How can you ask a person questions about their business and not have them delete your post on GWW calling it slander? The person happens to be a moderator here.
Are moderators immune from public discussion on GWW?
Thanks in advance :thumbsup:
How can you ask a person questions about their business and not have them delete your post on GWW calling it slander? The person happens to be a moderator here.
Are moderators immune from public discussion on GWW?
Thanks in advance :thumbsup:
Perhaps if you stop trying to bait him in to an argument your posts wouldnt get removed, ever think of that?
For the record, had i gotten to that post before Luke had i would have deleted it also, do you have any proof that he is hosting child porn?
No.
Because he isnt. Hence slander, its really that simple.
Regards,
Lee
Whoops.. Sorry didnt mean to lock the thread hit the wrong option.
Regards,
Lee
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Originally Posted by Lee
What are you talking about Lee? I posted just one domain he's hosting and the post was deleted by Chilihost, your moderator.
Last week you PM'd me on GWW and said, after you edited a post of mine outlining this same issue, "i have already made Luke aware that those sites are being hosted on his servers and he is currently rectifying the problem If nothing comes of it, then by all means feel free to post where they are hosted"
Now you are saying there is no proof, when you looked at the sites yourself before and made the above statement? And now you say that you would have deleted my post as well?
Not only has CP material been on the site I posted earlier, what is considered CP under Australian law, still exists on the site I posted earlier.
Are you asking me to prove the site has CP/**** stuff by posting links in this thread? I'm not sure what you want. You are now backflipping on what you told me previously. I don't get it.
I've never had a problem with Luke at chilihost ever before, at all. I thought when I posted the domain he's hosting with that material that he'd take action, as did you, but now I'm being pegged as the bad guy? WTF? lol
Squirt, you accused him of hosting CP on his servers, i read the post after it was removed so i know what it said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Yes i did send you that, and yes, something has been done about it, just because YOU havent been made aware of what has been done, that doesnt mean it was left unattended.Quote:
Last week you PM'd me on GWW and said, after you edited a post of mine outlining this same issue, "i have already made Luke aware that those sites are being hosted on his servers and he is currently rectifying the problem If nothing comes of it, then by all means feel free to post where they are hosted"
When i looked at the sites, there was content there that was borderline, yes. However, those issues have been dealt with, in private, by Luke and his client and Lukes attorneys. Thats all you need to know. Oh and yes, accusing someone (doesnt matter who) in a post of something they arent doing, irrespective of who posts the accusations, is going to get pulled, by me and, by my moderators.Quote:
Now you are saying there is no proof, when you looked at the sites yourself before and made the above statement? And now you say that you would have deleted my post as well?
You seem to be under the impression that the ChiliHost servers are based in Australia or, that Luke is based in Australia for some reason, they arent and, he isnt so Australian law really doesnt come in to any of this now does it.Quote:
Not only has CP material been on the site I posted earlier, what is considered CP under Australian law, still exists on the site I posted earlier.
Im not asking you to prove or disprove anything, im simply stating that the matter which you bought up a week or so ago have been dealt with, in the proper way, between a business, their client and, their attorney.Quote:
Are you asking me to prove the site has CP/**** stuff by posting links in this thread? I'm not sure what you want. You are now backflipping on what you told me previously. I don't get it.
No one is pegging you as a bad guy here, you just dont have all the facts, because, in all honesty, you dont need to have any more information than what i have posted to you above again, action was taken, attorneys became involved and thats all there is to it. End of topic.Quote:
I've never had a problem with Luke at chilihost ever before, at all. I thought when I posted the domain he's hosting with that material that he'd take action, as did you, but now I'm being pegged as the bad guy? WTF? lol
Regards,
Lee
Lee when you deleted my post about this last week, then said "If nothing comes of it, then by all means feel free to post where they are hosted" then you don't tell me anything has been done, and put me through the ringer for posting again and say I should have known something was done when the material is still on the site!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
I'm not under that impression at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Luke is Australian.
Luke is an Australian that has moved to Panama.
Lukes company "Likemind Pty Ltd" is an Australian company, with an Australian address, etc.
