2257 and the Media

I am wondering why you do not see anything about the 2257 in mainstream media? Is this because they do not know about this? I am going to hope that is why..I think we should all call to let them know that this is a very important story and the people need to know about this. It is going to put many people out of jobs in this country thus fucking with the unemployment rate and the economy (more!)

I believe people would want to know that we are being targeted by our goverment. We are tax paying citizens and we do follow the law and we are against child porn ( and this law has nothing to do with that!)

Please lets all make calls to the media in our cities and get this out there. lets not rollover and play dead!

Do I sound like a crazy freak?? I swear I am not!

Buck

I've been wondering the same thing, but here's the reasons I believe it's not picked up by the mainstream media.

-The rules are too complicated to spell out in a soundbite.
-The number of webmasters involved is too small to be significant.
-Most people, even porn fans, believe that porn is already illegal.
-We're all too busy trying to save our own asses that we literally don't have time to put out press releases to the media.
-Publication schedules of magazines takes about 3 months to hit the stands.
-Media doesn't do investigative reporting anymore. If it's not shoved down their throats by publicists, they miss it.
-Rule of thumb in news, "If it bleeds, it leads." Until 2257 involves a controversial celebrity or dramatic video footage with a white Bronco, it won't get airplay.

We as an industry haven't taken a stand yet. We have rolled over and played dead for the DOJ. Not one company has come forward to fight this in court. Thus, you have no news to cover. Until there is an actual case, I doubt there's going to be any media covering it.

I cleaned up the front end on my site. That's all I'm doing. If I'm not compliant then I will see them in court. I've got alot to say on the matter and I'm not going to back down to the DOJ. If they want a fight, then that's what they've got.

On some of the surfer boards that I belong to, people are only just now finding out about it because their favorite sites are going down or disappearing or removing personals or whatever.

They're freaking out.

They're all saying "What can we do?" or "Is this legeslation presently before congress?" and I'm saying "Nothing" and "No.. you're too late..it's alreayd passed and you're screwed.

Greetings:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,...w=wn_tophead_2

Ok I do understand all that but if we just say that is the case and not even try to get the media involved then they are getting their way.

It is true people have no idea this is happening who are not in the adult business. I am sure they would want to know! So many jobs are going to be lost now. I hope a shit load of people go on unemployment so they can see what they are doing.

I believe it is an important story and I am getting it out to all the media that I can now. I know I am just a little fish in the big sea but this is so fucking scary. We live in Nazi Germany!

I also think the big companies arn't really fighting because they know that they are not going to be the target as much as the small guys.

Thanks for reading my post and responding I appreciate the feedback!

Buck

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Originally Posted by Buck Angel

I also think the big companies arn't really fighting because they know that they are not going to be the target as much as the small guys.

Buck

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I think you hit the nail right on the head. I believe that larger companies want to see these new regulations enforced. It would be a great way to eliminate alot of the competition from smaller webmasters. I think that's why you never see the "big boys" on the boards. Oh well, welcome to the new america. It is getting unnerving to see this new holy crusade developing.

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Originally Posted by Huskyhunks

I think you hit the nail right on the head. I believe that larger companies want to see these new regulations enforced. It would be a great way to eliminate alot of the competition from smaller webmasters. I think that's why you never see the "big boys" on the boards.

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Well in that case, then just apply the rules of economics. What would happen is a black market appearing to fullfill the demand for adult entertainment.

Steve

i saw an article on the front page of cnn the day the new 2257 was passed, and the day after. you don't usually see things in the news after they're new - to the rest of the world, this law protects children, and they've moved on.

I was thinking about that too. If there is going to be a vacuum effect, it will be very short lived. Foreign webmasters are probably going to fill that void very quickly. I don't blame them, I would too.

buck, i agree with a lot of what you say, but i believe involving the media is a two-edged sword. their job is to sell papers or advertising, and more people get involved with a sensational story than the facts.

i picture the media getting involved by saying the porn industry is upset with a law made to protect children. the fact that there was an existing law in place was not really mentioned in the articles i saw, so the media isn't really interested in playing up that side of things so far.

First of all, the news media is never going to be pro-porn. Nor will they cover any story that makes porn look anything but a bad thing.

A study recently found that when guys look at porn involving a man and a woman it triggers something in the brain that signals that there is competition around and sperm counts go up. With all of the couples out there who have trouble conceiving, this should have been in the news.

