http://www.boyslightsout.com
A seriously fucked up site IMHO.
I cant understand why any processor would be willing to process for such a site.
Regards,
Lee
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http://www.boyslightsout.com
A seriously fucked up site IMHO.
I cant understand why any processor would be willing to process for such a site.
Regards,
Lee
Verotel has always taken too many risks. I wouldn't feel comfortable using them as a CC processor for just this reason,
Btw, I didn't even click the link to see the site... I don't want crap like that anywhere on my harddrive.
Wow! I'm stunned this one got through.
I dont know but this site didn't shock me, as opposed to seeing some of the other rape sites out there this one is tame.
Not sure how i feel about it, I think not seeing blood and knowing the models are, hopefully, doing it by agreenment
Then who and where is the line drawn at bareback (bug chasers, hiv glorifying), S&M, some if heavy and brutal by a lot of people's standarts. Watersports. Some of the rougher hardcore out there with gaging....
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That site is sick and stupid, shame on Verotel, what the hell are they thinking? Site's that depict violent assault and/or rape should violate their TOS, or are they just money hungry assholes? Domains by proxy sucks too, they should have some kind of standards as well.
I'm disgusted.
i, also, didn't click the link, but i see a lot of sites processed by verotel that other processers wouldn't touch. btw, how do you know the content on a rape site isn't real? the answer is unless they show the model afterwards talking and laughing about it, you don't. so if you promote a rape site, you could unknowingly promote real rape. i wouldn't touch it!
the REALLY scary part is that verotel cracked down on their extreme sites over a year ago and this one was allowed to stay!!!
Oh, I just clicked the link and it is no longer online, could be just a temp thing or maybe someone got them shut???
cheers,
Luke
I guess the site was only offline for a minute, I tried again and got into it and the first thing I noticed was a big disclaimer:no doubt that is how they are able to keep their billingQuote:
The following samples depict consentual roleplaying.
The models are professional actors.
Please do not try this at home.
cheers,
Luke
without seeing the content i don't think anyone knows.
but then how do we know girls or guys in porn weren't tricked into it with empty promices and lies.
doesn't seem like an extreme site to me, on the outside at least, seen much much worse.
There are people who fantasize about this thing, just as there are people who like S&M.
Im much more concerned with the below 18 looking models that process with Verotel and other processors than this
Hmmm...Maybe The Processor Didn't Know What Kind Of A Site They Were...Not!:)
I Actually Was Not "Affronted" All The "Violent-Graphics" These Particular "Theme" Sites Have , The Site Had All The Legal Disclaimers And Presented As A Visual Fantasy Notices.
I Give The Webmaster "Merit" For "Presentation" , It Will Be A "hard-Sell" Though , I Don't See Too Many "Sponsers/Affiliates/Etc" Jumping On The Bandwagon Too Quickly , Nor Do I See To Many Members Signing Up Imediately For Fear Of Prosecution!
I Do Not Condone "Rape" So Keep Your Hate/Heat To Yourself! :bomb:
Sincerely ~ ...Welcome To The Adult "Entertainment" Industry!... :francais:
A number of Rape sites use CCBill as well like
GAYHITCHHIKER.COM
Just do a search under CCBill Rape and see all the sites http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=ccbill+rape
Paycom and Jettis process for some rape sites as well. Example:
http://b-d-s-m.org/bdsm-rape.html
http://b-d-s-m.org/rape-bdsm.html
http://b-d-s-m.org/bondage-rape.html
http://b-d-s-m.org/rape-and-bondage.html
http://b-d-s-m.org/femdom-rape.html
Am I missing something here?
Everyone here says freedom of speech is our right. We all rally behind Extreme Associates ( rape porn ) for their free speech rights.
Visa processes for Extreme Associates, why can't Visa process for a Gay porn rape site?
Did anyone take the time to read the extensive disclaimer on the front page of the site?
"8. All models/ actresses and actors whose images appear on this site are over the age of 18, have consented being photographed and/or filmed, have signed model release and provided proof of age."
I'm not into S&M , rape porn, or a number of other legal sex niches but as long as they aren't breaking the law then they have a right to exist and make money.
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Originally Posted by jIgG
I agree.
This site is tame too. I've seen S&M sites with all the processors that are much more graphic and disgusting then this.