Australian companies have to follow Australian laws, no matter where the owner of the company lives.
The content in question violates Australian CP laws.
In Australia.. even text about under age individuals, in a certain context, is considered CP. A few months ago the new laws were passed, now Luke has relocated to Panama. (no I'm not infering that he fled Australia to avoid the law) Luke has servers in the U.S. and Netherlands. Hosting porn in Australia is illegal. Luke doesn't host porn in Australia.
New Australian law defines CP much more differently then the U.S. The U.S. seems liberal compared to what they define as CP.
You are contradicting yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
On one hand you say nothing illegal was going on... on the other hand you say Lukes attorneys got involved and "those issues have been dealt with" Yet my posts about this have been edited by you last week and deleted by Luke today. You say Luke wasn't hosting that kind of site and edit/delete my posts then say his attorney got involved with the site owner and it was all taken care of. Why would someone have their attorney deal with a situation that didn't exist?
Lee can I just give links to the stuff you consider borderline, since you say it's all taken care of and there is nothing illegal going on there? Just one example I can link to at this moment is a new 15 year old member being welcomed by much older members who are over 18 saying they'll "get to know his member" and "I said if he was a bad boy I'd have to spank him...then I found out that turns him on" Many, many more examples to link to as well. How can this be considered acceptable in our industry?
Ok... hmmm...as far as I can get from your posts is...
a.) A week ago Squirt posted that one of Lukes clients was hosting CP
b.) Lee deleted the post - for obvious reasons so that Chillihost was not accused of anything illegal - and told Squirt that Luke was taking care of this and all of his lawyers as we speak and that if this was still the case after a week that Squirt could make another post which wouldn't be deleted
c.) After one week Squirt posted again as the client was still hosting CP on Chillihost and nothing was done about it
d.) Luke who is moderator on board deleted this post
If this is correct - and I have no idea if it is... then I have to agree with Squirt.
If the site is still there and it still hosts CP I suggest to you Squirt to report it to www.asacp.org and to the billing company and also report the hosting company.
Just be sure it's child porn, and be sure on which servers it is hosted at this point.
What's the big fuss
Squirt, you DON'T know anything. You have almost every "fact" wrong, including my citizenship, my company location and my company and client's legal positions.
I am not going to discuss my companies private matters with you or on a public forum.
This is a privately held, moderated forum where I was asked to be responsible to help moderate posts. I deleted your post as it was slanderous.
It isnt.Quote:
Just be sure it's child porn
That is EXACTLY why the last post was removed, Luke is being accused of hosting CP which he isnt. People are only going to read 'Luke hosts cp' because, as you no doubt know, webmasters only read what they want to read, not the facts, which are, there is NO CP being hosted on Lukes servers.. PERIOD!
Regards,
Lee
Well... Squirt put the link here and it will be obvious who's making things up and who is not... unless it's not allowed?
I would put a link to it but it seems every time I make any links to the site the post is deleted or edited. So I guess it's not allowed? Which I think is off if the site isn't doing anything illegal ;)
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Originally Posted by Squirt
Ask Lee if you can put a link, otherwise pm is still working:penny:
Well if I'm wrong then correct me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilihost
I've never known a legitimate business where the business owner feels the need to not tell people where his company is located or what country his legal citizenship is in and instead says "I am not going to discuss my companies private matters with you or on a public forum."
I really don't understand.
My goal in bringing up the lpsg.org site, along with others here, was to bring attention to the activities going on there... then I happened to notice it was hosted by ChiliDNS which forwards to Chilihost and is owned by Likemind Pty Ltd, Lukes company which has a brisbane Australia address. I figured Luke would be notified, he would stop hosting the site, or something of that nature, but instead my posts have been edited, and deleted. There are still posts of older guys trying to pick up 15 year olds (amongst other things), chilidns is still on the LPSG.org whois as their DNS server, yet Lee and Luke tell me it's all taken care of. Whatever.