Then there's the virtual CP case from awhile ago. The mainstream media never stopped to tell American's exactly what virtual CP was. They just implied that the adult industry wanted to make a certain type of CP legal.

2257 is the same thing. It's there to keep ****'s from filming kids. Common sense says it doesn't accomplish that, but the media will report that the adult industry is attempting to remove CP safeguards.

I have to agree with Basschick on this. The media is not what it once was, heck if it even was news. I mean let's be honest, the news today isn't about facts or honest reporting of events, but about selling advertising. The reports are geared towards sensationalism and if you want to see violence, to see lewd conduct turn to the news, not the television programs.

I will get keel hauled for saying it but just look at how the media handled the Clinton crap. Too many still believe it was about Clinton having sex, when in reality the issue was that he lied under oath. No one cared about that distinction because the media spun it as republicans out to get clinton for being a sex pervert. That is what sold the media. It is what drives them even more so today.

News is supposed to be about factual reporting of events, not the spin that is todays news media. CNN won't talk about rights of privacy, right to free speech but instead, as Basschick points out, how we are somehow opposed to protecting children.

You are correct Buck, this is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and the selling job they did to gain absolute power over the nation. By finding a button and hammering it home they gained total power, because who would oppose them? The media is not on the side of truth, but on what sells... and if it wasn't, you would never have the likes of George Bush as President nor the many right wing fanatics holding such power as they currently do.

You wouldn't have Presidential Candidates afraid to discuss rights for all as you did with John Kerry who waffled so much on same sex marraige that in the absence of any choice people either stayed home or voted for Bush... because the Media made same sex marraige an issue of sexual orientation, not of equal civil rights and no one wanted to fight the power of the press.

If the adult industry only had a decent PR but when so many within the industry itself considers what they do as dirty, kind of hard to put forward a different face. People for whatever reason equate porn with something dirty, something evil and until that gets changed, I sure wouldnt want the media taking up the case. To me, if anything is truly dirty it is how they so carelessly deal with the truth.

Just me ranting again.
Ian

Publicly, everyone hates porn and no one except the most liberal free-speech advocate will defend it. Privately, most everyone loves porn.

48 Hours Mystery had a show this week about a fine wholesome christian husband that killed his wife and child. They managed to blame the murders on his addiction to internet porn. Before a commercial break they had a blurb that said "Are you or is someone you know addicted to porn? Call 555-5555 for help." GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

Maybe if we all pulled our sites offline on the 23rd people would take notice. ;)

You forget that over seas there is plenty of porn produced and they are having HARD ON FOR THE NEW U-S-A- 2257 REGS!!

You think that honry consumers care if they are supporting USA based porn - no , just as long as they get to bust a nut!!!!!!!

WAKE UP EVERYONE!!

Lee
An unhappy American!

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You forget that over seas there is plenty of porn produced and they are having HARD ON FOR THE NEW U-S-A- 2257 REGS!!

You think that honry consumers care if they are supporting USA based porn - no , just as long as they get to bust a nut!!!!!!!

WAKE UP EVERYONE!!

Lee
An unhappy American!

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Not every porn niche has complete global saturation. Sure, the guys that are into twinks will have plenty of non-US options. But the guys that want to see husky men are gonna be pretty pissed if huskyhunks.com disappears. Multiply that by 1000 under-represented niches and you will have millions of pissed off people that can't find what they want.

Global competition...once they understand that there is money to be made I think that they will be able to fine plenty of fats slobs with bear...sorry beer bellies to show off and fuck for the cameras...perhaps they had just not been motivated yet...well they soon will be...June 23!!

Stay tuned!!

Lee

Fuck off you dumb spick trash. At least I have supporters of my site. Take your sad little thugarama somewhere else. Lee, sorry but this little shit ain't gettin' away with this :whip:

Hey no problem...I was just making a point girlfriend...there are pleanty of Central and South American sites ready to feast on my bones...I am gonna be picked clean...I was trying to show that ALL OF US AMERICAN WEBMASTERS ARE GOING TO BE FUCKED...sorry if I was misunderstood in my statements.

Lee

Wow! I didn't mean to start a feud with my comment. All I meant by my observation was that if someone doesn't understand the niche, they will never make a site that will fool the true fetish lover. I'd like to see someone from one of those former USSR countries attempt a husky bear site. It would be hilarious. ;)

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Originally Posted by desslock

Well in that case, then just apply the rules of economics. What would happen is a black market appearing to fullfill the demand for adult entertainment.