I just wonder why Lee & Xstr8guy are singling Verotel out when they know all processors process this stuff, whether the processor knows it or not. All they had to do was Google the term and the processor name to see everyone breaking the rules.
out of curiousity I just subscribed to the site. Lame. At the opening of every video the "actors" say "we are paid professional actors. Don't do this at home"
lame
It's a boring site...
What's the whole fuss about it? Do you all suddenly have standards? I mean, some people might get offended by a guy showing his cock, some might get offended by JACKASS and even if these people were not professional actors, who the fuck says that they don't enjoy what they do (ofcourseif they were not forced into it - but many people get forced into mainstream porn)
Just stop moralizing....
This site is nothing to get so fussy about.... There's lots more of pre-teen (like 7 or 8 years old) sites that's I'd be more worried about...
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE SICK STUFF:
http://mds.dark-coll.com/portal/11/dcr/
Yeah and it's $33 a month for 6 vidoes on the site. Needless to say I wont be paying that for the 6 movies they provide in their members section, which aren't even downloadable! Total rip off.Quote:
Originally Posted by dalimili
I think the people moralizing are funny because legal is legal. All these comments and I'm the only one who chose to comment on experience of subscribing to the actual site. Interesting.
how do you know those are actors or people having a good time instead of an actual rape?
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Originally Posted by dalimili
LOL!
I mean come on .. knocked out with a pulsating boner?
I think not.
If it's role play, I don't see the problem.
But then I live in a world where play rape, breath play, blood letting and other various kinks are played out in a controlled environment. It is sometimes an amusement, when what I do what I do, is shocking and extream to a large percentage of adult webmasters, who produce some pretty nasty stuff.
I really don't see much of a difference between a site like this .. and the ones that get "straight" guys to blow another guy, or even glory hole sites. Where would we be without our base fantasies? We'd all be selling our household junk on E Bay.
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Originally Posted by basschick
Well I don't know.. but is it hard to believe that people do have this kind of fetishes? I mean what's the difference between SM and this???
I prefer to believe they are actors.... Just as much as I prefer to believe that boys on "barely legal boys" sites, are not forced also....
Where the problem lies for me and this site is it's depiction of rape and violence. While I understand "all the models are actors" and have given their consent, the site's basic message is: forcing people to have sex with you against their will is really hot.
And you know what, it is. When some hot Sir is ramming his cock down your throat, or paddling you ass, or maybe a couple of his boys are holding you down while he fucks your ass, it can be very hot. And maybe he'll even threaten to butt out his cigar in my ass cheek. But I also know that I can say "safeword" and the entire scene comes to a grinding hault. Instantly. Without question. Unequivocably. It stops NOW.
Now according to the implications in the disclaimers the models on this site could have stopped the action any time they wanted. But we don't really know for sure. And that's the problem.
If I negotiate a rape scene with someone, I could say: Okay, so I'm going to be walking in this park and you'll track me and then jump me. You can slap me, hit me, hold me, restrain me. You can't do anything that will leave a mark because my boyfriend doesn't know I do this. You can threaten me with knives or guns. You can call me any name you want. You can spit or piss on me, but do not draw any blood intentionally. During the rape scene you can make me suck your cock, eat your ass, you can fuck my ass, but you have to use a condom. You can physically restrain me with handcuffs or duct tape for the scene, but you must remove them before you leave the scene. I really like it when a guy grabs my face in their hand and gets right in there and talks nasty to me and then forces me to kiss them deep. Now if things are getting too intense, I'm going to say, "Cincinnati" this means back off, whatever you're doing is getting a bit close to my limits. It doesn't mean stop spanking me, it means lighten up a bit. Now, when I saw "Cleveland" that means I've had enough and I really want you to stop. Are we clear on the rules? Okay. I'll be in that park yonder at 9:30 pm.
Great. The scene is set. I get raped, I blow my load, a fun time is had by all. But at any given moment, all participants in this scene knew it could stop at any time, they knew where the line was. Now imagine one of you happening along this scene, I would hope you would try to help me because to you it would look like I was being mugged and raped. You didn't have the benefit of all of the information I just laid out above.
And the same goes for a website. We don't know what the models did and didn't negotiate. And that's where the waters start to muddy. And there are certainly a lot of uneducated surfers out there (and I mean uneducated in the ways of S&M) who won't understand all the stuff that goes into getting a scene like this set up. I think we need to hold the line on this one, I don't think we can presume that all people will be correct and mature enough to negotiate proper conditions in the real world.
dzinerbear
Instead of talking about "would haves" or "could haves" let's talk about what I saw after I subscribed to the site. A disclaimer before every clip saying they are paid actors working in a fantasy role. Before EVERY CLIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
there are no "muddied waters" here with this site. It's a rip off site with 6 videos total, disclaimers before every clip and $33 a month. Nothing more, nothing less.
