I think gay men that are * out * don't really pay for memberships online!? what do you think ? I think the people who pay for memberships are married closet cases for closet in general.... your thoughts?:love:
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I think gay men that are * out * don't really pay for memberships online!? what do you think ? I think the people who pay for memberships are married closet cases for closet in general.... your thoughts?:love:
Are we cheap or simply more demanding in what we pay for? :coffee:
I think that in allot of cases that’s very true, like most women they are not very willing to take chances and anything new “not counting sex” really inhibits them.
Also I think their is a real atmosphere in the gay community of not wanting to help or contribute to any other gay people making money or at least more money than them selves, which all comes back to self hatred thing but that’s a whole nother thread :borg:
true, I ask cuz i have friends that are not really making alot of money anymore. I think so much free porn is the cause ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gaystoryman
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Originally Posted by maxpower
You think ? I've never seen it that way but it doesn't mean it's not that way. Who knows!
I don’t believe in absolutes, but from my experience that is a real problemQuote:
Originally Posted by curiousbunny
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Originally Posted by curiousbunny
The free porn thing is a big problem for us and str8 porn companies too that I really do wish we could all do away with, but that’s not just a gay oriented traffic problem
they should just go back to pictures and not movie previews ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Maybe, or maybe we're just more savvy and know of places to go online to hook up. Craigslist m4m hookups areas are rocking and those are free.
Manhunt is only $10 a month and you can search for the guy you want and hook up for real sex, as many times as you want. And m4m4sex.
I'm convinved that hooking up with guys online is a big reasons why the gay bars arent as busy anymore as they used to be
I personally buy porn online but only pay per view theaters, so I know exactly what Im getting and only pay for exactly what I watch.
I very rarely sign up for paysite memberships anymore, unless there a guy on the tour who fits EXACTLY what I want and trips a trigger in me.
Bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
IF that was remotely true then this very forum wouldn't exist. Perhaps the real reason You don't get any help is because of blanket statements like that one. Maybe you have loads of self hatred but I sure as hell don't and I can think of several who participate on this board who don't have any 'self hatred' issues.
This entire community and several others are built around doing exactly what you claim our 'entire community' doesn't do. How many straight sites have health links on them? Many gay sites do, so I guess that's just part of us hating ourselves right?
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Originally Posted by maxpower
I take it you do believe in absolutes hu? or are you just looking for something to act like a bitch about? You really need to think about some help man all that anger is going to make you all fat and unhappy oppps too late
pft no way gay guys love their pr0n and dont mind paying for it :kiss:
(Sorry for editing your quote, hun!)Quote:
Originally Posted by gaystoryman
I agree!
If anything, the 'straight' community is less likely to extend a TRULY CARING hand, to those that need. Sure, they will help any person that can reciprocate (aid them in getting a leg up in life, or the so-called 'playas'), but when a n00b reaches out, their hand is quickly scorched then severed, by angst and ridicule.
I left a certain board because I found the level of hate was beginning rubbing me (nooo, not like that, which is the other reason I fled ... no free love!) the wrong way!
No matter my sexual orientation, I feel myself every ... uh, I feel more welcomed here, than I did at 99% of the other boards. People here really do not care about your post count or your annual earnings - most here listen to what you have to say, that is until you pee on someone's parade.
At least that is what I have seen, since I've squeezed my way in.
Regarding whether or not straight traffic/member's spend more: Straight typically are embarrassed about their 'habit' also do not care about the quality of the site, only how quickly they can 'rub one out'. They do tend to spend more on up sells (DVD, toys, penis enlargement etc), which I believe is due to the 'mad rush factor' (best buy as much as they can before the wife walks in on them and their favourite towel, or before they begin to feel guilty).
Gay members (excluding those that have yet celebrated their liberation) are in no rush, nor are they embarrassed about pleasure.
That, more or less, is how I feel, myself ;)
... about the topic.
over the years i've heard from many out and gay members of paysites i've been affiliated with. if anything, my gay stuff still sells better than twice as well as my str8 stuff - we're talking pure conversion ratio here.
there are 8 zillion websites out there so we have to let our marketing and strategies evolve. i know people who are marketing the same way they were 2 years ago, and they're making less and less money.
free porn can be a great marketing tool IF you know how to do it. that means if your galleries or free sites don't sell, you don't give up - you read some boards, look at the changes going on around you and change how ya do it.
there's a str8 board and everyone there agrees you can't make sales on thehun. they are 100% convinced and sure of this. the fact that i and many of my buddies make 5- 8 sales or more on day 1 of a hun listing gets ignored. the truth is the people on that board listen to this one designer whose galleries just don't work. they all adjust what they're doing so their galleries are more like that designers and none of them make sales. then they all say that galleries don't make sales.
i guess the short version is if what you're doing doesn't work, try something else. the gay market is still spending better than th str8 market :)
In all honesty retaining members is not really that big of a problem for me, I keep about 65-70% of them “not sure what the average is” but resonantly my sales have been very hot and cold, mainly only spanking around payday the 1st and 15th of the month. I personally think their are many factory why it is harder to make a living selling to gay traffic, but like everything the truth is in the middle. Personally I believe the biggest problem for all of us this the devaluation of pictures and proliferation of free content at every turn. As it become easier and easier for everyone to get what they need too get off for free less and less people are going to be willing to pay for anything long term at all. In 10 years going at this rate with out some major advances in paid content features most of us will have to look for other work or just survive on allot less.
dang, i leave for a few and drama starts LOL JKQuote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
what's your site address max?
Well that's a negative stereotype if I ever heard one. People who are reduced to paying for website memberships are "married closet cases" ? Why not also say that Jews lord over their money, and Mexicans are lazy? Or gay people molest schoolkids?Quote:
Originally Posted by curiousbunny
Also - does your question imply that as someone who is not a married closet case, you are enlightened enough to be stealing all your porn without paying for it?
I'm sorry.... that's just my reaction to a question like that.
Steve
No! I agree that maybe its cuz gay people who are out don't care and just hookup online for releif as someone mentioned earlier! When I say closet cases I dont mean it in a mean way so don't get all sensitive on me missy! I was once closeted lol. I am just trying to say that's their only releif possibly to just look at gay sex online.Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
¡Si, mi reyna!
Well I guess I know what you mean.... discreet. But I wouldn't draw those conclusions. Maybe someone wants some gay porn because they are married to a girl. Hell, there's plenty of guys who probe into porn as a release from their boyfriend.
I can also utilize my friendships with escorts to say that, yes, many of their paying clients are older, married guys being discreet.... but it's inaccurate to stereotype. There's also plenty of guys who are openly gay, young and old, cute and ugly, fat and thin, who choose to lay out thier cash for a night of sex. That's the beauty of the market.... your options are endless! All to match an endless array of tastes.
I guess your topic has touched nerves! Oh well.... sometimes making things dicey keeps it interesting.
Steve
ok i say anyone who is pissed off takes a pc break and go for a walk :) or watch some porn and jo lol
Already took my break hun.. :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by curiousbunny
Maxie you really do have a knack for being a pratt. Am I happy? Damn straight boy, I have a great life. I have a wife who loves me for the last 10 years now, and I have a job that excites me, challenges me and makes me a very nice income. So yep me very happy, even with Stephen Harper winning, I am glad to live in Canada and do what I do.
Fact is Sean, you think everyone is as narrow minded and paranoid as you obviously appear to be. Thing is, many of us live happy lives without the drama you seem to crave, simply because we are too busy enjoying life itself. Whether its going skiing or walking along the breakwater or redoing flooring, we enjoy our lives and the people in them.
This community is filled with helpful people, for those who desire it. People like Dzinbear and Xtrastr8 have done a lot here. Desslock has given tons of advice and then there is Lee with his articles and just having this board, not to mention Luke and his 2 cents worth now and then. The help is there Maxi if you bothered to look for it instead of attempting to impress.
As for myself, I have given plenty of time in helping people. I am not ashamed of my sites or work either, unlike you who won't tell anyone what site you have that retains 70%. Though if you have 800 dead accounts one has to wonder how you can claim that figure, but hell, not like we care really.
Not me that is the unhappy camper here Maxie, you just don't know how to play nice with others.
I'm just gonna touch on the original thread. I believe gay surfers are just not finding what they want. Think about how diverse the sexual appetite is for gay men. It's vast to say the least. Now look at what's out there. One type of guy. The typical v shaped, athletic, model fucking or sucking the typical v shaped, athletc, other model. Sure, there's alot of guys that like that and that's great but for millions of gay men who find that boring, there really aren't that many sites out there that cater to tastes outside that realm. The gay side is so homoginized and generic, no wonder gay guys are tuning out and hooking up instead.
That's a very good point! I am not familiar with vintage porn but I think alot of hot guys are doing porn now cuz they are more open-minded to the idea. we see alot of "hot" guys on all the gay porn sites out there. The golden question here is what's the next hot thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskyhunks
I think of porn products as food products. What do people like to eat? Some people enjoy stopping to eat at Wendy's, while others detest it. Food choice is a matter of taste, and not really something you force or pursuade someone to like.... either it tastes good or it doesn't.
Some people happily spend their money on a membership to Sean Cody, while others would prefer AWOL Marines.
And food illustrates just how broadly just one single item is consumed. Never mind all the kinds of foods; just look at hamburgers. Here in Austin, if I want a hamburger I can go to McDonalds and spend two bucks on one. Or in contrast, I can go to East Side Cafe, a cozy gay-owned restaurant and spend $8.00 on one. Now what do I get out of "hamburger" that makes me sometimes pay four times the price of McDonalds? or Wendys... or even Chili's, etc......
