how come you dont post on www.gfy.com any more?
is it becouse you stole the database from www.oprano.com and mailed it to some gay content offer
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how come you dont post on www.gfy.com any more?
is it becouse you stole the database from www.oprano.com and mailed it to some gay content offer
i love that brandon went out of his way to post some drama on GWW.bad news is i'm the only reply..
Is the a fucking joke or something. Believe me, Lee is a friend of mine and doesn't fuck around. He does a great service to the gay webmaster community by running the most useful board on the net. If you want to know where the crap is being pulled look in the places you hang out.
Hal
These are the kinds of things being said on the 'Oprano' board:
[QUOTE]The email smells really really gay[QUOTE]
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Damn Trev are you selling homo content?
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Hang the faggot. Pissing is one thing but if this is real, he deserves to be dressed in a "I "heart" richard simmons t-shirt and handed over to the klan as a freebie.
Their board smells really really straight. Are they sure they shouldn't change the name to 'Gay Wide Gaybashers?' It's amazing how some of those people will come on our boards and want things when they think they can make money off us or exploit us, but look how they talk when they think we aren't watching.Quote:
I didn't sign up for any faggot boards/programs/content providers
I implied this faggot was worthless but you old scammers just considered it "trolling'.
Straight isn't a bad word. One of my biz partners is straight and he's a sweetie pie (actually he wouldn't like being called that :-). The problem is not Straight/Gay it's that Adult Entertainment has been seen by those on the outside as a place for a quick buck to be earned - and it was many yeras ago. Unfortunately those days are long gone (glad I had the chance to enjoy them) but the vortex created by the "get rich quick" fantasy is still swirling like the bottom of a flushed toilet and pulling in with it the most common, low hanging branch of society's lazy losers. Instead of "sealing" driveways with cheap and useless grease and collecting a few hundred bucks from scared seniors, they're now porntrepreneurs. I've run into way too many in the last couple of years. And there's plenty of gay ones around too - some created by not being able to keep up with all the competition today and just hanging on to the last threads of their reputation from the old days, and I can name him -er, I mean them. The only difference is that we as gay webmasters shouldn't be surprised that some of this new, ignorant, straight contingent is using us as an outlet for their failure and frustrations. Most straight guys who have been around for a while in this biz are very tolerant and think of us as their allies, not their enemies. I say we ignore those shitheads, end this thread and go on with more constructive posts.
Thanks,
Hal
Hal,
Great post, I agree 100% with you, and of course I have dozens of straight friends and people I do business with too. That's why I said 'some' of those people...just sad that such ignorant and hateful people still exist in this day and age.
yawn.
Funny how people seem to come here and constantly try to stir up shit and drama to get traffic to their own boards.
Isn't there and age requirement in the adult industry?
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Originally Posted by Jasun
Agreed. The problem really isn't the majority of straight webmasters on GFY.
The problem is that there are a LOT of CHILDREN there..i.e. immature..20 something, that maybe has ONE tgp site and consider themselves webmasters!
Or, you might have someone who is reasonably successful, but is either a crackhead/meth head or suffering from severe personality disorders, who love to bash anyone and anything (including gays) at a whim.
The bottom line for the bashers: Basically they have no life of their own and/or they hate their life and love to take it out on others.
I just ignore them. They are a total waste of time.
you guys might want to search the breaders boards and read up about what lee did
its a proven fact.. he stole the email list from oprano and mailed it to a gay content offer. that is fact.
lee used to post on oprano daily, he was considered part of the "family" now hes banned.
he posted on gfy all the time as well.. yet now he dont.. reason being.. tons of people from oprano also post there and where running lee through the ringer for what hes done..
if you are doing any biz with this guy.. its only a matter of time before he may fuck you.. (biz wize.. calm down pinkies)
Funny though, Slade.. you'd think that even by 20, they'd have a grasp on things like punctuation, spelling and grammar.
Oh well, education isn't what it used to be.
Yeah he's definitely trying to get traffic to the other boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
Let's be honest... Lee has had his fair share of public drama outside the cocoon of GWW. I can only guess the reason is because he does a lot of business with new people. Our industry is just like any other and you can run into trouble working with people you don't know. It's live and learn.
This isn't a Gay vs straight issue. This is a decent people vs. trash issue IMHO.
And while we're being honest, I've read those other threads on the other boards and like Dannyz posted... many responses involve really mean Gay slurs and insults not just to Lee, but the whole Gay community. It's done for sport. The kind of people that make those statements, or condone others making them on their boards, can seriously fuck off. It's not just the Gay community either.. many people of color are verbally assaulted on those boards.