"And the same goes for a website. We don't know what the models did and didn't negotiate. And that's where the waters start to muddy. And there are certainly a lot of uneducated surfers out there (and I mean uneducated in the ways of S&M) who won't understand all the stuff that goes into getting a scene like this set up. I think we need to hold the line on this one..."
Right. Subscribe to the site like I did then give your opinion. Anything else is speaking from ignorance. Why you all judge a site you haven't subscribed to is beyond me. Why? Why act like you all know about a site without subscribing. You don't. And judging something you haven't subscribe to? Please!
Does the casual surfer just breezing by get to see those disclaimers? Or do you have to buy a membership to see them?
dzinerbear said:
You didn't have the benefit of all of the information I just laid out above.
I was thinking .. it's not a bad thing .. most times ...
My roy is a member of a BDSM paysite that has a nice extra touch to it. They film, as a part of the video, the after care. I am thinking I might add that to any and all scenes filmed at our upcomming event.
BDSM 101:
In BDSM there is a time after the scene called After Care. It's the time when Top and bottom come down from space and check for signs of harm both physical and mental. For some, a special bonding time.
It can be as simple as my standard aftercare .. How you doing slut, need a glass of water? Or a long drawn out affair, that sometimes segues into more fun for all.
Lord love a duck! I wish I had a dollar for every man ever told me his rape fantsies .. I'd go back to being a HouseWife.
Well seems everyone is judging a book by it's cover here and saying they wouldn't use Verotel becuase they're processing for a rape site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
The reality is it's a site that has a disclaimer, spoken by the models, before every clip. So what the surfer sees before, or after, subscribing doesn't matter when you're crusifying the Processor for something you don't know about.
Why am I the only one who decided to subscribe to the site before giving an "informed" opinion?
From now on subscribe to a site before crusifying the site or the processor, otherwise you are speaking from pure ignorance! :high:
Subscribe to the site and also read the disclaimer on the front page.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Pretty basic. I love you Basschick so don't take this personally. There is no kiss emoticaon so *kiss* :high:
Remind us again Squirt, which processor do you use on your paysite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Regards,
Lee
Female webmasters had a similar thread a year or two back where we were not impressed with the drunk women sites. It all comes down to the text they use which implies without a doubt what they mean the site to be.
Its not so much about trying to figure out if its consentual (of course I agree with all the above posts that its worth the extra effort for a scene afterwards) but it is offensive that the text is not consentual. The text makes it all seem real. That they really to cloroform men and get women drunk in order to have their way with them unconsentually. If thats a word ha ha ha.
I guess as long as there are warnings, it would be impossible to ensure that every video really was consentual. I think the processors are doing a good job of freedom of speach.
Note that these stories have existed since the beginning of the net, stories about rape male or female. No one took offense till the pictures/tours were added.
I am not so sure the board owners should allow that link to child porn. I did click it and I am sure there isnt a person here that would defend the right for that site to exist.
:huh:
That's great that the models are on camera giving their consent. But you have to buy a membership to see that. So a normal site converts what? 1:120, 1:300, 1:800, 1:1500? What impression is being left with those people who didn't see the disclaimer on film? That's the problem.
dzinerbear
My 2 cents:
I think that Dzinerbear and Squirt both make very good points.
Personally, I don't want to give $33 to a webmaster that has a site that's an obvious ripoff in order to be able to offer my view on what's in the member's area.
And so I can't speak to the content that's actually inside. But I CAN speak to what's outside. Sorry, but I believe, like Dzinerbear, that many people will misinterpret it and use it to fuel an unhealthy fantasy. There's already enough problems out here with GHB and its use as a "date rape" drug... without people seeing things like this to validate what they're doing.
As for the disclaimer at the beginning of the video? Not enough in my book. If there was something at the end of each clip where the models said "Everything that happened in this video was done with my knowledge and advance consent, and I consider it safe and OK for me" then MAYBE it would start to be OK. But otherwise, it would be very easy for the producer, if he's enough of a sleazebag, to get one of the models to agree to one thing and get that on tape, and then arrange with the other model to do something far more intense or unpleasant once the cameras are rolling. I don't need to see the videos to understand that.
