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I just picked up some new domains, I was just wondering what everyone thinks? I have a main stream twink domain already, but I think this will show what I plan for the future. :signhere: ____:thumbsup: ??? :boo:
Frathunk.com
Twinkboyfeet.com
Firsttimeguy.com
Seducedboy.com
The only thing I think I will need now is some kind of “dad&son or old&young site” and I think I will have the package that I want for now. Well that and the money to get all these sites up and running LOL :chef:
OK OK sorry, last time, I went ahead a got a dad&son domain too, God I am going to Hell for sure :uhoh:
Dadsboys.com
you're playing with fire...
not to mention - who'd do "billing" for that ??
why waste time and money building something that would be too dangerous to market - if you could even find a biller...
same goes for any domain name with the word "boy" in it...
not a smart move...
~Bell
What are you talking about? The dadsboys.com site? Its not real LOL will have legal content not incest pics, but will probably be the last one I do. I have seen many similar sites like http://www.dadsvstwinks.com and I could name like 50 others. It is really hardcore, not for everyone, but I would like a good edge to my site list. We do make porn you know :) but I see no problem with getting a processor or listing for the site. I do not see a problem with the word boy or girl only CP :rolleyes:
I got a notice from ccbill saying one of our sites were violating their TOS because the tour had a video that referred to cousins. Cousins having sex is not even incest!!! I can't imagine them allowing dadsboys.com
You will find that some, maybe many, links sites, SE's etc won't list a site like this for several reasons.. the word Boy is troublesome and outright rejected by some engines, as is the subject of incest. while it may not actually be incest, some Engines, Overture comes to mind, won't list any siteQuote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
with anything even hinting at incest. While your domains could go either way, a domain like dadsboys.com will have problems not to mention possible extran scrutiny by big brother...
Chilihost -Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilihost
You should have asked them if you had replaced the questionable content with photos of President Franklin D Roosevelt and the First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, and their children, whether the tour would continue violating the terms.
Steve
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Originally Posted by Chilihost
Thax for the feed back man, Ccbill lets them do http://www.dadsvstwinks.com I would not think my site would be any worse. I am pretty sure I will have to jump though some hoops to get this one up and going. If I really need to play with the domain name, I guess I will, its easy to get a new domain. I think I will check with them before I even start uplaoding the site.
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Originally Posted by tombarr
Ya you are right, I am sure they will watch his domain, it will be the last one I do I am sure, and will make sure everything is legal with it. I just really want to set my program apart from other, and focus mainly of twink content, this type of site being the hardest action I could think of with-out doing fisting, piss, or something like that. I am sure I will have some trouble getting listing for this site from a few places, but no mater what changes are needed this is a theme I would like to do, I am also sure that this site will start off rather small with legal content really hard to find and all the unknowns about it.
Is the dadsboys.com the only one you guys do not like? I guess from what many have said that Firsttimeguy.com would be better than Seducedboy.com, I could not really decide on the str8 bait site so I went them both, but really will just make one site like that at first anyway. I like the foot fetish name Twinkboyfeet.com. For my older guys content I think Frathunk.com should work out good, and will be the first one I think I will do, it will be the easiest of them. :thumbsup:
Frathunk.com
Twinkboyfeet.com
Firsttimeguy.com
Seducedboy.com
Unfortunately all of these domains are second to their "s" counterparts, FratHunks, TwinkBoysFeet, FirstTimeGuys and SeducedBoys. That doesn't mean yours are automatically bad names, but they are not ideal either.
Also, be careful with domains where the last letter of one word is the same as the first letter of the next. There are concerns with this over typos. It's not really the same as having two letters together in the same word.
I'd stay away from that dadsboys name if I were you. Yes, there are a number of sites with similar names, but look at what countries they are in. A site with a name like that is a potential lightning rod here in the US.
You've also got to consider ID issues since you probably won't be getting such content from the US. Not that it's ever happened, but are you prepared to have 110% 2257 compliance using Russian ID's?
As for domains with "boy" in them, as I've said before it can cause confusion with some people who associate the word with underage guys. Care has to be taken in how you present twink material anyway though. So I am totally against the idea of never using the word.