I did a search on the biggest board and returned over 500 results ( the maximum number of results ) for the term "******" over 500 results for " fag " & "faggot" over 100 results for "chink" over 500 result of " homo " the list goes on.
I've never worked with Lee, and I'm surely not standing up for him as he defends himself very well, but I totally understand exactly where he's coming from in his frustration and rebellious ways.
Lee has admitted publicly, many times, to not paying two different design companies, it's not a secret. Others have said they wouldn't pay after getting what they thought was a bad design. I personally would have paid, then not used them again, and not given them a good referral, but Lee isn't me. Even if he did steal the Oprano database, you have to wonder, with the way they condone people in our community being treated there, maybe they got what they deserved?
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Originally Posted by Jasun
"yet now he dont" lol
Yep..now he don't do dat no more.
If I only read Oprano or GFY, i'd get the impression that over half of adult webmasters are complete idiots with no life outside of message boards, and some serious mental problems. I'm at a point now where good business contacts would mean a lot to me, but I'm almost not willing to read through all that immature garbage to find the decent people.
Lucky for me, here it is easy, because about 95% of posters here are good people.
I don't give a shit what Lee does on other boards, and the people who live for witch hunts on those boards need to realize they are showing the rest of us who the real scumbags are...
So thanks, Brand0n, if that is your real name, but the tribe has spoken, and you are the weakest link.
Goodbye.
Well, I think this illustrates why I had given up on boards til someone turned me onto GWW. It is assholes like Brandon that really make you want to just stay away from boards. I thought the drama on gfy was hot, Oprano sounds like the modern Days of Our Lives soap opera.
It always amazes me how many people will be real nice when they want something from us, and then be bashing when it is done. I also thought there was a minimum age requirement to work in porn. That whole thing rings of passing notes back and forth in 7th grade science class.
And I wonder how someone can have in excess of 18K posts on a board and still have time to work. Not sure if he is one of them, but I hear so many people whine about not making any money yet they appear in every post and thread you come across. I wonder why they just dont work........
Anyway, I certainly wouldnt lose much sleep over it. And that is all this "pinkie" has to say, except GoFuckYourself seems to an appropriate direction to send him in.
OYYYYYYYYY, Im sorry I made that first post to this thread. When I start to see this crap my stomach turns. So, after this point I go to PPO (Positive Posting Only - almost only :-). Here's my stream of thought in no particular order - I'm just trying to cover some of crap this thread has brought up in my mind.
To begin with I can list names of people who have REALLY screwed me in this business, beginning in 1996 and continuing through the Aug 6th, 2005 bus hijacking. Some of these slugs are really well known characters in this business and I have the contracts and coresspondence to prove it - and Squirt, I'm certain you know all the recent ones very well. I use my business experience to try and protect myself, but at some point there has to be a little trust and that's when they cut your balls off. I was instrumental, along with YNOT of ridding this community of one very well known fraud who used to write prolific "how to" generate traffic articles - most of you know who that was. Here's a guy who always had something to say on the boards, he was even invited to seminars at Internext to let everyone share his knowlege. And when those of us who use outside services were getting ripped off by him for thousands, all these "popular posters" who virtually never made or spent a dime in this biz and who never met the guy or did business with him, were continuing to sing his praises. And it's not yet over as we're stuck with what seems is the bitter end of this creep's nasty biz partner who has been holding on in this business by a hair. The only way to protect yourself in this business is to try and verify who you're doing business with (and believe me, that isn't of much help in adult) and to NOT ever pay upfront unless on credit card. So Lee did just the right thing by not paying those designers (if that is true) and he should've posted the crap those guys did for him so we could all "live and learn" along with him. Squirt, "live and learn" might be a fine philosophy (in part) when it comes to relationships, restaurants and hotel rooms, but not for business. If you actually ever ran a business with that philosophy you'd be on this board like "Brandon" with lots of free time and mourning your business while really "living and learning". About three years ago I designed a website called "ShittyDeal.com" to allow us to share these bad experiences in adult, luckily a very good friend in the biz advised me not to do it and he knows I'm forever thankful. He told me it would turn into an attack on me from the type of guys I'm talking about in this post (like Brandon or whatever the fuck he is) without helping enough people. He said to keep this shit in the inner circle and that's just what I did and I suppose that's just what Lee tries to do now, because the attacks almost always come from the troublemakers just looking to smack someone down because of their