Then discuss it privately with me. I don't care. You never even thanked me for taking the time out to track the guys hosting company down. No PM, ICQ, or email. Just attacks like I'm trying to slander you by bringing the site to your attention. Something is really not right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilihost
Usually when I contact a host or billing company about a site like this I get a response thanking me and telling me it will be addressed. Not being told I'm slandering them by pointing out the site is on their servers or being billed through them. The way this is being twisted AGAINST the person reporting the problem is not right.
Lee PM'd me and said if anything hadn't changed that I could post it on the board.... The site is still up, the DNS is still chilihost, nothing I can see is changed, so I post like I was told to and now my posts are being deleted and I'm being accused of slander :thumbsup:
Squirt,
You know I love you, but Luke has every right to want to solve these matters privately rather then on a public forum. He has already said he is aware of the problem and taking the necessary steps to solve it and I have full trust he is doing just that.
I know you are trying to do the right thing by alerting him Squirt, but you are going about it all the wrong way. If you had alerted Luke to the problem privately and sent personal emails to him rather then making an argument on a public board about it, which could potentially damage the reputation of his business, you'd have got a much warmer response. As many people will attest to on here, Luke is a totally stand up guy and he cares about his clients and business more then anything. I have had several hosts, and none of them offered even a fraction as good of service and quality as he does. Do you really think he'd risk all that by hosting illegal sites?? I don't think so honey. ;)
Domain Name:LPSG.ORGQuote:
Originally Posted by dannyz
Name Server:NS1.NL12.CHILIDNS.COM
Name Server:NS2.NL12.CHILIDNS.COM
A thread on the site where an underage kid posted his cock and users are giving their feedback http://www.lpsg.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13399 -- Where I'm from posting/hosting underage cock pics is CP
A thread where a guy is looking for under 18 guys http://www.lpsg.org/forum/index.php?...pic=9150&st=15
A 15 year old being hit on by older guys http://www.lpsg.org/forum/lofiversio...hp/t12989.html
Soliciting sex from a minor is illegal
i really didn't want to look at the site, but since you forced it on us I did. It looks like all the photos of underage people posting stuff were removed.
And as I said in my previous post:Cheers,Quote:
He has already said he is aware of the problem and taking the necessary steps to solve it and I have full trust he is doing just that
D.
Luke didn't solve the problem privately. He was PM'd by Lee last week and the stuff is still on the sites as my links proved.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyz
I forced the site on you? Yes the guy pointing out **** sites is the bad guy whatever dude. I post links, I post DNS proof and still I'm the bad guy? lol I'm not the one on the DNS for this site.. ChiliDNS is!
There is no proof anything has been taken care of. It's all still there. I linked to it. Chilidns is still on the LPSG.org site DNS according to the whois. The posts of pervs trying to pick up a 15 year old are still there. Reviews of an underage kids cock are still on the site.
I've received ICQ's from posters here saying they've reported the site and DNS host and thanking me for bringing it to their attention.
You can ignore the proof I've provided and keep your head in the sand, no sweat of my back :groovy:
You yourself said you're Australian and based in Brisbane so how am I wrong about your Australian citizenship? ;) http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...alian#post1262Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilihost
As Dannyz pointed out..you REALLY are going about this thing the wrong way.
In your quest to be "Vigilante Squirt" of the GWW forum, you have become so tunnel visioned on things that you DEMAND the spotlight and if you don't get it, you then get angry.
If this is an issue that STILL bothers you..TAKE IT TO THE AUTHORITIES IN QUESTION WHO CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Stop the whining about your posts being deleted on here and start focusing all this apparent time and energy you have elsewhere. I know you have an ego to be fed on this board..but this is ridiculous!
P.S. And I know for a fact that Luke is NOT Australian!
You are incredible. So driven by negativity sometimes, you are so obsessive compulsive you have to resort to quoting past posts to ATTEMPT to prove your point that you are indeed "the good guy".Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Yeah, he said he was Australian..and you know what, when someone lives in a country for a long time, they tend to say they are a citizen of the country they live in..and he even JOKINGLY said he was based in Brisbane..meaning HE LIVES/LIVED IN BRISBANE!
Give it up Squirt..you have turned from someone I once admired now to someone I am starting to detest.