Well I checked Frathunks.com and Firsttimeguys.com are not working sites and Twinkboyfeet.com does not need a “s”. With the good life span of 90% of sites about 1-3 years I do not really see much of a problem as far as that goes.
The dadsboys.com thing I am sure will be a really big challenge, why there are not many sites like that, but I am going to do something like that, and as hardcore I can make it with-out going to jail. Its the whole point of a site like this, str8 porn has good looking your girls having sex with fat or way older guys all the time, and no one cares at all. I just want one site that pushes the envelope a bit.
As far as the “boy” I am sorry, but I do porn, I am not hyper sensitive, if I can not do it then 30% of twink sites are going to have a problem too. Ask the guy from justusboys.com, brokestraightboys.com, boyfuk.com ECT I could go on with a list like this all day.
LOL, no need, I magically turned those cousins into schoolboy chums by changing a few words here and there and ccbill was happy. The power of the pen is amazing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
I did go ahead and got Twinkboysfeet.com too, you really think that is better than Twinkboyfeet.com I am not really sure? But al least I closed the door on any problems with that one. The other domains with the “s” are owned by people that sell domains for way to much like 8,000-10,000$ + I do not see a big problem with people trying to get them, with the disposable .com situation we are in. :shifty:
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Originally Posted by Chilihost
Ya I think it will be the same with my dadsboys.com site, I will just play with-it until it is acceptable to the processor, but essentially the exact same thing.
I wish the CCbill guy would say something in my thread about this? Can I have a site called dadsboys.com as long as I watch the text I use in the site? :uhoh:
here's a thread from 2003 that talks about using boys vs guys terminology - and resulting difficulty from assorted venues for those that had boy or boys either in domain name, text descriptions, metatags, etc.
It may prove enlightening, it may not
guys vs boys an issue?
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Originally Posted by Bec
Thax Bec I will check that out :D
Ya I looked at it bec, and people are still as confused about the word “boy” now as they where 3 years ago. I can see banning “pre teen boys, underage boys, young boys, teen boys even, but just boy NO I think most of the people that do not like the word boy also do not like the word twink as well, they just have a problem with guys 18-24 and think all nudes should be 21-25+ at least. That is their opinion, but I hate bear stuff, but I do not go around and try to get it banned, or support anyone that would want too. Even the word “kid” can be really bad but if you say club kid then its totally different. I think just banning words is stupid and lazy, each site should be look at as an individual site. If a processing company has a problem with me using the word boy in a legal site then I will find another one. And if that same company lets people use the word girl on any sites then I might think about suing them. We are all way to quick to turn on each other, and accept being treated differently, just because we are gay, and some people would provably want to have that word banned too, if we let them. :shifty:
The largest str8 women’s site is playgirl, and I think I have heard of a site called playboy as well. When these sites and magazines are forced to stop using the word boy and girl then I will stop too, but until then they can bite me. ;)
i think the main difference there is that playboy is using its own merchant account and not an ipsp :goofy:
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Originally Posted by Chilihost
I can see that, they where the larger examples I could think of that had the “boy/girl” words in the tittle of their sites, personally I think the whole word banning thing is a keen to banning books or any other blanket censorship and should be avoided at all cost. Maybe I will need in the future to get my own merchant account just so I will have the freedom to create sites in the manner I would legal like to, but having enough money should not be a determining factor in ones ability to express ones self :shifty:
do what you want...
we've tried to advise you...
in 2006 and forward - you won't find USA based cc. processing if you have the word boy in your domain name - or in the text of your adult site...
no matter how carefully you word things - the cc. software pulls words from their violation list - and no matter what sites did in the past - YOU won't get away with it in 2006 and forward...
don't waste your time... there's plenty of other things you can do where your time, energy and effort will result in $$ instead of legal hassels... and building something that will land you in a ton of legal trouble... if you move forward with the "boy" idea - all you are doing is working your ass off to make money to turn over to the legal system...
I could care less if you agree with me or not... I have been in the adult business for more than 10 years... what was once upon a time - is no longer possible in 2006 - for a new site starting up...
why don't you work smart - get the list of violation keywords / topics
FROM a legitamate processor - and abide by those rules instead of trying
to find a way to get around them... if a keyword / topic is OFF LIMITS
it's off limits... they could care less if it's a subject of personal interest to you... surely you have more areas of interest than the one...
and stop buying stupid domain names that are of NO use to you...
