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I know we've brought this topic up from time to time, and I even did a search and read over some older threads ... but what can you guys tell me about what the surfer wants or needs (besides the wanking part) from seeing sites that promote straight men as all of, or the majority of, the content offered? What's the attraction/angle?
Gee Bec, that's a hard one! Sorry...
As a gay man, I've never had the urge to convert or go after those forbidden fruits, if you will... however, I would imagine the natural male urge to conquer and "conquest" would come into play. You know, achieving the unatainable.
Well, the alure of forbidden fruit is one of the angles I've considered also. Mostly I'm needing some help on how to "talk" on a new site I put up over the weekend: www.juststraightcocks.comQuote:
Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo
Do I just talk like I would to gay guys as they'd be the higher % looking at it or take a different tact?
I would think that you'd want the str8 guys to be major cock teases if you really wanted to appeal to gay men. Make them out to be pretty damn straight, but always leave that one tiny little door of possibility open for "conversion." All the str8 bartenders I know rake in major tips b/cuz they know how to work their clientele. They play up the "I'm straight but not narrow" angle and drop flirty hints all the time, and the gay men eat it up.
Personally, I think it's all rather silly, but oh well... what can you do?
My feature story examining this very topic is finally being published in the June issue of AVN Online. Some people from this site are participants. I think it turned out pretty good.
Ah, I hadn't thought about the str8 guy coming on in a flirtatious manner- good point! Thanks for that idea!
most of the gay men i know don't want their straight guys to leave that door a little open. a guy who seems like he just might be available isn't making himself unattainable and he won't trigger those conquering urges.
check out some of the comments from last year about fucking straight guys - getting them to do it was a major challenge and an accomplishment. a guy who smiles and winks at you isn't going to seem like much of a challenge ;)
Tell that to my str8 bartender friends who are rolling in GREAT tips. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
You just have to know how to work it. You can't be coy or precious about it; you have to give them just enough that it gives the tiniest hint of a doubt about how straight someone really is. Just like any woman can use her flirty charms with a man, then totally pull back. Cock teasing is a time-honored tradition in our culture. You just have to be subtle about it. It can't come off as insincere, nor can you be over the top with it.
i've made my feelings on the subject known. I can't stand the whole thing and it makes me kinda ill.
We shoot almost exclusively straight men on Fratmen, and we stopped making a big deal about it ages ago. It just felt kinda smarmy.
I don't even shag straight men anymore, and I used to all the time... it got boring.. yeah, sure, it wasn't THAT hard to get a straight guy to give it up, but they were never very good at it, and they were always weird after.
ok, not sure why, but that confuses me. If your site is mostly straight guys, then what would you tell me about how to market fratmen.tv? I have to assume the site is geared to gay men and the pink dollar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
that's the beauty of it.. is that no.. it's not.
the appeal of our men isn't that they're straight.. it's that they're astoudingly hot. When the models are as hot as the guys we've got, their sexual orientation doesn't matter.
We're not a "gay" site, really. We have female members and gay members and a high number of Bi men who look at the site with their wives and girlfriends.
The reason we dont' need the gimmick of them being straight and unattainable is that people take one look at them and want them anyway.
Our members want to see hot men naked and that's what we show them. I think we've managed to trancend the whole "Straight guys" thing.
I think one of the thigns that drives my point home.. now that I think of it.. is that the highest converters that we have amongst our affilaites are the bloggers who post pictures of our guys and just go on about how hot they are.
There's no need to talk about his sexual orientation, although they often mention things like what sport he plays, how old he is, where he lives and any thing else out of the ordinary about him.
Honestly, straight guys who aren't that hot are a freaking dime a dozen on the adult internet these days. None of them will ever be Fratmen models.
If we find a model who's bisexual or gay and hot enough to be a Fratman.. well.. he's in. Why limit yourself to "Straight" men when you can limit yourself to "So hot he fell from heaven" men?
Ok, that actually makes a lot of sense ... you sure have me thinking -- "wow -- I want to see what he's talking about". Part pf me felt that the "straight men" angle was just because that's where everyone was finding the really hot looking men ... after all, there's more of them in the pond, so to speak!
Ok Bec, I need some help here…Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec
Real Straight Men don't have "Gay Sex"...that's why they're Straight - capisco?
I know there's that old saying "..the only thing that's keeping a straight man from acting out his gay fantasy is a 6 pack of beer" - or something like that - I think it was a bottle of Chianti but don't quote me on this!
Real straight men don't have sex with other men unless they're getting paid a LOT of money and they need it bad enough.
I've seen some pretty funny out takes from the "GAY 4 PAY" sites... straight guys screaming "GET IT OUT!! FUCK!!! THAT HURTS!!! SHIT!!!" and guys putting a dick in their mouth and immediately throwing up.. on the guy they're sucking off.
