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Whats the appeal to you of them?
I dont mean to sound rude but, Asian guys do absolutely nothing for me, sexually or, more importantly, sales wise, im wondering what the attraction to Asian men is, is there something specific that gets you going about them or what?
I know a few others on GWW have had no luck marketing Asian sites so im sure some insight would help all of us :)
So whats the 'sell' with Asian guys? Their skin color? Hair style? Overall looks?
Regards,
Lee
don't ask! , all i know is they sell well!
the 1# response ( yeah i actually asked my mil-guy's who like asian what the attraction was ) their "tight" and/or difficult to "penetrate" and nothing is more appealing than something you can't have! ( which of course would explain why everyone wants me! )
i feel very sorry for my asian models because their pretty much judged (stereotyped) before they even take off their clothes ( did you know that a couple have big-dicks and are tops? ) their also not as easy to find and very hard to keep (..."me want to go shopping!"...)
professionaly they are a nightmare to photograph , because of their delicate appearance it's hard to pull off a "rocky" photo-shoot , and how many ways can you photograph a samurai? ( they all hate that kimono fan sh*t )
this of course is my opinion , feel free to disregard and/or add
sincerely ~ ..."me japanese boy i love you , i do love you , you japanese girl , you love me , please say you do"...
i forgot to mention , the problem most have marketing "asian" is that they assume that the customer will settle for anything "asian" , unless you are attracted and/or have some knowledge of the desirable "characteristics" of asians don't count on your site selling.
sincerely ~ ..."made in occupied japan"... :)
Ah Lee, you ask me of my great love?:love: :love:
Well, I've been attracted to Asians since I hit puberty. Caucasians, African Americans, and most other races RARELY interest me unless they have long hair, that seems to make me actually consider them attractive in some way.
To me, body hair is a really big turn off. And who's more hairless than the Asian population (other than Native American). I'm also driven wild by the way their eyes look. Something about their shape seems very sexual or sensual.
As I am short their height appeals to me as well. The average height of an Asain man is about 5'6"-7". I'm 5'2". Their lean bodys actually look good on them despite how skinny they are. Skinny white guys don't look so good because from what I've seen, they don't have the natural build to be skinny (mostly, not always).
Lastly, their culture is a turn on. They value education highly and I was raised to believe in lots of education. I'm also a sucker for nerdy type guys and those with more knowledge than me about subjects is a turn on. Also family is very important and thats #1 for me. Its not the same type of idea that America has were you honor thy mother and thy father. Its the ENTIRE family you honor. Even the dead ones.
So all in all their build and their culture appeals to me.
golden skin, dark hair, slender hairless bodies - what's not to like? especially an asian guy with loooong hair. a lot of asian guys are uncut, which is great for uncut fans. and don't forget a lot of non asian people think of asian people as extra smart and the last word in exotic. surely you've heard the phrase "the mysterious east".
i notice that i get better sales using the word oriental, too - it may not be pc, but it works.
plus asian eyes are copied for most depictions of elves and other magical and beautiful creatures because of the graceful shape and curves - appealing.
To me it is very basic or simple (and no different from the other things in life) ... something different from all the ordinary over marketed every day items.
I hate Hummers, Corvettes, BMW 3-series (I love b-mers and have a long history with, so that hurt), spinners, iPods, mountain bikes in the city, lowrise/hipster stuff, rear license plates and synthetic people (cosmetic surgery) etc.
You know ... Trendoid shit.
I love Citroën, Alfa, Maserati, SAAB, station wagons, diesels, black rims, San Disk players, 50's fashion, road cycles, tattoos (exclusing 'the stamp') etc.
You know ... real beauty that was not shoved down my throat by some marketing firm.
You should see how much crap I give away every year, simply because it hit the charts.
Paco, are you high today? Lol
What Sana Chan said. :thumbsup:
Lee, I think if you take a look at our sites and watch some of our videos, we may just convert you to a rice queen just yet. Nothing hotter then watching cute and passionate Asian men moaning and making love on film.
One thing we've found is that Asian twinks sell best to the west, but muscular Asians are most adored by other Asian guys ('sticky' rice queens). IMO a good mix of the two does best, which is what we try to offer on our sites.
Good luck!
D.
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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
Nooooo silly, I do not waste (come to work high).
I wait until 4:20 to 420
Bad boy, you need to be spanked.
(I guess my post does not look like it is on topic.)
I grew up in the midwest so we didnt have any Asian guys around. Living in the Pacific Northwest, I had my first experiences with Asian guys and have been hooked every since. I think all the things that Basschick said, plus some more qualities that I am not even sure I can put into words.
Just as there are some people that cannot fathom twinks but prefer mature chubby hairy guys, there are those that really prefer latinos, or those that prefer guys that look like recent parolees, there is no accounting for taste. (Although I have to say I think Asian guys taste better than white meat.)