And that still doesn't address the notion of glorifying a very unhealthy and inappropriate fantasy.
If Verotel were to cut this guy, I'd say more power to them.
I use Verotel. I've said it here many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
The point isn't which site squirtit.com uses for processing. The point of this thread that YOU MADE was:
"A seriously fucked up site IMHO.
I cant understand why any processor would be willing to process for such a site.
Regards,
Lee"
Well had you subscribed to the site you'd realize how ignorant you sounded when every clip has a disclaimer, not to mention the home page.
You said: "I cant understand why any processor would be willing to process for such a site." and the answer is: The site has a discaimer on the front page, and a disclaimer before every clip, spoken by the models.
I use Verotel because they have low rates and pay on time period. If you are questioning the integrity of my site then subscribe and tell us how it compares to a fantasy rape site.
Then I'll tell you my impressions of your MILF site.
Well so far there has been some interesting feedback on this site.
Just stepping back from the 'fake rape' scenario for a moment....
What if this was a 'fake cp' site, as long as it had all the 'legal disclaimers' would that be okay for Verotel to process in everyones eyes who is defending them and the site in question right now?
Regards,
Lee
I believe it's DILF.
Either way we dont own it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
Regards,
Lee
The disclaimer is also in writing on the front page of the site. I've already posted that in this thread. "8. All models/ actresses and actors whose images appear on this site are over the age of 18, have consented being photographed and/or filmed, have signed model release and provided proof of age."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
Fuck Verotel and this site should fucking pay me for defending them. This is so childish and your argument isn't valid when everywhere you turn on this site, and in it's content, there are both written, verbal and visual disclaimers. Of course a processor is going to process with a site like this that has disclaimers at every end.
And what about the Paycom and CCBill rape sites? Funny how you all forget about them. :high:
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Originally Posted by Lee
You don't own DILF? European Lee = Lee. Gary Alan + Lee = Studmoney
Studmoney owns Dilf. So you incorporatated You still own DILF.
"Once Rated Hot's little get together wound down, we whisked Gary-Alan, European Lee, Kath and Burtros, EC Steve, Tev and Monique/Afrekete off to dinner. Very exciting to all of us that Gary has just opened Stud Money, home of the very powerful, just released DILF. "
link to full story
Why is honesty & integrity around here like pulliing fucking teeth?
Oh im sorry a press release dated 2 years ago must still have current information in it LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
For the record, we dont own DILF, Stud Money or any of those sites and havent done so for about 18 months ;)
Regards,
Lee
Speaking of CCBIll processing for those types of sites, i can honestly say ive never seen a fake rape site processed by CCBill however, it has to be said that they shouldnt, IMHO, be processing for sites that pander to the CP crowd uch as this one..
http://www.emily18.com
The chick is over 18, i mean they have all the legal disclaimers and everything in place, right? The fact tey make her look like a 12 year has nothing to do with anything i presume?
Regards,
Lee
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Originally Posted by Lee
As I stated previously... you would see rape sites processed by CCBill if you did the search and looked at the sites like I did:
"Just do a search under CCBill Rape and see all the sites http://www.google.com/search?source...n&q=ccbill+rape"
Regarding DILF... you made the site the way you did.. and yes you incoporating technically means you don't own the sites.. the corporation does. Why even go into semantics about it? I have guests over. I'll pick this up in the morning.
once again, squirt - a disclaimer can easily be a lie. anyone who does basic html can claim people are any age or state of mind they want. it doesn't make it so.
there was a rather large site at one time with a disclaimer that is standard on nude under-18 sites. it explains the legality of art nudes. the weird thing about this one site, though - the girls weren't under 18. the guys looking for nude minors knew what that disclaimer meant, and they joined thinking the models were underage based on the disclaimer.
Squirt, you seem to be missing my point completely, we have NOTHING to do with any of those sites anymore and havent had for going on 18 months, yes we did own them at one time however, we no longer do and again, control NOTHING that happens over there, they are now owned by someone else that has nothing to do with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
I hope that clears your error up for you :)
Regards,
Lee
Well sweetheart like I said.. at the beginning of every clip, spoken by the models in the clip, showing them speak the disclaimer. So yeah.. how do we know that the disclaimer is correct? Maybe because the people being raped and doing the raping claim on video they are paid to do it and tell you not to do it at home? Of course we can always fall back on the written disclaimer :high:Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick