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Originally Posted by Squirt
When people share their stories and say things like "I've had friends who have been effected" they are not moralizing. They are sharing why they feel people should be responsible from their own experience. Just like I tell my son stories of my mistakes so he'll learn. It's what human beings do.
Hopefully, however, you give your son the information that you feel he needs to make an informed decision, yet you realize that your son needs to learn by making his own mistakes. THAT is actually what human beings do.
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In all 8 pages of this thread I haven't seen ANYONE say that porn should be censored. People have said they don't like the fact there is a market for this, or don't want to be a part of it, etc.
Granted. Not all of my posts were specific to this thread, though. This issue is one that divides the entire community, and I was admittedly tossing a lot of stuff in there for consideration. There are people who do say it shouldn't be made at all, and I actually think it was implied a few times during this thread.
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When you put censorship and moralizing together with an opinion that differs from your own, you're vilifying those that don't share your opinion.
Yes, but my opinion is the RIGHT one. LOL! :)
And after your entirely inappropriate tirades and personal attacks against Lee earlier, I really don't think you have any place to go around telling other people that they're vilifying people for not sharing their opinions. In other words, "Hello, kettle, you're fucking BLACK!" ;)
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I learned to jack off by watching the movie Footloose. The part where Kevin Bacon is in the cafeteria, and says to his friend "So what you been doing?" and the other guy replied by making a jack off motion.. then I realized what that was, and couldn't wait to get home and try it, and I did, and it was great!
Same here, but I learned it through Fast Times at Ridgemont High (hello Judd Nelson!) and Risky Business (Mr. Cruise)! Oh, those were the days, back when just the implication of masturbation was the hottest thing ever! :)
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What entertainment puts out in the real world directly affects what people do. Young, impressionable people, model their behaviors by what they experience in person, and are fed by the media (including entertainment).
EXACTLY what I've been saying all along, in regard to not only barebacking, but, ahem, the whole straight niche. :)
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Older, more experienced people, try something new based on what they see because it's not something they have experienced, because if it's in media it's ok now, and for a large number of other reasons. A large part of Gay acceptance, and condemnation, has been because of the media & entertainment. Look at Oprah, her entertainment, does she affect peoples lives?
"Older, more experienced people" would probably never bareback because they saw it in a bareback video. As for the young ones, well, hopefully they are smart enough to know better.
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You contradict yourself when you say that what we all do isn't proactive, and that bareback videos need this, and that, before the movie to educate people before watching a bareback film. Along the same lines of logic all movies that have violence, smoking, etc. should have the same education before a film. In fact.. your new ideas of being proactive are you moralizing what others should do... the very thing you're against. Yet you brush off those of us who are for condemn only fucking as not being pro active.
Oh, come on, Squirt. You're SERIOUSLY grasping for straws just to be argumentative on this point, and you know it. A disclaimer before a movie that says "The following movie contains images of violence that may not be suitable for all audiences" is not moralizing. It's giving the viewers an option. Educating is not moralizing if you're doing it right. And I'm sure the MPAA would love the idea of putting messages before films like Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction, but that's what the "R" rating is for in the first place, to let people know that there are things that may not be suitable for children.
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You talk about censorship and people not being filmed smoking, or bungee jumping, etc. What you fail to consider is that sex is a different beast, real sex, with real consequences, not only for the models, and their lovers/family/children, but the producers as well. Filming smoking... well... their is a filter on the cigarette. Filming bungee jumping.. well... there's a rope tied to their feet to stop them from dying. Filming bareback.. there is NO protection.
Except EDUCATION! That's the whole point of my thread!
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The world is not an anarchy. Porn is not anarchy. If we don't govern ourselves, we will be governed. If we don't protect our models, we will be forced to protect them. It's human decency. Why disregard the safety of others to make a quick buck?
Porn absolutely, positively IS anarchy, or at least a form of liberation for those of us who are trying to get away from the increasingly fundamental values of this Judeo-Christian society. Porn is a way of accepting our sexuality and giving it validation. When that flies in the face of the prevailing attitudes of the nation, is IS anarchy.
But you're right about one thing. It IS up to us to police ourselves. But it's also up to each one of us HOW we choose to police ourselves. That's what I have to say about it anyway. Disagree all you want. You're entitled. :)