Hi,
where do you see the adult industry in 5-10 years? Will there be AVSes like in Germany (face to face checks)? Will there be a crackdown on pornography? Will people move?
What do you think?
:develish:
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Hi,
where do you see the adult industry in 5-10 years? Will there be AVSes like in Germany (face to face checks)? Will there be a crackdown on pornography? Will people move?
What do you think?
:develish:
Well I really hope non of that happens, maybe the AVS thing might be a good thing, but not really sure that will happen now. I definitely see the door closing for new start-up sites, with out large # of affiliates, I see most of the big sites lists beginning to list most if not all sites they have created themselves. I see AVS services being about the same as they are not if not a lot less with out help from the Gov or major advances in promotionally tour geared to individuality viewers, and a vast increases in features viewers really want. Basically I see the choking off of available and cost effective traffic, and at the sometime a growing unwillingness of a vast majority of viewers that will not be willing to pay for any adult member sites content, or at least becoming so fickle that really stable members will be so rare that site will have to be geared towards a revolving door type of system. God that is a bit depressing HU? :evil:
I think it will be 100% driven by technology. For instance, there should be some great VR stuff maturing into the marketplace by then. Plus I am sure there will be a new form of a personal communicator / entertainer unit that will replace mobile phones and be fully hooked into high broadband internet. And who knows, maybe there will be holographic porn for the true 3d feeling.
I could imageine some PDA-Broadband-Livecam chats...
at this moment ...i feel everybody is a bit pessimistic about the future due to stolen amount,the huge amount of frre stuff available but there is hope...
i mean an antistolen coding solution is surely going to be found ...the porn ,mainstream cinema,music industries will fight back with a technology i guess ...they need for survival reasons...
and there will always be room for quality/exclusive stuff.... people will always be ok to pay for that...
Well I think we are going to have to do allot better than PDA-Broadband-Livecam chats to turn around the trends man. I hope technology could save us too, but I also hope Santa will bring me what I want for Christmas and every year I get fucked. :santa:
I know its widely up popular with many, “most that rely of large numbers of affiliates sending small sales and clicks” but I think the only a major shift is going to do anything to change the trends, like NO XXX unpassword protected content at all. Pay to Play is the only way to go, we are all in a arms race that will kill us all in the end. But do I think that will happen? In a word NO
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Digital Rights Management (DRM) is here. Everything that goes out of our (virtual) doors is DRM Protected unless it is for marketing purposes. We are even exploring ways to give porn away that is DRM protected so as to retain ownership of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by donatien
In the future I see, everything is DRM protected, even the stuff being handed around on the P2P networks, but the studios/publishers will be able to track it to discover the exact uses of the end users which will enable them (us) to invent new ways to market porn and create more revenue.
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Originally Posted by 001010100110
I've seen porn-clips on emule being DRM protected - you must optain a licence to view them... usuall 1-2 MB in size is the clip
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Yeah I'll have a ton out there myself in a week. All I will require is their e-mail address for them to view the clips, and for them to join our mailing list.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEVELISH
unfortunately , drm is not ok for mac users ....
that's why some of us don't drm their content ....
True. The most current version of DRM, 10, isn't compatible, but 9 is although it is easier to hack. But with Apple Bootcamp and the recent reconciliation between the companies, that problem won't exist in a couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by donatien
Partitioning your computer to run both Mac and Windows is only a year or two away for mainstream markets. Everyone will be able to view DRMed content.
DRM is and, always has been over-rated.
The last 24 months many of the programs who embraced DRM technology at first and told the affiliate community that DRM protection was going to increase their sales have started to (or have completely) removed DRM from all of their content for the simple fact that, it was actually killing sales and rebills.
Yet, everyone proclaimed they were DRM experts when they started using it.
The problem is, DRM is still in its infancy and whilst there are a few companies who are using DRM to their advantage, the short term gains are okay but, the long term gains are pretty much non-existant.
Take a look at some of the larger review sites, any paysite that uses DRM protection on their content is scored much lower than sites that dont use DRM, why? Because surfers want to collect their porn and, they cant do that when DRM is in place.