As for sales, I have done better in gay Asian sites than any other gay niche on the net. I guess that may be due in large part to the fact we shoot all our content here in southeast Asia and Japan. Our members get exclusive content with never before seen models that is updated two times a week currently, going to daily updates starting the first of November.
I did well before when I was working primarily with straight stuff, mostly because there are so many more potential customers. But I have never experienced the member loyalty and rebill rates that we have had in this niche.
In fact, our members are very vocal through emails and constantly asking for more. As a result, we will be coming out with our first DVD in late November as well as launching a variety of new sites in 2006. I guess not many have the ability to get such content for an un-saturated market.
There are just a handful of serious gay Asian sites out there, and we have two of them. Lots of the big programs have gay Asian entrances, but you find that they have very little content in the niche and then feed you to some mega members area with other non-Asian stuff. And then there are a few sites that seem to use the same old content that has been oversold by its producers.
Some of our affiliates are reporting record sales and rebill rates of 70% or more. I guess the niche is much smaller than some others but it just goes to show that if you fill a targeted market, it can still pay off.
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Originally Posted by Paco
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I can honestly say that, after living in Los Angeles for four years, I have finally cultivated a new attraction to Asian guys. But I'm also VERY picky about ALL men, no matter what color skin they have.
I can't just be attracted to a guy because he's Asian, or because he's black or Latino, or even because he's hairy or masculine, which are two traits I really like in a guy. For me, it's all about the personality and what you can find when you look in their eyes. So I don't know if I'm a really good person to answer this question for you.
But what I DO like about Asian guys specifically is that they have a very exotic look to them, which is why most guys I know who prefer black and Latino go after them. It's that "something different."
I am honestly color blind when it comes to guys, but regardless of what color you are, you have to have that something special--and rather specific--for me to be into you. Masculinity is usually a must, but as I've said before, I am also now finding myself attracted to guys who aren't as butch or as rough-and-tumble or as hairy as I thought I liked.
It's funny, but as I get older, I find that more and more of my preferences are going out the window. I no longer have any requirements for what I'm attracted to, and I thought I did. And I love it. I'm finally growing up. I only wish the rest of the narrow-minded gay community would wake up and do the same. I think we are missing out on so many opportunities when we have such specific preferences. Picky is good, but too picky is not. But I totally digress! :)
Anyway, back to Asians. There's also something very quiet and reserved about them. And they are very respectful of others. The men there are taught to bow to each other in show of respect. Most of the Asian guys I know here are very respectful as well.
Does anyone remember that BEAUTIFUL Asian guy in Karate Kid 2? The one Daniel went up against in the show-down? Fuck, he was SOOOOO fucking hot. I used to have such a crush on him when I was a kid. And the guy on Lost is pretty hot too. Jin. Yummy. :)
funny - i grew up in west l.a. and there is a huge japanese population, plus when i was in jr. high our school got a bunch of korean refugee kids so asian people are not exotic to me. exotic to me is a hot asian-caucasian mix - this one guy who was a mad scientist was half english and half chinese and omg what an indescribably gorgeous person!!!!
but just like any kind of person, there are some uniquely appealing things about the asian looks - all asian people do NOT look the same.
Completely agree with this. I LOVE mutts! Or, as Cher would say, half-breeds. LOL! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Absolutely. That's why I can't just be attracted to any old Asian guy. They DON'T all look the same. And, like any guy I'm attracted to, he needs to stand out.Quote:
but just like any kind of person, there are some uniquely appealing things about the asian looks - all asian people do NOT look the same.
When under the influence, my mind is operating at the speed of sound, and my body the speed of light. I would go NUTS sitting here, baking away, like an over cooked turkey ... dry to the bone ... begging for some one to bast me!Quote:
Originally Posted by sukime69
That is one nice thing about having hot asian guys around all the time. There is always someone close more than willing to baste me. heheheheheQuote:
Originally Posted by Paco
Another one of the advantages of being in Asia. One of the few places in the world I have been where a middle aged overweight white guy is considered a hot commodity. :pimp:
LOL! And as I've found, Latinos and Asians seem to LOVE hairy bears. When I used to go to the Zone (a sex club here in L.A.), I swear I'd have TONS of Asian guys coming on to me--and I'm just an otter! Very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by sukime69
Even beter here because they have not been "AmeriAsianized".Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
As a red-headed white chick I've found Asian guys really like me. And for the same reason I like them, the exotic passion of it. There aren't any natural red-heads in Asia (like I'm natural anyway). But they adore me and they also adore my build. Most of the Asians I've dated are native born Chinese and they love them some big women or men, most I've met are also bi.
They see both of these traits (red hair and large body structure) as being exotic compared to what they see everyday. Thats another reason hot sexy guys like XXXWriterDude get hit on by them. We have very large bone structures in the chest and shoulders for men and the hips for women. They love that as it a sign that you know how to eat a good amount of food and can afford it. The body hair is another exotic trait of the caucasian. Even women have a fine peach fuzz on thier body (especially those of us with naturally curly hair) and that drives them wild.
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Originally Posted by Sana Chan
LOL! Well, I thank ye kindly for the very kind words, but in actuality, I'm actually quite small-framed. People seem to think from my pics that I'm much bigger boned and built than I am. It's one reason why I hate cruising the Internet for dudes. They say things like, "I like big bears," and I'm like, "Well, then you won't like me. I'm a furry otter." :)
Lol! Otter. But still you have the Caucasian frame that they like. Your face is as exotic to them as their is to us. I've been told it has something to do with our high cheek bones or something like that.:yeah:Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
Interesting. That must be it. I have an ADORABLE face! LOL! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sana Chan
time for some more webmaster lunches. we'll have to feed you up so you can be promoted from otter to bear ;)
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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
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Originally Posted by basschick
Are you kidding? I already have a hard enough time getting laid 'cuz I'm not a muscle head, which is apparently what most men in L.A. want. I'm not going to futher destroy my chances by getting big! :)
Asians do NOTHING for me! And with that said... Asian Bears are kind of a turn on.
Like this guy.
http://www.gproject.com/mark/index.gif
HOT HOT HOT! Not into Asians but he would be a lot of fun.
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No I think I'll stick with the skinny ones. Thats ok. That guy looks like he could crush my head.
OK, just so you know, dude, that is NOT a bear. He's a Muscle Mary if there ever was one. Might as well be Arnold Schwarzenegger's Asian cousin. But he is NOT a bear. Trust me, I know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Happysucks
Maybe for an Asian that IS a bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
Haha. Funny, but no. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sana Chan
Porn is so liberal with tossing around labels like that. Bears are bigger-built men (usually not of the muscular persuasion), and they are usually hairy (at least facial hair). Some say bears are fat, but not really. Or at least not all of them. Chubby is more like it. Stocky, most likely.
Of course, there are muscle bears and muscle cubs, but again, that guy is most definitely not a bear. He's just a big muscle queen. :)
Thank you sensei for bestowing your wisdom upon me. *bows* :karate:
[QUOTE=XXXWriterDude]Haha. Funny, but no. :)
Porn is so liberal with tossing around labels like that. Bears are bigger-built men (usually not of the muscular persuasion), and they are usually hairy (at least facial hair). Some say bears are fat, but not really. Or at least not all of them. Chubby is more like it. Stocky, most likely.
Not all Bears are Chubby - Gmen is an asian Bear magazine
And if it's furr you need to be a bear - Find me a fluffy asian! They are hairless for the most part.
LOL! Well, when you hang out in the bear community, you learn awfully quick what a bear really is. I love hanging out with bears. They are so much fun and love to laugh. I'm generally not attracted to them (unless they're a little bit more on the, er, svelte side), but they are the FUNNEST (and FUNNIEST) guys to hang with. Just great people. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sana Chan
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Originally Posted by Happysucks
There are smooth bears, but most of them have facial hair, and are indeed stocky or chubby.
The definition is being opened up, but mostly by magazines eager to cash in on the niche. In fact, the bear community revolts against the mainstreaming of the bear community, as many of them feel that the community is an alternative to the mainstream. Again, porn directors and magazine editors will automatically toss the "Bear" label on a guy who's not really a bear if they think it will sell magazines, but if you go into the bear community and ask them, they'll set your straight for sure. Or check out any issue of American Bear magazine. That is where you will find your true bears.
Or hang at the Faultline and the Gauntlet in L.A., and you will know what I mean. :)
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Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
I agree. I used to hang out with some bears in Seattle and they were tons of fun (no pun intended) and they had the best potlucks and parties. Some of the best food I have ever tasted in my life. And some of the most open minded and accepting people I have ever been around.
Even tho I wasnt attracted to them physically, their personalities made it very fun and there was not all that pressure of "who am i gonna fuck" out of the group. We just had a good time.
What's the sexual appeal Lee? Flavour and variety is the spice of life.
As for sales... I don't do a huge amount of Asian sales but I've got a steady little stream now that I'm promoting a few decent sites/programs.
well why they don't market well (i mean the asians) is that the webmaster has very incorrect term when they said.....asians....because most of the sites will feature guys from thailand.....come on...asian is more than that! they are guys and hunks from singapore, japan, korea, malaysia, india, indonesia, philipines and many more...even they are some cute guys from nepal...so next time if the GWM want to sell sites that feature asians do take this into considerations...
My philosophy is that men are like ice cream.
When you walk into that ice cream store, what is your favorite flavor? For me it is definitely one of the mocha flavors, but some of you just love pistachio. If I walk into an ice cream shop and all they have is pistachio but there is an all-you-can-eat special [like bangkok] then of course I will over-indulge. All ice cream is good!
I won't always go for my favorite flavor every time, either. Some days I feel like some plain vanilla, some days feel more the strawberry, and then some days just cry out for a double chocolate fudge brownie chunk with chocolate syrup. I have even tried all the flavors in a single weekend!
So men are like ice cream. You can always try new flavors, all ice cream is good even though some flavors taste better than others, and there is always room for more.