I've seen guys holding straight porn magazines and looking at them so they can keep it up while fucking a guy or getting sucked.
I've seen out takes of guys saying things like "This isn't worth fucking 5 grand".
Trust me.. straight guys do make gay porn.. but they don't like it.
but thanks to editors like me, you honestly believe that they're totally into it.
Well call them whatever you like, all the gay4pay we've hired and worked with say they are straight and may use "straight visual aids" to get off but how is a straight man straight if he has "gay" sex - money or not?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
it just don't make sense
Well, I would do a chick for 5 grand, but it wouldn't make me straight, that's for sure. ;) Works both ways, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo
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Originally Posted by HotMaleVideos
Exactly! Men can get off fucking anything. :)
That is exactly the site that I want to start, where no such things as "gay" or "straight" exist, and men just get off together -- not for the money, but just b/cuz they want to explore their sexuality in an exhibitionist manner. (Of course, they will get paid, but I don't want guys who wouldn't be into doing any of the stuff in the first place. I don't want guys who need straight mags to stay hard, b/cuz that's not authentic, and I simply don't want to present anything less than authentic sex in anything I do.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
I've purchased the domain DudesGettingOff.com, and I'm taking a class on how to build my own site, so sometime in the near future I won't just be someone who's writing about adult webamsters, but I'll be one myself. :)
Fuck knows I've had sex with women and I'm 100% gay.
But yes, there ARE a lot of sites that have immitation straight men, too.
I've had sex with lots of women for social status in high school.
The same way that there are hookers who are just as disgusted by the men that they're having sex with for money.
You're absolutely right!Quote:
Originally Posted by HotMaleVideos
Damn, I wish I'd known better when I was fuckin' chicks...
That's what I was suppose to do...the thought never crossed my mind...I should have charged and put it on film!
Hell, I would watch whatever you were filmed in. Gay or straight. :)
you PA guys are great...love Philly; my sis lives there and that's where HotMovies is...met them at the Forum...we just received our first check from them...their great and we love the stats which break everything down for us simple producer types...as a matter of fact...their stats are way easier than some of the others to follow and track!
Sorry I haven't been back to comment on all these great replies, my computer up and just shut down yesterday evening, and of course of all the pieces parts I have in this house, another power supply with the right board connectors wasn't one of them!!
I definately want to read each of these approaches over again, and see if I can put together the best line of "talk" for the blog. Right now, I'm pretty much of the mind of putting up guys I think are hot ... period, and they happen to be straight. :coffee:
Born and raised in PA here... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo
I've never BEEN to PA, but I HAVE one... :jasun:
I find some of the STR8 guy stuff entertaining. The stuff where they're stoned, staring off into space yankin on their dicks bores the shit out of me. It was cute the first 500 times someone did it...now it's just passe.
I think the Str8 boy stuff is appealing to a lot of guys because it reminds them of when they were coming out...the age of innocence before bathhouses, circuit parties, slings.... Where it was just a couple of horny guys seeing what's in each others' pants.
..."not all gay men are created equal"...
and because of that fact this question has many answers , i would say at present ( because i live for the now ) the "popular-appeal" would be "amatuer" ( filmed/photographed in outdoor/public places ) and "new-gay" ( twinks never go out of style , they just get bolder!..err..older! )
not that straight doesn't sell , but the straight-guy starring intently at the straight-porn playing on the t.v does not leave me hot and wanting more and/or the muscle-god displaying how many ways there are to twist and contort the human body just leave me with the sight of "where's the beef?" between his legs and/or i could go on and on...
best of luck finding the one answer to this question.
sincerely ~ ..."i want a man tall dark and handsome that i can do anything i want with , i won't be satisfied till he's roped and tied , and i've had something i can sink my teeth into"... - vanity
IntenseCash's new site BrokeStraightBoys is converting absolutely amazing for me. Conversions are at around 1:173 on TGP traffic which is usualy considered as crappy traffic...
I strongly recommend everyone to try this site if you didnt already. Check the screnshot in my sig below. Conclusion - straight guys are converting!
That qualifies as a spam post Zentz, I wasn't asking for straight sites to promote... I was asking about the best way to sell them "talk wise" to the surfer. Please stay on topic when replying to threads, spam only when someone directly requests program suggestions please.
Actually, that makes a lot of sense. I know that for myself, before finding a women's community, that I had absolutely no idea how to find other gay women. So in a sense, every woman had a certain "attraction level" ... and without knowing her orientation, she was certainly "unobtainable" at the same time. Quite a quandry back in the day ... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BijouWorld
yeah im sorry i read only topics. :turtle: