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Well, brace yourselves. I'm not sure exactly who this is involving, but on tomorrow's Oprah she's talking about a "boy who became a porn star" online using his webcam. This stuff is never good for the business.
http://www2.oprah.com/index.jhtml
Michael
another soapy show from Oprah. I wonder if he has a book to sell
It will all of course be biased, but there's also sites like Camarades (WW.com now) and some others that are tottaly free and people just go and show off.
Then there's MySpace where everyone's 14 year old daughter is trying to be cool by posing in her underwear and gets comments from her school mates.
I'll watch it if I don't forget but I already know how it's going to go :)
I think this is Justin Whatshisname, the guy who was written about in the New York Times who was jerking off on webcam at 13 and making 100G a year (he says) by the time he was 15.
He's been making the rounds.
Damn, I wonder if he got any cub scout medals for that. What an enterprising little fuck.
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Originally Posted by boyfunk
And you would be right, thats the only guy I know that would make a good story for that show
Yes, that's Justin on her site.
I don't think she will target the adult industry. This is probably going to be a "protecting your children online" show. I can't really think of any opening for her to bash online adult. He was never involved with anyone from the legit side.
Having Brent Corrigan on would have been 10 times worse for us.
I just heard a trailer for this show and it seems like it is in fact going to be a protecting children by not letting them have a webcam type show.
Regards,
Lee
who is justin whatshisname?
link?
His name is Justin Berry. He's 19 now, but was webcamming and jerking off for cash since he was 13.
There was a big article in NYT (it's archive only now, $4 to read it), but you can Google "justin berry" and read all the sordid details. Casey, who used to post here and did some freelance marketing for CollegeBoysLive, is apparently involved with it, and he is apparently in jail now, awaiting trial.
There's apparently a lot more to the story than what NYT said, though... I read some other articles and info, and it seems that Justin is nowhere near as much the "innocent boy led astray" as he's being portrayed, and it's rumored that he's working on a book and movie deal. From some of the articles I read, another story emerges, that of the kid as a very conniving entrepreneur who knew exactly what he was doing, encouraged other underage kids to join in the activities and profited from their work, and allowed or set up the adults working with him to take the fall...
Who knows what's true and what isn't, but it's all pretty disgusting in my book... no matter what the deal is, anything involving underage kids, whether they are 13 or 17, is not OK. At least in this case, the feds are actually doing something about it.
I know its illegal for underage kids to take and distribute nude pics of themselves, sounds like to me that he knew exactly what he was doing
The show was sorta interesting, the details were so few that it wasn't terribly enlightening. They mentioned a processor, but not by name. I think any parent that allows a kid to have a webcam should wake up.
One more reason I won't even talk to a possible cam guy, unless he is 25.
The most disturbing thing was the format of the show. As the hour wore on, the segments got shorter and the commercial breaks more numerous. I actually timed the segments and breaks at the end... the shortest segment was 1 minute, surrounded by 4 mins of commercials. Jeesh, how do people sit through that shit?
Regarding the book deal, he said he gave up the book offer to be on Oprah to save kids from his terrible experience. Yeah, right. Now he has more publicity and the offer from a book or movie deal will be bigger.
Sorry but, what terrible experience was it? The cash he made, I don’t think he was escorting or anything, just JO on cam. I personally think the only terrible experience as far as he sees it was getting busted.
We're in the porn business.
Anything that goes wrong is our fault.
We deserve anything bad that happens to us, no matter how unjust.
That's the public view, we all know that.
On a side note: After reading the blurb on the Oprah website is looks so dramatic, her holding the webcam and saying "By hooking up his webcam, Justin unintentionally became a fresh face in a dark world where men prey on vulnerable teenagers and children." What a joke. "Six years ago, Justin was a typical "boy next door." Between homework and band practice, he found time to run a legitimate small business creating websites. A self-described "computer nerd," Justin was excited to get an inexpensive webcam. He planned to use the simple tool—a video camera that connects to the Internet—to meet friends and chat with girls. Justin joined a popular website and posted his profile. "
The processor in question is Neova.net. The owner of Neova, whose name I don't remember, was friends with Casey and the other guy who just pled guilty, and, according to the Feds, had some connections with an ISP that was hosting CP.