And with all the places to buy hamburgers in this town.... is it still possible for an entreprenuer to open up a new restaurant that serves hamburgers? Sure! So even though we might consider one type of market in the adult business saturated, I think it's plain that the comsumers' appitities are never filled.
That means even if something's been done a million times before, any one of us could awaken tomorrow and build a twink site that will go gang-bang-busters.
The adult market products, like our websites, are perfect opportunites to add all kinds of value. That means you can offer something exactly like everyone else, or strike out with your own distictiveness simply by how your organize your site and select your content...but I think you have to have a specific consumer in mind.
Of course, I will always go back to the East Side Cafe for their eight dollar cheeseburger. Everyone around you is eating their enchiladas verde or grilled mahi mahi with glasses of wine. (everything there is great, it's a great first date restaurant)
But their cheeseburger is incredible.
They use this absolutely flawless grade of beef. They cook it any way you want it. The lettuce and tomato was picked out of their organic garden earlier, so its perfect. The physical burger is huge and cheesey.... not greasy mind you... it's exquisitely prepared Then you substitute the home fries with a leafy green side salad topped with their own creamy feta salad dressing, and you have one supurb meal. :thumbsup:
Steve
what really does my head in is.. who subscribes to "shemale" & "girls fucking guys" sites? They are clearly not targetted towards a gay audience, even though most people here would probably agree that guys cross dressing and getting fucked up the ass is pretty damn gay.
All the big str8 programs with 50 billion cookie cutter sites have a ton of shemale sites so they must convert.
The only thing i can rationalize is this.. as long as there is a girl, or the concept of a girl somewhere in the picture, then its "not gay".
A guy could be getting all of his holes gang banged by a team of football players, but as long as there is a girl watching, its "not gay" :D
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Originally Posted by _ap_
LOL !!!! "chicks with dicks" I have an acquitance that "he/she" cross dresses and she told me how shocked she was the first time she got into a straight chat room. She got like a ton of messages from "STR8" men saying they loved CD/TV/TS. She even found herself a hot jock bf lol
hahaha no way, maybee I should buy a pink frock.
does that mean (s)he has to sleep with makeup on, or is a picture of a girl watching them sleep enoguh to make it "not gay"?
It may seem gay in our comfy Anglo American culture....or "closeted"Quote:
Originally Posted by _ap_
However, trannies are very popular south of the border. Brazil Mexico
Here in Austin or San Antonio, there are trannies at the dance bars, and they always have an entourage of beautiful young guys around them. They are all friends. Gender bending makes up a big part of latin culture. Even with mainstream film, don't forget Kiss of the Spider Woman.
Steve
Heh, see what cocaine and coffee does to you. :mexican:Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
Perhaps it is a part of the Portuguese legacy, like leaving that poor country with legacies like the Napoleonic Code and a near dead language.Quote:
Originally Posted by _ap_
Steve
Desslock,
My point was, people get tired of hamburgers :)
and so they eat ass instead, which is perfectly fine, as long as they eat it near a hamburger :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Huskyhunks
So, is that snort a rail of Juan's finest and use de yeyo as whitener?Quote:
Originally Posted by _ap_
*sniff, jitter jitter*
[rub my nose, scratch my arm & lick my lips]
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Originally Posted by _ap_
Oh dear ... I just about bucked! Can y'all please stop the yammering, about McDumpsters.
i agree with husky....
the gay market needs a bit of more creative/new porn...
when i go to the photos books section in a gay bookplace...
i have always the impression that all the books are done by the same photographer....
using the same kind of models....
the internet feels a bit of the same sometimes...
people are hungry for new stuff...always will be
my husband doesn't pay. Or at least pr0n sites.
he smirks when I say he keeps downloading shit off of wherever he gets his pron from.
But I think his has to do with conveniance as opposed to being cheap. Stuff getting in his mailbox rather than hunting for it. He spent about $40 for some crappy calendars and the Brokebak Mountain CD (pffft) so cheapness has probably nothing to do with it. Although some porn sites out there charge funny rates for bunch of plug-in crap and cheap Ounique sets
When I ask him he says most sites lack convenience and variety so he hangs out at the yahoo groups. Or did a while back.
Now me ... I can count the sites I've paid for on my 10 fingers. And not because I'm cheap but because I am really, really, really picky. Really. If all people were like me nobody would make money at all.
Also TGPs - so much free stuff floating around that I'd be crazy to spend money. It's extremely easy to get off on TGPs alone
So I think, having free stuff floating around, having lots of sites competing, lots of crappy sites also, TGPs and so on it contributes to a lot of people just not spending the money