It pisses me off when people with experience advise a noobie and the noobie is unable to OPEN their eyes - and LISTEN to whats said... we have no reason to dissuade you - other than our experience - and wishing to try to help you - to try to protect you...
if you move forward with the "boy" idea - that's entirely up to you...
stupidest thing I've seen so far this month... but hey - I guess you have multi-thousands to spend on legal defense and perhaps a wish to do "jail" time...
whatever...
(can you tell I am angry... ?? - I am... stupidity ANNOYS the F*ck out of me...)
~Bell
I really hope you are joking with that, scare tactics are not going to work on me baby, as well as 30-40% of the other webmasters that use that word in the title of their sites. I understand that companies like yours have purchased a huge amount of .com in hopes too over charge us all when in your opinion hopefully more of us will be forced to change our .com because of some stupid rules, but its not going to happen. You are the same one that said all this BS over 3 years ago and did it happen NO. I would like to see the Ccbill guy comment on this, but if they move to such a rigged standard it would open the door to them become a less and less used processor in the future. I see no resident to the word girl only boy, if the are going to outlaw LOL the word boy then the same should apply to girl, then hell why not do the same with twink, young, freshmen, cheerleader, ECT this could go on and on until you can say nothing at all. As well no domains should be sold with that word in them, and all webmasters should have their investments returned. People have been saying this for years and years, but I do not see any sites with the word boy being taken down from Ccbill or any other processor, yesterday, today or tomorrow. :chicken:
The joys of being gay, of being an adult webmaster, and the current regime in Washington hell bent on punishing all those who have a different viewpoint.
Sean, you really should read the latest speech by your Attorney General Gonzales and his zeal for wanting to supposedly shut down all possible instance of CP. It might alter your willingness to jump into the frying pan he has ready for those who don't use some judicious self restraint.
ccBill and any other US based processor doesn't make the rules by themselves. It is VISA and MC who dictate a great many of what terms are and aren't acceptable. While in theory I agree that a person has the right to say or call their site what they wish, a Credit Card company has the same right not to provide service to something they find objectionable or perhaps actionable against them. Their interests aren't going to be yours or mine.
If you read the proposed new legislation, there is a lot of stuff that makes sense, such as use of hidden text, of using false sounding names to entrap children or in fooling the search engines into giving your adult site to those searching for children sites. Use of the word 'boy' is tempting fates even if it is innocuous. dadsboy is one such term that could be considered an attempt at seducing a young boy. these are things any adult should consider and while your intent is different than the perception, it is partly your responsiblity not to foster misconceptions.
:coffee:
But I still not see the word “boy” being flat out banned, is all, I know the dadsboys site might be a bit to edgy, and will cross that bridge when I get there “after all a new domain is easy to get” I will make a site like that with the same pics and vides, but might have to play with the wording if I have to, but it no worse that about any others I have seen. It would also be the last site I make, and we will have a new president by then. I just don’t think its a good idea to run around and say the sky is falling, if the are going to make a move on sites with the word boy in it they will go to the largest one they can find first to make a point, but it is really not going to stand up in court and they know it, that’s the only reason they have not done it yet. :sleep:
you'd be surprised at the words visa has on its list Sean... and I doubt they'd (DOJ) go after the biggest site. They would know such a site could mount a defence, so they'd go after the small obscure site, to get the conviction thru plea bargain or lack of funds for defence... they want convictions and precedent... and they would stand a much better chance against a small potatoe than a big enchilada.
but is 'boy' itself banned, in my view, no it isn't banned. it is a flag though and unwanted scrutiny is the result. Some will play it totally safe and ban the site or deny its acceptance. If they know the site owner they might not be so quick though, its a judgement call on their part.
it isn't a consistent thing, i know of some aen's that have refused sites not because of boy in the name but in the sponsor name... in the reviewers view it was too risky.. its a judgement call as I say.
Thank you :) I knew their is no way in hell they could banned the word “boy” like Beach Boys as an example. I few directories are always going to be unfriendly towards twink sites, but that is just what you deal with making twink sites. As far as the going after the small companies first, cuzz it would be easy, I really don’t think it would work that way. The first case like this anyone they go after would have the support of the free speech people and many other, so the attorneys fee’s would be covered, and it would not look good in court for them to start off by going after some “small” guy. That is some of many of the reasons they about always start with the biggest companies first with this kinda legal tests. :plod:
When I do straight stuff I never use the world girl in any context and same deal with boy with gay sites. Even though I know and you know that boy can mean an adult I don't want anyone surfing for the words looking to make trouble for a webmaster to stumble on one of my sites.
So what you are saying is that you would not make a site called Twinkboyfeet.com, or Twinkboysfeet.com? Or a site call Girlsgonewild? How about boysgonewild, Playboy, playgirl? Come on man, a large number of sites use that word every day, I would even dare to say the Largest sites in the world just that word. Please do not be a word cop man, its hard enough to get a domain that some not talent hack has not purchased years ago with the some purpose of sell back to you for 5,000 to 10,000$ when they paid like 8 bucks. A lot of twink sites have to use that word, their are not very many options you know. Hey BTW I need a new site designed, I was wondering about getting a quote, I am PM you the example if you would like. :2ymca:
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Originally Posted by Bell
Hi Bell,
do you have contact information you could send me or even have the list of no-go-words?
Would really appretiate it
DEVELISH
The only thing about that is the only “legitimate processor” Ccbill? Anyway, if they will not play fair with gay sites the same as str8 sites AKA letting them use girl and not letting us use boy then I would just us another one. When they pass a law that says I can not have boy in my title and I see the thousands of sites like, playboy, playgirl, boysgonewild, ECT will remove it I will be glad to do it too, but until then I am not to start obeying imaginary laws, just cuzz it might change some day. “it will never happen they are just being hyper sensitive” I would love to see how they could really do that when they can not even stop people from making CP stores, or successfully prosecute them for it in the US “I would bet most of those stories use words much worse that boy” :kelly:
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Originally Posted by DEVELISH
GO DIRECTLY to the SOURCE.... contact any legitamate USA based biller for their AUP - keyword / url policy... you'll see exactly what I mean... the RULES
are set by the cc. companies - not the billers - - - no matter how lax a biller might want to be to a webmaster - they are controlled by the actual credit card companies...
he'll find out for himself - after he wastes all his time, money and effort putting together a site that won't pass the current rulings billers have to abide by in the 2006 Finance World and forward...
I personally could care less what he does...
I only ever wanted to try and HELP him...
he's on his own now...
(some people can't be helped)
let's see where he is 3 years from now - won't that be interesting... LOL...
~Bell
Bell is correct, and tried to provide you with a means of saving yourself a lot of grief. Rules change, keep up with them, or waste your time and money developing something you can't get processing for.
For the most part, CCBill has been very good about coming into this community and giving the webmasters a heads up about new restrictions. Sites that are/were already established under old rules are not subject to the new ones, but if you want a new site using currently banned words, it WON'T HAPPEN.
If they are not going to let me do what is legal, I will just go some place else, I see no need to be Ccbills bitch boy. Its only like 1 site anyway, but if they are going to be that way, I really would not trust what they would do next. I do not feel like waking up one day and they say sorry the word twink is no longer allowed and you account have been suspended until you remove it. If they tell me I can not use such a simple term I will go some place else, but I know that might be just me. But I do see that they might not want to talk about this in public. :center:
here's a thought...
post here the USA billers that will permit you to use the word boy in the context you wish to - for the TYPE of site that you wish to use it for...
you do the work - you go find the USA biller that permits it - directly by communications with YOU - and not billers you see on others sites...
for a NEW site starting in 2006...
it's work you'd have to do anyway to find a biller...
why not do it now - so you can LEARN for yourself - the CREDIT CARD COMPANIES - in the USA - in 2006 and forward - will NOT permit what
you seek...
posting on a board - hoping a biller will come by and respond is not the way to conduct a professional business... go to them - directly...
go find that out for yourself...
~Bell
CCBill are some of the easiest people to contact and get a direct answer from on any issue. Take advantage for that but then respect their reasoning.