Apparently Neova processed (they claim unknowingly) for a bunch of sites featuring underage models. They also claim to have found some loophole around the Visa regulations and don't do the high risk registration for their clients. However, no one has formally accused Neova or its owner of anything criminal, though they are apparently under investigation.
Methinks with all the publicity, Visa will be taking a closer look.
Also, regarding Justin, according to the NYT article, he did meet on a semi-regular basis with some of his webcam clients and got paid to have sex, so he was in the escorting side of the biz as well... this, also, before he was 18. He claims that some of them stalked him and now he's "in danger" for turning in the hundreds of people that paid money for him to provide his various services.
What I liked about the show was it showed parents how they really need to pay more attention to what their kids are doing. Here was Justin doing everything he did and his mother worked as a counsellor working with kids who were sexually abused. She didn't even she it happening to her own son.
I found it really odd that she wasn't on the show with him.
And they left things hanging about Justin's dad. What happened? Was he arrested? Charged?
And Paypal's probably scrambling to do some damage control.
So many holes in that story though.
Michael
I would not say this kid was abused from what was said in here he sounds like a hoe. From nude JO shows, to prostitution, to a internet pimp, to becoming and nark, now people feel sorry for him? Sounds like to me he’s the one that should be in jail. I was 16 or what ever too I know what was up, as I am sure he did, its not easy to run a online company and if he could do that he’s certainly not some innocent victim in all of this.
There was one major detail they conveniently left off the show. They stated that 1,500 men (which they kept referring to as pedophiles) had memberships at the Mexico website. What they didn't tell you was the site had the usual 2257 over 18 statement. So these people may not have known he was 16.
Archive.org confirms this (Jan 25, 2004). There is also a surfer board (eb15.com) about webcam sites, and numerous former members of his site state that he told them he was 18. So are these people truly guilty of buying CP if they were told he was 18?
Out to help others by turning down a book deal and coming on Oprah? No way! He and that reporter are probably writing a book right now that will deal with Justin's life and protecting your kids online. Then Oprah will put it into her book club. This kid is going to be a millionaire, when he should be headed to prison for helping to operate a CP site.
Also, now would be a good time think about NEVER promoting any amateur operated twink webcam sites. This isn't like promoting a professional studio's webcam site where you know they have verified model ID's. These amateur cam boys answer to nobody. You have no idea how old they really are.
Even if they are 18 now, who's to say they don't have content on there that was self-produced two years prior? Who's to say an 18yo cam boy doesn't have a 17yo friend on cam?
You DON'T want to be promoting such a site, or you could end up like Casey. He started marketing the site (salary or affiliate, I don't know) after Justin turned 18, but underage content remained. Casey allegedly used the said content as promo material on his own site (which brought on his distribution of CP charges). Maybe he knew, maybe he didn't know. Point is, you could find yourself in the same position if you become an affiliate and promote the wrong site.
So stick with professional producers.
GREAT post Matt thanks for the insight!
I agree with Michael about the show being good to get parents to be more responsibile with their children online, and in general. Although, in this kids particular case, he admited to hiding everything very well, intercepting packages, etc. etc. So at the end of the day, if your kid is a greedy, manipulative liar, he's likely to fool you regardless.
Stereotypically the adult industry is satan and Gay men are pedophiles (pathetic) BUT it might save some kids from being molested, does that make it all ok? I think if someone saw a kid at 13 jacking off on cam they'd be able to tell he's underage and if that's the case they are pedos.
Another thing... why don't they refer to the thousands of men that bought Tracy Lords tapes as pedophiles? I don't get it.
Where was the kid's mother? Shouldn't she have been sitting right there beside him on the stage?
Sure, they interviewed her on tape. But I think her absence from the show is such a telling detail.
Michael
Yeah, I wondered why the mother was only on tape. I think there is a lot more to the story than what they were able to do in an hour.
The fundamental issue they based the show on was a 13 year old honor student that got a webcam and then after taking $50 from some guy online to take off his shirt, it started a series of events that should be scary to parents.
I'm sure he became a willing participant in the entire business side of it, but would it have happened at all if he had never gotten the webcam? Probably not.
I'm sure the NYT writer and the kid are working on a book. Hopefully it won't become another "million little pieces" fiasco for Okra.
i couldn't find any decent pics of him online(surprise!)
only blurry pic of him being 'born again':wacko: (where's a barf smilie when u need one! hint hint)
was he cute?
this kid got off scot free? wow! though i suppose he'd say ANYTHING to avoid prison
Wasn't there something about the father knowing and helping the kid or something? In a NYTimes article wasn't it that broke the story?
On the show, Justin said that someone at his school found his site and circulated a video of him. Humiliated, he took off to Mexico to visit his father, who lived there. He didn't return to his mother's home, he stayed on with his father. Justin said that when he told his father what he had been doing, his father allegedly said, "How can I help you make more money?"
I don't recall how long Justin said his father helped him.
Mark my words, Oprah's going to be doing a "eating crow" show sometime within the next year. I don't think we've finished hearing the whole story.
Cheers,
Michael
The little drama queen was not abused, by any means. If anything, he is the abuser. He made a lot of money, but his time is over and now he wants the world to know what he had to do (oops, what he had been through) to get what he wanted... and of course to extend his little venture.
When I first read the article (NYTimes or some other rag), all I could think was here is a person that knows how to sell himself!
Girls, younger than that little bastard, all over the world are forced to hook.
OhP(lease) is another that knows how to sell to the mainstream populous.
As far as I am concerned, that person knew exactly what he was doing, such as paying off his Pa (to keep his trap shut) and asking his viewers to hook him up. When a female does what he did, society is kind enough to tag them as a whore or escort, but when people, blinded by his age (not remembering some people mature sooner than others) hear about a boy doing the exact same, the floodgates open.
What an entrepreneur!
Anyone following all the latest news on this kid testifying before congress? Normally I would feel bad for a kid in this situation but something about him and his story seems very odd.
He had clearly been coached on how to read that speech to Congress, which was probably also written by the reporter.
Larry King, Abrams Report, Nancy Grace, O'Reilly, etc... This was everywhere yesterday. Then of course the "experts" come on these shows and link children to the adult side.
He's pretty much on a promotional pre-release book tour right now.
I feel bad for the 13-15yo Justin, but not the 16-18yo Justin. He was old enough to know he was committing crimes by that age, old enough to go back home to his mom if he was in such misery.
I still want to know how he got to Mexico in the first place. His mom just let her only son move to another country? Come on...
was it just me or did it look like he was dressed in a $1000 suit. I saw him testify and couldn't get over the striped suit he wore that looked like something you'd find in a Joseph Abboud store
seems that people are starting to ask questions about this justin kid.
here is another news artical that asks soem probing questions and seems to have reserched and got soem answers
http://www.queerplanet.us/moxie/news...0306-001.shtml
I watched the CSPAN rerun of Justin's appearance before Congress. What I thought was interesting is that the kid's lawyer and the guy from NY Times were telling the Congressmen, "Look, we turned over 1500 names, addresses and credit card numbers of child predators. The Justice Dept has only pursued two. Why are they not going after these guys?"
I think it just proves that the 2257 bullshit is really NOT about protecting kids.
Finally a article that tells it "fair and balanced". We should forward this article to Oprah and have them do more research before they defend or tell one's, one sided story.
Sorry, for hearing it the first time on Oprah, it raised all kinds of red flags with me. I don't understand why Oprah's people couldn't see through it and further investigate the other side of the story.
Media reporting now a days is really going down hill. This story had all kinds of holes and red flags with it and people just reported whatever Justin said, didn't even investigate the other side of it. You shouldn't have to watch 5 different news networks and read 10 different publications to get some sort of real truth to a story.