Steve

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You're right.. and the black market would be run overseas for sure

BTW It's so nice to see your face Steve! :-)

Thank you Squirt!

This whole 2257 thing has sure brought out some bizarre undercurrents from people. When I first read the news I would not have thought that people would be presenting so many conspiratorial theories as to who benefits and who suffers.

The 2257 law is something that Congress passed in 1989, and via the horribly inefficient and unweildy federal legal process it is only, sixteen years later, being presented as an enforcable rule. (first i think that speaks well to the efficiency of the federal gov't) I would say that it is impossible to know now who will ultimately benefit from just the announcement of the new 2257 regs.

My point was that even if the government tries to stop a commerical activity where there is a demand, the black market economy will appear to meet the demand. Even in the United States. I'd say that plenty of people in the US make money from internet gambling.... it's just all off the books.

If the government raised the minimum wage to $10/hour - people would still be paying others to work for them for $6.50/hr --- it would be under the table. Government can exercise moral decisions by passing laws to stop porn or enforce workplace standards or living wages, but the amoral market always prevails.

Steve

just read the title if you want to see how the news media treats you. this story, btw, was on yahoo and several others news sites. it sure makes us look bad - as usual.

has anyone ever considered that what we really need is to band together and hire a publicist?

"Porn Industry Sues To Prevent New Child Porn Rules
Regulations Require Pornographers To Keep Records Of Performers

POSTED: 11:20 am MDT June 17, 2005
UPDATED: 11:42 am MDT June 17, 2005

DENVER -- A coalition representing the porn industry asked a federal court Thursday to block new regulations requiring pornographers and distributors to maintain records of their performers, arguing the rules could stop the distribution of material produced since 1992.

The regulations, which were approved by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in May, requires producers to keep detailed information that verify the identify and age of their performers, including their date of birth, legal name, and copy of a picture identification card. The rules were approved in an effort to stop child pornography and ensure the performers are not minors.

Producers have 30 days to comply with the changes, which take effect June 23, or face up to 5 years in prison for the first offense and 10 years for each subsequent violation.

The Free Speech Coalition, its chapter in Colorado, a pornography distributor, and adult film producer filed the lawsuit seeking an injunction in U.S. District Court. According to court documents, the plaintiffs argue that the guidelines are unconstitutional and would do little to protect children. An enormous burden would be placed on producers and distributors, they said, to maintain unnecessary records of adult material dating back to July 3, 1995.

The regulations could stop distribution of adult material such as films, pictures, books, and magazines that were made since 1992, the plaintiffs argued.

It was unclear why the lawsuit was filed in Denver.

Jeff Dorschner, spokesman U.S. Attorney's Office, said he has not seen the case since it was filed late on Thursday.

"After we review it, we will file a response in due course with the court," he said.

An after-hours message left at the California-based coalition was not immediately returned.

The California-based Free Speech Coalition represents more than 600 businesses and individuals in the adult industry. The producer and distributor involved in the case are also from California."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...16/detail.html

Yahoo is so fucked. They still advertise adult in the non US market. What a bunch of losers !

Well I can see the media hyping it that way, what I don't understand is why the FSC didn't respond to set the record straight... so much for protecting the industry in my mind... that is simply irresponsible to allow an opportunity like that go by ignored... after hours or not.

just my opinion though
Ian

I'm a member of the Free Speech Coalition. I believe I spoke my mind against Yahoo as a member of the Free Speech Coalition. Isn't that what it's all about. Free speech and the first amendment.

Ian, you said we shouldn't "think" we know Canada. What makes you such an expert on the U.S. ?

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I'm a member of the Free Speech Coalition. I believe I spoke my mind against Yahoo as a member of the Free Speech Coalition. Isn't that what it's all about. Free speech and the first amendment.

Ian, you said we shouldn't "think" we know Canada. What makes you such an expert on the U.S. ?

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So you were the one they left a message for?

Come on guy, give me a break and learn to read a post instead of trying to jump down my back simply because I disagree with your FSC and the way they are handling something... and if you read the post, you will find I clearly stated it was an opinion, now just how in friggin hell does that translates to your interpretation of me claiming to be an expert on your country?

Suxian - this is not a yahoo story. it is an AP story, and it was released in most major news sites and papers. i also read it will be printed in forbes.