I know there are a few "super" stars in porn that are African American, but I have to say, that oh, 80% of all porn I've seen that have black men in it is either:
1)POOR quality! lightening, sound etc.
2)Frankly, they is ugly!
3)Doesn't seem to have any "plot" to it..just directly to all action.
When black men KNOWN..or should that be "known" for their SIZE, I'm suprised there's not more SUPER stars out there in the African American society.
Slade,
I was actually doing some research in to the gay black niche the other week and, for the most part i tend to agree with you :)
The one thing however that i really couldnt get my head around was the apparant lack of gay black models out there, all things being equal, you would imagine that there would be just as many black gay men as there are white guys.
Regards,
Lee
I think this is SLOWLY changing. Chi Chi LaRue and Doug Jeffries have been instrumental in bringing more color to the porn business, with not only blacks and Latinos (Jeffries' specialty), but Asian as well (Brandon Lee is a Rascal exclusive). Chi Chi has always used black models in her vids. Jeffries just directed "Lights & Darks," which was a movie pairing white guys with men of color. Grey Rose Productions is also really doing their part to bring more black men into the fold. They started a whole line devoted to African American men.
I wonder if perhaps black men and other men of color just think that there is not a place for them in porn b/cuz of how they've been handled in the past...???
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I wonder though, rather than them thinking that there isnt a place for them, it could be that they are scared of how the black community will view them, from what i recall, being gay and black, in that community has more stigma attached to it than being gay and white does so im wondering if it is more a 'black community' thing that a 'gay community' thing?
Perhaps we could get a couple of the guys we have on GWW who would know about this to chime in a little, Diesel, do you have any input on this topic?
Regards,
Lee
From what I know about it “being on the down-low” is very common in the black community. I just think the big problem is most are not able to be proactive and make quality movies ECT for them self’s. Most of the people that join ebony sites are not black, hell not many black people online at all. They are just lagging behind and paying the price.
Diesel is on his way to visit a cousin in Florida, so he probably won't see this for a couple days.
We have had this discussion, and he indicated to me that there is definitely an inclination to be "on the downlow" for gay black men, when it comes to being involved in porn online. I think they can be more open about it if they are in str8 porn, but there is definitely an apprehension about being associated with an openly gay site.
Well I think you could say that about all most every str8/BI guy no mater what race. I would really be shocked to learn it was harder to get black people to do gay porn that anyone else, in fact I bet it would bet it’s easier, allot of them are cash needy. Maybe one solo set and I think they would be ready to go, but I don’t really know first hand.
from slade: "Frankly, they is ugly!" a racist remark? that made me feel really sad :( i wasn't suprised by maxpower's horrible racist comment, which btw, is wrong.
are you looking at different gay porn than i am? a while ago, i ordered a bunch of stuff from wwc and the guys are fucking hot, and if there isn't an overall plot (although there often is), there are plots within each scene. and wwc has lots of black gay content. dennis lincoln comes to mind first as a name gay pornstar who looks good.
aside from that, a lot of the black porn in straight is black women with white men. and when you go to companies like ounique, you'll see the same - VERY few black women with black men. aside from guys like lex steele and mr marcus, it appears that either the porn companies or the black pornstars would rather not have black guys on video.
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Okay at least it wasnt just me that thought that.Quote:
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Regards,
Lee
Sorry if I implied there was a lager poverty problem in the black community.
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ACK! You did NOT just go there! Oh my...
Well, this may be true, but you know how it is: To speak of it is usually considered rather tacky and vulgar just the same.Quote:
Sorry if I implied there was a lager poverty problem in the black community.
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I don't think Slade was saying all black men are ugly, just some of the ones they use in gay porn. And, for the record, I would have to agree with him. I've seen a lot of porn using black men where the guys are not pretty at all. But then I'm also of the mindset that a LOT of gay porn stars -- black, white, Asian, Latino, or whatever -- are not all that attractive. Mostly the twinks. Emaciated, scrawny boys who look like they haven't eaten in weeks. Nasty.Quote:
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Well, this may be true, but you know how it is: To speak of it is usually considered rather tacky and vulgar just the same.[/QUOTE]
I know allot of people think that, but if we can not even talk about the problem how are we going to do anything about it. Being “politically correct” can be taken to far, but I will drop it.
ken, did you miss something?
"they is ugly!"
he's mimicking black speech in a way that i found pretty offensive. slade has been posting here for a long time, and his comments are always proper english. surely amos and andy were over years ago. is there a reason to bring that shit back?
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Just for the record I do have black and Latino friends
that's pretty much what conservative racists used to say in the 60's - "some of my best friends are black" became used as a catch phrase about racists who wanted to come off like they weren't racists. in fact, i bet some of them really believed they weren't...
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
here's an entire site built as a parody of that kind of remark.
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Haha. For the record, I find that statement a little more offensive than the other one.
Anyone can have black and Latino friends. Doesn't mean you are any less of a racist. Not that I'm calling you a racist. I'm just sayin'...
I would quit while you're not so ahead, maxpower. Just let this one go. :)
I am going to quit, but not sure I was ahead at the time
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BTW I think that site was one of the most racist things I have ever seen, what if I made a site called whitepeopleloveus.com/ but that’s my last word on this
from a "content" perspective i don't get many requests for "black" photo/video or many "black" model applicants.
i find it interesting at times that some of my models are so "mixed" that even when they list their "racial-background" it isn't often what you "see" so hiring someone simply because they list white/black/asian/hispanic is incomplete data.
sincerely ..."you can kiss my white/european/hawaiian/chinese/portugese a**!"... :goof:
Oh get off your fucking soapbox basschick. It gets a little tiring when you go on your preaching campaign at times. And if you are going to direct something to me..do it CORRECTLY!Quote:
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What I said was that a LOT of the black films I have seen (have you seen the ones I've seen..have you watched them WITH ME? NO! Then shut your fucking mouth up if *I* render an opinion that *I* find a certain character to be "UGLY". It is NOT racist..it's my own PERSONAL views. I've said the same about white, latino, asian etc. in the past.) did not have men in them that I found attractive! If I were a racist, I wouldn't even be WATCHING THE DAMN movie to begin with would I? Don't try to drag this into something it is NOT!
Off my soapbox now. ;)
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Thank you very much!
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YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
I'M FALLING ON THE FLOOR LOL MY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I *CANNOT* BELIEVE YOUR POST!!
You thought I was MIMICKING black speech with what I typed? Jesus Christ girlfriend..you are REALLY reaching, and if ANYONE should feel offended right now..it is ME! And frankly lady, you DO OWE ME AN APOLOGY FOR THIS CRAP YOU'VE POSTED ABOUT ME WHICH IS ALL PATENTLY UNTRUE!!
Hey Patti!
One last thing..If I'm a racist..would I own the domain gaysofcolor.com?
I've seen you post a lot of dumb shit on this board, but your posts about me ranks up their (well, it's rank to begin with) with the worst of them!
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ACK! Really Slade, was all that necessary? In Patti's defense, I think she was merely posing the question, as opposed to accusing you of anything outright.
I do, however, see a trend among some folks in the adult industry. What's with all the self-righteous sermonizing? People are so quick to jump on their high horses about everything from barebacking to erotic fiction depicting children having sex to, well, whatever they can find out there to sermonize about. A lot of the time, it really smacks of judgmental hypocrisy. Isn't there a way for people to express their opinions about things without all the jabs at those who don't agree with them? I tend to think that if anyone should be promoting the right of others to share their opinions (no matter how different than ours), it's those of us in the adult business. But maybe that's the inherent problem in this business. Are people just sitting around waiting for someone to do or say something we disagree with so that we can climb on top of the horse and condemn them as a way of taking the focus off on our own "sins"? Is this our way of saying "Well, I might be in adult, but at least I'm not doing THAT"???
Let's try to stop with all the name-calling and the finger-pointing. We're all in the same business. We're ALL dirty perverts. Obviously, not everyone will agree with each other, but in the end, shouldn't we be able to give each other the benefit of the doubt before accusing each other of being racists or sickos or whatever it is we find about someone to be distasteful? We really shouldn't be using this board as a way to attack others, even if they say something that we don't like.
I dunno. That's just my $.02.
Was all that necessary? You got to be kidding.Quote:
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I think being called a racist on a public board deserves a stern response.
And it's sooo easy to say "it was just a question..I REALLY didn't mean to cast any bad light on you by asking that question."..after you obviously have done just that.
slade, you certainly have some wonderful english skills, so where does "they is ugly" come from? i've heard lots of rednecks make that same kind of remark.
mostly the same people who make jokes about black people using that kind of speech also make a lot of fag jokes, too. is one more okay than the other to you? 'cause if so, i guess i can't see it.
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Oh come on! Here is the truth..just TODAY a friend and I were out going through a thrift store (yeah..even webmasters go to thrift stores) and my friend showed me these 3 ties he found. He said "Hey look..only a quarter each!" And I said (TRUE), "Yeah..but they is ugly!"
"They is ugly" happens to be part of my vocabulary when I want someone to know I REALLY find something ugly.
Now I suppose you're going to tell me I have it in for ties now!
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I'm just saying there are other ways of addressing your concerns without telling someone to "shut [their] fucking mouth."
And I have to admit, when I first read "They is UGLY," I had the same reaction that Patti did, but I didn't want to say anything about it b/cuz I didn't want to presume to prescribe erreneous intentions behind it. I certainly don't think you are a racist, but I did think your choice of wording was just a little suspect.
Anyway, I shouldn't be getting involved in this. It's between you two. Carry on. :)
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Well, it's one way to word it as you did..and another to handle it the way Patti is handling it.
Okay, gonna lock this thread, no need for drama, Slade, if you want to, you can PM Patti and work things out between yourselves :)
No need for others to be dragging themselves in to this and, for the record, i also did think of it the same way that Patti and Ken thought you meant it even though it is now clear that wasnt your intention, im sure if you contact Patti in private you guys will be able to work things out, neither of you is an unreasonable person and im sure you can understand where she was coming from as she now understands where you were coming from :)
Regards,
Lee