Regards,
Lee
cell phone technologies are increasing and moving to the forefront and although i personally do not like them and/or see them being a threat to home theatre systems they are readily accessabile and easy to use for the consumer.
sincerely ~ ..."will you feast or starve on principle?"... :goof:
Why is it that any discussion about the future of the industry becomes a fixation on DRM and keeping content proprietary and possessed?
I think that the things to watch are how the industry continues to innovate. This will be spurred by technology and the quest to meet a greater number of tastes from more and more people around the world who only just recently have been able to watch porn online.
Steve
What tech do you think will rise? what gadgets would you like to see porn on and think will be consumed by our customers?Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
I believe india and china will be huge markets - eventhough very restricted ones as china already is...
... gadetwise I could imagine porn getting more mobile and HDTV will be a huge revenue-stream for the offline-industry since new players will have to be bought (Blue-Ray or HD-DVD) and people want to enjoy the fruits of HDTV
I do not see any of that helping, Asian traffic is notoriously very bad, I can see people blocking that traffic before I see it bring in any big sales. And portable devices are not going to help porn much, unless ya want to play with your self in public that is. Portable content would really need to be PG and just mainly fun. :gaydays:
How'bout live chats on your cell-phone?
Maybe if its not really porn, people are not going to want to look at porn in public, well a few will, but not very many. The portability will help game sites, and yes some chat stuff too, but not adult content.
I think in a couple years we might all have a foot or two in our mouths (and not those of us with a foot fetish). In fact, if you recall, Apple bawked at the idea of a video iPod a couple years back.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
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Originally Posted by 001010100110
Well maybe its just me, but why would anyone want to see hard-core porn on the bus, or in line at the DMV? I just don’t see a market for that, I can see some really soft-core stuff doing ok, with people like just like to “people watch” I have heard that is the most popular thing allot of people do. But why would you want to get all hard and bothered in the waiting room of your dentist
Good questions, and I just broke my crystal ball last week. I did just peer into my magic 8 ball and the triangle keeps floating up "Reply hazy, try again"Quote:
Originally Posted by DEVELISH
Seriously though - My take on the emerging countries, is that I would not bet on the newest emerging countries to make much of a difference for the adult market. I do not know about India, but we read the oppressive actions of China's government almost every day; they simply have no tradition whatsoever of porn as a legal business. I think sales in Europe have potential growth, and perhaps Latin America / Brazil.
One Asian country that I might think would possibly have an impact on adult sales would be Japan. It's much more industrialized compared to India, and potentially easier to market.
I think that retail's sales will minimize and the entire distribution will move online. I do not understand why major producers - like Rascal Video/Electro Video to single out an example - just can't be bothered with putting major releases online for people to watch.
It's only a matter of time before all produced movies are premiered online. The reason? Because you can just as easily got your product to your customers in Oswego, New York and Osaka, Japan.
Steve
i don't believe there's any way to really know where porn will be in 5 - 10 years. somewhere in there, there will possibly be a backlash and the average guy or gal will be sick of christian censorship. we'll have a different president, and several more attempts at new laws.
we have new very conservative supreme court justices to change our laws and not in favor of adult entertainment. but will they still be around? will more older people retire from the supreme court, and if so, will we end up with more alitos or someone reasonable?
one thing for sure - i don't know.
unfoortunately,i do not believe in brasil/latin america ...
i lived there almost 2 years,in sao paulo ...they don't have a buyer mentality but a cheater/free stuff mentality ....
already in the music industry ,70 percent of the circulation of music cd's in brasil is with illegal/ripped stuff ...
and looking at the huge amount of brasilian blogs giving links to ripped off stuff on rapidshare ...i don't see that market bringing any money to us ....
China is so closeted/you c go to jail for selling porn...but something is going to happen ...someday
in the next 5 years ,i would rather believe in europe...eastern europe countries but also turkey and north africa ...
The point of marketing adult products for mobile devices DOES NOT translate to people seeking to watch porn in public. Not everyplace is like the United States in the availability and inexpensiveness of internet access.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
The reason cell phones are so popular in places like Europe is because in some of those countries it takes forever to get a new land phone line. (Spain, Greece, etc?) We take buying a nice and cheap TV and DVD player for granted here. In other countries, electronics have an additonal cost because of additional taxes, and they just cost more. I know its fashionable to look down at Walmart, but they sure do bring the prices down on the stuff they sell... which includes Samsung and GE televisions, DVD players and other electionics. I know in the US we can pretty easily get around sales taxes on a new TV by purchasing mailorder/Amazon. If you lived in Germany, and bought a television off amazon.de I wonder if you'd still be looking at paying the VAT...... ?
