
Rocky
Ok I have a couple problems with this. How can HIV positive and negative performers do anything completely safe together? HIV really CAN be transmitted orally, no matter how small the risk. Does that mean performers should be wearing condoms during oral scenes? What if a condom breaks? That DOES happen! Obviously there is no black and white here, and the grey area is dangerous and impossible to navigate safely. There really don't seem to be any good answers here.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeachBoi_Rocky
I have much respect for hardcore producers on many levels, but threads like this just reinforce my strong favoritism toward solo productions as a more "wholesome" and guilt-free form of fantasy indulging adult entertainment.
And as far as irresponsible, I think HH is anything BUT! He put it out there, asked for opinions and advice, let it be known he was taking these decisions extremely seriously and weighing every facet of this issue. I can't understand why you or anyone else wouldn't commend him for discussing this openly and honestly.
I like the point you just made SLS, safe sex is not risk free. Oral sex can still subject a person to the virus especially if it's rough but no one really has any objections to that. I know alot of guys that think I'm nuts because on the occasion, I will suck a dick without a condom. They use condoms when they recieve oral sex, they believe that it's just as risky as unprotected anal sex. I guess it's all about personal beliefs and the risks that are acceptable on a personal level.
I'm still around because I practice relatively safe sex if you consider oral sex without a condom every now and then. I never for one second thought I would film a person getting gang banged without condoms. I just had to know why bareback sex is so popular now on film. Active Duty is now doing it. Sean Cody, all these really big names in our industry.
Have any webmasters actually written to these webmasters to stop because all I've really seen is people who promote them. If you promote it, then how can you condemn it at the same time.
we have a member of this board who got hiv through oral sex. i used to slap a condom on a guy before i'd touch his dick with anything but my hand. if he didn't like it, no problem! i moved on - the world is full of guys and gals i thought would make good playmates ;)
Would they be... Mc Nuggets? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by BeachBoi_Rocky
Regards,
Lee
I often think about that as well, particularly when I'm looking at vintage (pre-condom) porn. It would be interesting to try and track down some of the guys from the old YMAC or Falcon stuff from the 80s and see how many of them are still around, how many of them lost friends to HIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
I don't mean this to be offensive, but I honestly think that anyone who is aroused watching guys (often really young guys, 18, 19) risk their lives by shooting bareback porn and seeing them potentially killing themselves right then and there really needs to think about what's going on in their (the viewer's) psyche. It certainly doesn't seem like healthy emotional development to me. It really *isn't* any different than watching guys play russian roulette, except that you don't get to see the outcome.
People will film whatever they want to film. Models will or will not use protection off camera. No one should restrict free speech and prevent the filming of bareback, nor should anyone try to prohibit consenting adults from making informed decisions to engage in risky behaviors.
But as Trevor said, we can send a positive message that might help people to learn more and make wiser decisions. We can avoid sending messages that could have a negative effect. We can choose to enhance our relationships with companies, models and individuals that have chosen to be part of the solution.
And maybe, by doing this, each of us in our tiny individual way can make a difference as a whole.
Holy crap its on in here.
AIDS from oral sex????!?!?! for real? I thought that wasnt possible.
With one exception (made with all parties aware of the situation and given time to research and consider the risks) we've never allowed anyone who was HIV positive to shoot content for us period. In that one case, we were careful to do everything reasonably possible to keep the negative model safe. And I doubt that's an exception we'd make again... we were in a different place, with a different constellation of partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeachBoi_Rocky
That may be overly cautious, but as Basschick said, there are risks that appear to be greater than once thought about oral transmission of HIV, and something as simple as a model getting cum in their eye could mean that model becoming HIV positive. And no amount of cash is worth a model risking getting HIV (and no amount of sales would make me feel OK if one of our models got HIV.)
There's no possible way to make barebacking safe, since seroconversion often takes more than 90 days and a model could be testing negative and infecting people during that entire time period. This is something that seems to conveniently elude all of the people talking about how it can be made safe. As Rocky said, it's foolish, both from a personal and from a business perspective, to put your models at risk.
But as somebody else said, rarely do you get people with strongly held positions to change them, so perhaps I should just shut up :)
So Boyfunk,
That means that your models having oral sex, that risk is acceptable to you because there is a risk that one of your boys could have gotten infected in that photoshoot.