Real gloryhole illegal?

Hi,

Been thinking of producing some gloryhole videos.... but since you have that 2257 law in US I guess real hiddencam gloryhole content (where the guy sticking his dick through the hole doesn't know his dick is videotaped) would not be legal?

I know probably wouldn't be legal in US anyway. But I am a Swedish citizen so I could probably use the content on a paysite, but not sell on DVD in the US, right? How about selling it on PPV such as AEBN?

Has anyone here tried to make this sort of content?

It might not be legal but it sure would be hot to watch... and dangerous to produce.

Just drill a hole through a plank of wood... Instant gloryhole :)

Regards,

Lee

Lee, that's exactly how I planned doing it. Instant content for nothing... why not have fun at work too? :)

Your "stunt cock" or whatever you want to call him--you would need 2257 to sell in the US even though we dont see his face. Remember, even though the viewer does not see his face, I as your watchdog/guardian angel want to know that you are sure the stunt cock is legal age.

Also, I strongly suggest that you get a release from the cock's owner. Even if it is after the shoot, get his permission before you broadcast an unknowing person in a sexually explicit situation.

It is much easier to _stay_ out of trouble than _get_ out of trouble.


Now, back to packing for the trip to Amsterdam. !!!:thumbsup:

Yeah personally, I'd be more worried about getting a model release -- my mind is reeling with the posibilites that would happen if someone that didn't want to be on camera found out that they're now an internet porn star. :)

besides 2257, as chad said, how would you know all participants were of age? besides, there are all sorts of privacy laws in europe...

Well you know....

I kind of ahhh... Well I errrr... Sorta have a registered business in Russia.
And well, gosh you know that Glory hole stuff isn't all that difficult to sell from there.

why does it have to be real,why cant it just be like all reality content make it look real?

Hamilton Steele what else do you do to skirt around the laws?


Besides if they want to nail you being in Russia won't save you at all if law enforcement wants you bad enough.

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Originally Posted by jIgG

Hamilton Steele what else do you do to skirt around the laws?

Besides if they want to nail you being in Russia won't save you at all if law enforcement wants you bad enough.

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I'm sorry JIgG but I've really lost faith in "law enforcement" lately.

They've been after Bin Laden for 4 years. One man and a few of his cronies. They've yet to find him. :coffee:

I don't think Hamilton is trying to skirt around the laws.. I think he's explaining that the laws are different in other countries :francais:

The U.S. isn't the end all and be all of world law. IMHO Since this 2257 fiasco and "war on terror" "war on porn" I've come to loathe the "we dominate the world" montra this administration has pushed. There are different morals in different countries. For example... different countries actually believe Gay people can love eachother and be married.

I love America and can't wait till things get back to normal back home.

( just a general rant, not directed at you JIig )


Regarding the gloryhole content Marq... you'd think if people are having public sex they would expect to have the same protection that others in public have regarding productions... basically none lol. But why not get their permission and have them sign a release? Here's how you do it.. film yourself sucking them off.. then as they leave.. run after them and say "Wait , wait.. can you sign this please? I want to put this on a pay site on the internet!! " he he

...Here's how you do it.. film yourself sucking them off.. then as they leave.. run after them and say "Wait , wait.. can you sign this please? I want to put this on a pay site on the internet!! "...

then the police have PROOF from your video camera that you were sucking off a 15 year old boy. brilliant!

btw, the laws DO protect the average person in a public place from being the main focus of pictures or video that is used commercially. the person you photograph or video in that situation retains the rights to their likeness. i discovered this when i wanted to video guys working out at venice beach.

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Originally Posted by basschick

then the police have PROOF from your video camera that you were sucking off a 15 year old boy. brilliant!

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:ill: ~shivers~ :ill:

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Originally Posted by basschick

btw, the laws DO protect the average person in a public place from being the main focus of pictures or video that is used commercially. the person you photograph or video in that situation retains the rights to their likeness. i discovered this when i wanted to video guys working out at venice beach.

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You are right

Thanks for all your input, guys.

I realise the making of this type of video would be risky, but they would be legal here. Actually there woul dbe no problem sucking off a 15 year old, since that is legal age here (don't worry, I wouldn't).

Probably better to go the long way and try to contact people who don't mind being filmed, and have them sign the paper. But that's always where I have run into trouble before when I have tried making content. They say "Why do I have to provide my ID, I don't want my name/ID out somewhere in cyberspace/your office/police/USA for prying eyes" and that's where they chicken out. I figured noone would mind having their cock shown, since it is not something that his firiends would find out. Unless he's a total slut and everyone knows what his cock looks like :)

Ah well, back to the drawing board... and to tell you the truth I am a bit awkward about putting a GH in my flat, who knows who is on the other side of the wall...

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Originally Posted by jIgG

Hamilton Steele what else do you do to skirt around the laws?


Besides if they want to nail you being in Russia won't save you at all if law enforcement wants you bad enough.

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Dude,

I'm not manufacturing child porn, snuff films or good times on Old McDonalds Farm movies.

In my movies everyone is and adult of at leat 23 years of age.
(Yes 23 - I don't film people that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground)

Furthermore everyone is on my set willingly, knows what is expected of them and has the option to say "STOP" or leave at any point in time.

So Turn down the "Hamilton Must Be a Douchbag Radar."

I'm a capitalist, nothing more and nothing less. The way I operate is when something is too much trouble I go some place else.

Examples:

The talent in my area tends to have too many tabous. So I film in Russia. (Cheaper and girls do everything)

The United States has a war on porn. Therefore I distribute my product in Japan. (Bigger market anyway)

I don't like the porn gossip or bullshit on hetro porn-forums. So I hang out on a gay one. (And I don't have any female fans looking to buy my underware)

etc. etc. etc.

I'm not skirting any laws. And if I was, the only ones I would be skirting is the American laws and I'm not an american. (Actually I don't want any fucking citizenship because I hate being owned. I am a free man)

I just know it is pefecty legal in europe,i shooted tons of that :)

Just get a release ... honestly, about anybody would do it for free ... getting your cock sucked on tape without anybody seeing your face...

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Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele

Dude,



I'm not skirting any laws. And if I was, the only ones I would be skirting is the American laws and I'm not an american. (Actually I don't want any fucking citizenship because I hate being owned. I am a free man)

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so what you're saying is you're shooting porn without any documents and release forms? and if yes those are not required in Europe, you can just whip the camera out and do your thing?

I just hope you aren't shooting some mafia guy's hookers in Russia :devil:

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Originally Posted by jIgG

so what you're saying is you're shooting porn without any documents and release forms? and if yes those are not required in Europe, you can just whip the camera out and do your thing?

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I obey whatever the laws and regulations are for the country I am in.
But I've explained myself and it's obvious you're looking to pick an argument.

And if you want to act like a moralistic asshole, thats your problem.

let's not lower ourselves to GFY standard here...

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Originally Posted by Marq

let's not lower ourselves to GFY standard here...

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In our home we have 3 laptops going at any point in time. 1 Mac and 2 PCs. When we get on the internet we usually sit across from each other discuss what we read.

She logs onto GFY all the time. Although I am hardly a person with no controversial opinions. Hell, I say whatever I want and it isn't always "politically correct." Still I just have to say, "No thank" because I just don't think the place is for me.