(this may even explain the existence of the "Region 1/Region 2" coding racket by the movie industry)
So in other countries, many people are going to look to a cell phone to potentially look at porn because it's easier and cheaper.
In England, you pay a TV tax if you buy a television or radio, which funds the BBC. So here again, why not just migrate to portable devices and avoid paying extra money? I know people here in the States who don't bother with a landline anymore, in part because its just cheaper for the same reasons.
It sometimes sounds weird to those of us in the US as to why people would buy porn products in the cell phone. I would suspect these are the kinds of reasons why we see this phenomenon growing in other places.
Another reason people there would use mobile deivces is because they can PAY for it with mobile payment systems. Credit card use in Europe is much more scarce.
BTW, I'm not dissing these countries, I'm just trying to illustrate why mobile technologies for Internet access are so attractive in non US countries.
Steve
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Originally Posted by desslock
Maybe you are right, Europe is about the only good market I can see growing in the future, and I am sure my views are distorted by my location. We will have to wait and see I guess, its just that the cost of a PC is just going to get cheaper, I really think that will be the way to go with hard-core porn anyway. Maybe if they have some kind of glasses you could where that would display a larger screen, it might work-out.
I wouldn't mind having something to watch while waiting in my truck before class.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
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Originally Posted by 001010100110
Ya but, would that really be XXX porn man, or the news or something. Most people only watch porn for like 10 minutes at a time, and not because they love the plots LOL they just want to get off. I think it you did that in your truck with-in a month you would be in jail :plod:
LOL-I'm just saying that there are times when people find themselves alone and horny all the time and they take advantage of it whether they have porn or not, XXX or softcore, whether they will get caught or not, and there is a market there through cell phones, through video iPods, and from technologies not yet discovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
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Originally Posted by 001010100110
maybe a few, but can you see a world with the bathroom at work filled with guys beating off to porn, or the parking lot 1/2 filled with guys spanking the monkey before they go back to work. I think porn is a more personal thing, and always will be, they have these cell phone sites already, but they really don’t do very good.
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Originally Posted by maxpower
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Originally Posted by maxpower
Remember when people only watched porn in theatres? People thought no one would ever buy porn and watch it at home. VHS? Passing fad, nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Maybe I just can not see it, its not really the same thing, I think what ever way it goes people are going to have to have privacy to really want to look at porn :5ymca:
We currently have everything DRM's on our sites and are now considering removing it. Customers hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
I the next 5 to 10 years, at least where the video industry is concerned, I don't think we'll be making DVD's anymore, it's all going to be downloadable on the web. Some studios have already started going in that direction and informing their brick and mortar retailers that the DVD's will no longer be available.
Bill
Perceptive comments, Bill. I wish more producers were equally listening to what their own customers say.Quote:
Originally Posted by hdkbill
DRM products makes people feel like they are inherently criminals. And I don't see how you can build a business with that attitude of customer service. I recognize that intellectial property protection is important, but on the other hand you cannot treat your own customer base like they are criminals.
This is actually another area where "industry innovation" has some work to do over the next few years.
Speaking of future wishes: Microsoft's repeated operating system and product fumbles and flaws truly brings out the dinosaur that it has become, and home computer users start buying Macs.
Steve
Steve,Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
I agree with you the DRM makes our customers feel like criminals. When DRM first came out we thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread because we had had so many streams stolen and being passed around. We immediately jumped on the bandwagon and re-streamed everything encoding with DRM. Obvioulsy that task took literally hundreds and hundreds of hours.
Customers immediately began to complain and it has been a hassle every since. The problem, of course, is now we have to re-encode everything without the DRM and we want to place our name or logo or somehthing on each stream. So, now, we're talking about not only re-encoding, but also re-rendering each stream. The time involved to do this is enormous which is the only reason it hasn't been done at this point.
Another problem, of course, that you refer to are MAC user's. While they may constitute a small percentage of overall web users, it's still a percentage I don't want to throw away, which is exactly what we did when we DRM'd everything.
Oh well, hindsight is a beautiful thing.
Bill