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Just wondered, other than advertising on resources and the likes, what other methods are their for program owners to gain more affiliates?
Board Whoring seems to be up at the top of the list these days but what about things that dont piss forum owners off?
Have you folks who own / run affiliate programs, had any success using alternative marketing forms specifically, when aimed towards webmasters?
Regards,
Lee
great post! well, i think just general marketing, not necessarily webmaster-based marketing, will work just as well. Webmasters are frequently surfing porn sites themselves and when they (including myself) come across a quality site, they're much more likely to sign-up for their affiliate program. That's how i've found all of my sponsors. So i think banner placements on other porn sites is a sure way to go. It'll boost your sales and will more than likely increase your affiliate base.
Allan
Thats definately a good idea although, i cant help but wonder if that would take away from the 'surfer' too?
Perhaps using a text link on your sites going to a 'webmasters' section would be a good way of doing the same thing without losing out on ad space for surfers.
What about other options? Has anyon had any luck with stuff like contests or raised payout promos?
Regards,
Lee
yeah, that's what i meant: to have a banner (not an affiliate banner but just a general banner) on another site that goes to your main page with a webmaster link somewhere on that page. it's nothing new but i still think it's effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Ah okay sorry misunderstood what you meant hehe.
So nobody else has any experience in getting affiliates? I find that hard to beleive ;)
Regards,
Lee
smart board-whoring is the best way i know of. i know guys who pull in a surprising number of good affiliates that way - you just need to be a likeable person, and be there whenever someone posts anywhere looking for things like ccbill sponsors, sponsors with fhgs and so on.
I think the real question is how to attract GOOD affiliates, not just those that push you one sale a month but those that give you many sales a day.....and honestly I don't know how to do that yet :(
cheers,
Luke
Luke, if you have affiliates that can send you 1 sale a day, keep attracting those affiliates and before long you'll have 100 affiliates pushing 1 sale a day ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilihost
Regards,
Lee
luke - if you have 100 affiliates sending 1 sale every other day, you're still making 50 sales a day. if you can get review sites to promote you, not only is their traffic gold, but the honest review sites do real reviews - so you can find out how to improve things.
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Originally Posted by Chilihost
i guess that's the point i was trying to make earlier...that GOOD affiliates come from affiliates who are PASSIONATE about their sponsor’s site themselves. And IMHO, these affiliates generally come from regular advertising. Not from "bonuses" or "prizes" or anything else for that matter, but from good quality content, reliability, and trust.
I know from personal experience, that in the past when i've sign-up with a program for their bonuses, i've lost my motivation to promote that program very fast, as the interest in that site wasn't totally there to begin with...that I had signed up for the wrong reasons. Whereas, when I sign up with a program solely because of the fact that I love their content and know that it’s hot enough to sell, i do whatever i can to get this across to my visitors and i do a pretty darn good job at it too ;)
I don't know...does this make any sense?
btw...i'm not a sponsor yet, but isn't this the best way to go? i mean look at sean*cody. didn't he get to where he is today because of passionate affiliates?
what do you mean by "review sites"? as in banana*guide.com and such?Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
psssst....I said one sale a month!!!
cheers,
Luke
So get 100 affiliates like that and you will be ding 100 sales a month ;) LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Chilihost
Regards,
Lee
the most financially successful webmasters i know are not passionate about their niches, their sites or their market. they are passionate about money. i am only acquainted with a couple whales, but they sure don't fit your description, GPallan.
the guys who make 50 or 100 sales per day are all about traffic and cash. and most of us probably aren't likely to have them sign up for our programs.
as far as guys who sent 5 sales per day, i've worked with a couple programs who had at least a few guys like that, and they often had review sites like rabbitsreviews or else MASSIVE traffic that they spread around through exits. and of course lots of gallery posters can do 1 - 10 sales per day, but we tend to spread them through several sponsors.
don't forget big tgp owners. they'll add any sponsor into gallery rotation who has plenty of fhg's and a site that doesn't suck. the catch here is you have to bring yourself to their attention. and that's where board whoring comes in.
i have a friend who has a program, and it's doing well. he makes sure that EVERY post on any board asking for fhg's, ccbill, or any of his niches get answered - and in a very friendly way. he tells me that the most new affiliates he gets are from posts asking for hosted movie galleries. he has over 80 galleries for people to link to now, and they generate a fair number of daily sales.
i'm sure there are some guys who make a bunch of sales because they're passionate about content, but i used to make 10 - 12 sales per day and i don't even like porn *LOL*
i'm just rambling, but hopefully some of my rambling makes sense!
how do you explain guys like jake*cruise, corbin*fisher, sean*cody, straight*college*men, and amateur*straight*guys (who JUST introduced their new marketing tools) just to name a few. ALL of whom, as i'm sure you agree, are quite successful and non of whom provide a single fhg or the likesQuote:
Originally Posted by basschick
That's why I think they're so successful. Corbin Fisher remains one of my biggest sellers and all I have is a thumbnail linked off our homepage. IMO FHG's largely get you lazy and cheap webmasters: they want to do as little work as possible, not spend a dime of their own money to make money, and they want you to hand over a big fat cheque every period. If you're looking to kill and over-expose your site, I think FHG's are the way to go - within 3 months every TGP from here to kingdom come will be full of your stuff and surfers will be so uninterested, you couldn't give your memberships away.Quote:
Originally Posted by GPallan
I think the sites you mentioned all have one thing going for them: hot, original content and they keep it pretty tight. And they're not giving it away, or if they are it's to select webmasters.
I have heard the Sean Cody's pirated pretty heavily on the file-sharing systems. And of course Randy Blue's an example of a site that's still pretty popular and has FHGs. Randy Blue also produces a shitload of high-quality content. So there are exceptions.
cheers
dzinerbear
people who own their own programs and shoot their own content aren't affiliates, and the ones i know are usually acquainted with any sponsors they use on exit - and yes, they are often quite involved in their sites. after all, their sites are often their own artistic expressions.
lee is asking about affiliates, and they are the people who choose not to have their own programs or shoot their own content. they are the people i was talking about in my longer post.
dzinerbear - i can only speak from my own personal experience working with programs. fhg do extremely well for the programs i work with. it's best to create addional galleries with each update, but i know programs who are getting great sales from older galleries, as well.
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Originally Posted by GPallan
i'm clear on who sponsors and affiliates are (lets hope so :)), but IMO, good effective affiliates (the ones that actually send you traffic for a good period of time) are the ones that are motivated and ambitious, and i'd assume that these usually (and i said usually) come from more than just good marketing tools (FHGs for example) that the sponsor provides. They have to be confident that they can sell this site first before even looking at their marketing tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
It's true, crappy sites can retain their sales by employing good marketing tools. But i guess the point that i'm trying to make is that IMO good quality sites delivering hot exclusive content don't need to rely on these same tools to be successful (like the sites that i mentioned earlier). They'll naturally get picked up by smart affiliates who know a good thing when they see one
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jim
Some great suggestions and commentary. I would just add that from our experience "word-of-mouth" is a key component of getting good affiliates. It's a small industry in the grand scope of things and word gets out fast. Having a great reputation goes a long ways. There is no better sales person for your company than a successful affiliate recommending you to his/her friends.
We don't provide those, either, and we've found that the really good people don't care about that. Our affiliate program has been quite successfull so far, and it hasn't even been officially launched yet. (although keep your eyes here for news on that next week).Quote:
Originally Posted by GPallan
We provide banners and that's about it. On a case-by-case basis, I'll let images go out, and I've given a few review sites some short video clips, but that's about it. We don't want to bore customers with our content, and we don't wanna do that.
I have to agree that there are way too many webmasters who want to do as little work as possible, and get a big fat cheque once a month. We're just not willing to saturate the market with our content to have a short-term peak and a long-term death.