own low post in life. It further amuses me that those who have the most to say (I'm not finger pointing) are the ones who never paid a nickle to an outside contractor, never bought traffic, never purchased a software license, never produced a photo or anything useful or interesting in this business and who say things like "had a great month" because they did 25 memberships instead of 19 for that period (I think those numbers read more like 9 and 7) and all from their website of newsgroup photos and stolen pics from sites like mine. Or the ones who say "I don't see a summer slowdown" - when they're billing 100 memberships including recurring for the month and in August they did 101. The only summer slowdown they didn't experience were their cancelations, refunds and chargebacks. And what I suspect is that the most verbal guys/girls, men/women on these boards aren't doing much with themselves anyway. I just started posting after many years of reading the boards and communicating within my own personal network of contacts and man is this board time consuming. I try to put some thought into my posts, because I find it insulting when I see all those "one word, one line" posts from the same people all the time. If they think this is good marketing - they are nuts. It's annoying, shallow, desperate and to tell you the truth I'm embarassed for them. Maybe they think this business is a popularity contest like highschool (I laugh at the popular guys in highschool who received all the adoration (and sex), got the girls, and are now busy working 4 jobs with 6 kids or are on their third trip to rehab (although I know too many people in this biz who need their first trip), these posters are not much different. I know I've rubbed a number of people in this business the wrong way over the years - they deserved it. I'm straight forward, I say what's on my mind (sometimes to my detriment), I don't cheat people, and I certainly never pulled any crap I'd be embarassed about (except that college porn movie - can you imagine, NO video cameras). I ran more than one successful mainstream business for over 20 years prior to entering the adult entertainment "funhouse" (you guys under 40 probably never visited one - so Google it) including a small public company. I made my mark and my money, and now I just want to enjoy myself (I guess I find an 80 hr work week fun) and I'm really tired of those who never did anything with their lives and who find themselves in this business doing whatever they can, without any forethought, just to make a quick buck. That's why the adult web is floating in tons of free crap, stolen passwords, con artists and shady people which resulted in most of the problems we as legitmate businessmen suffer from ie. credit card problems, tons of fraud, hijacked websites and domains and extensive chargebacks - all excuses for more government intervention, regulation,taxes,etc. So, why don't you guys (like Brandon) go back to Dungeons & Dragons, hanging out at bars every night, borrowing money from family and friends and sleeping all day. I'll go back to enoying my business and great associates and friends and family and the fruits of my labor and TOTALLY ignore these negative posts which are conjured up from what appears to be the only correctly functioning body part these shitheads have - their asshole. I think the best thing to do is just post a smiley or some cartoon in response to these posts. Don't waste a single precious word or thought on these bottom feeders. It'll fustrate them and give us a good laugh. Have a nice day :D
P.S. If you're not one of the people I'm describing above, just leave this thread alone and post a cartoon or something. And for those who seem to spend their life defending these creeps and trying to explain their actions - don't bother, it's a waste of your time .... UNLESS YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO :gossip:
Shit, now my keyboard is all sticky.........don't eat fruit and post at the same tmie --- yeach.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KURT !!!!!!!!!!!!! :woof:
I'm straight.
I make and sell gay porn.
I'm a friend of Lee's.
I post here and on Oprano.
And I am out and proud on all counts.
I just don't buy into the BS, factual or otherwise.
I prefer to do business and have fun.
My 2c
:coffee:
You're lucky. I have much respect for a simple and uncomplicated guy.
Hal
What I cannot figure out is WHY anyone EVER hangs out on GFY. First, there is the name.... why would I go to a board that insults me based on it's url?
Then, why would anyone do any sort of business with anyone who POSTS on a board called go fuck yourself?
The bad energy, hate and ugliness generated both by the domain name itself, and by the people attracted to that kind of ugliness is a turn off, and I would never consider hanging out in that kind of place.... to me GFY is the equivalent of hanging out in some red-neck KKK bar in the ozarks... Yuck!
I am selective about my freinds, selective about my business associates, and even more selective about the sort of energy I allow into my life.... and Brandon has the sort of energy I certainly wouldnt want to have poisoning my space....
so why dont you tell the pansy bunch that im telling the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy
Brand0n,
You're a moron.
Stop insulting our community members and go back to where you belong, GFY.
I think its pretty obvious nobody gives a toss about what you have to say trying to stir up drama.
Regards,
Lee
is this really what GFY is like?
I mean.. how do people carry on business like that?
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