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With all the “word police” running around now days the “Teen Boy Niche” no longer exists, well not under that name, what I see happening the Twink niche taking its place, and allot of what was once called twink content is now, what I would call “frat” The more things change the more they will stay the same, they can block words, but we will use new words to describe the same content. :kelly:
My personally age niches Twink: 18-21 Frat: 21-26 Hunk: 27-35 Men: 35+ “some body types my vary” :nerd:
neither frat guys, jocks or hunks are twinks. twinks would be more slender and with a younger look.
Well yes, but now some of what was called “twinks” is encroaching on the frat category. If a guy is 24 and slender in my book he is too old to be a twink, he’s a frat boy. They have take the youngest category away from us, so the ripple effect is going to effect other categories as well. I think many studios and site have not caught up with this tread yet, but its what I am doing as well as many others as well. Its just a matter of time before is the accepted rule. :extat:
um... no. frat boys are more mature - i don't mean in age, but in demeanor - in appearance than twinks as a rule. also a little more muscular.
Well maybe depending on the look of the thin 25 or 26 year old guy, background, action, or clothing I might place it in another category, like trailer trash, huge cocks, even frat ECT, I am just saying that the twink category for me is getting younger, and any guys over 24 or 25 that would really fit in that category are being moved to other categories. I can not just add the teen boy category to the twinks with out changing then what a twink really is. As I believe webmasters made up the whole twink thing anyway, and we can change it as we see fit. Maybe it is just what I am doing and a few others, but with out using the words Teen Boys the same as the str8 sites use Teen Girls we have to do something, to keep really young but legal guys separate from older guys. Hell right now I am making a Teen Boys site, but I can not call it that, so its being called a twink site
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Twink Definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink I really like the #5 definition the best that guy really knows what he is talking about :bush:
Sean,
You could do well to listen and learn. Basschick and many others here have forgotten more than you will ever know about niche marketing in this industry. When she tells you what the difference is, she isn't blowing out her ass. She's been doing this for 10 years, and worked in the adult industry for many years before that. There are many others here with similar levels of experience.
I feel very lucky to have all of these amazing people available to help me learn how I can make my business grow, people who give freely of their knowledge if you will simply listen instead of arguing. An urban dictionary definition doesn't mean shit compared to people who live and breathe gay niche site marketing.
I know what you are saying, but you are telling me you do not see that niche getting younger the past few years, I really do is all I am saying. 4 years ago you could get away calling a site Teen Boys, but now you really cant get away with it anymore. Part of my response to this has been to make twinks younger and more like Teen Boys was in the past. I remember a day when twinks was really 21-26 or so, it just seems to me to be getting younger.
thanks, chip - but i have to say you're quite an expert when it comes to 18+ boys/twinks.
max, on the web twink has always been a euphamism for 18 - 21 year olds, and surfers are hoping for 18 or 19.
you are working hard to rationalize what you're saying, but the bottom line is the surfers. THEY know what they want when they are looking for a twink, regardless of what you call them.
besides, neither ccbill nor visa are threatening to disallow the word boy. they won't let you say "young boy" or similar things but as far as i know, you can say "18 year old boy" with no problems. and boy sells better than twink every time.
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Originally Posted by basschick
Ya that is what I think too Boy is a much better word, that is why I am so fast to defend its use, that’s what people want to hear. The only problem I run into is when sometimes I call sites Teen Boys Exposed or something like that, I run into some problems getting listed, and worry about a .com under the same name having a processor in the future. I would love to have teenboys.com but even that one of the best name in the world for teen boy stuff just redirects to another site http://www.boysfirsttime.com It jus seem that people have given up on the word “teen” and I just sometimes worry that “boy” will be next.
But you are also so right about people wanting 18-19 year old when they go to a twink site too, so that is really the only type of images, and videos I am getting to make the design of my twink site are in that age group.
Hmm - interesting Idea - I have my fair share for .de of the word teenboys ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Might just build a design for that...
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Originally Posted by DEVELISH
Well that’s up to you man, but I do not use any thing but “.com” for members sites others like “.net” Ect are ok for free/AVS sites, but I do not think they make good members names, for many reasons.
just because you are worried that the word "may" be removed by visa u.s. doesn't mean it will be. and there's always verotel.
Ya that is what I use now, but really worry about their affiliate program and stats, as my sites grow in the future that will become very important. Do you know a program that would be compatible, with verotel and other processor that would provide really good #s for then and still use a over seas processor? I personally do not have a problem with verotel I think they are a really good company, but affiliate are going to have a problems with them, God I can not keep making sites to drive traffic to my program forever LOL
Ok...
as far as I learned on this board there is ccBill and ccBill-Europe - seems like the European branch has Visa and other CC-Corps too to bill the users but without the hassle as one would find in the US but still using the same system for scrubbing.
If you are all concerned with how you name your sites and can't come up with something other than "teen boy" "boy something" or the like OR you do not want to change your habits about naming sites you _might_ want to look into some billing-companies which do not have Blackword or Stopword lists when they review sites. There are plenty European billers who can't care les about how a site is named.
I do not know if you can, may or are allowed to use them but here's a small list: afendis.de, netdebit.de, inet-cash.de (member-cash.de), eurobill.com, aconti.net, libereco.net etc. all capable of doing creditcards, dialers, voicecalls, premium SMS, online bank debits etc. Different Languages, too.
Another option you could take in my opinion is just quit 'bitchin' around about those 'fucked up' regulations those companies you want to use have as rules and just work the way they want stuff to be done.
DEVELISH
I think you are missing the point of what I am saying, I do not use a US processor, nor do I have to play the word game right now, but the only big problem is the affiliate programs they offer. This is just going to get worse in the future for me as I want my program to grow. If I use Ccbill and they decide to add any words or that any of my sites are now not acceptable they could freeze all my rebills. I really need to try to look as far ahead as I can, after all in 10 years I will be doing the same thing. I was just asking her if she knows of a program that I could add that would be compatible with verotel that would provide superior stats to all of my affiliates in the future, so I could fix both problems at the same time. :egg:
Yes - you are right - I am not understanding what you want and what your point is...
Maxpower, others:
regarding: "some of what was called 'twinks' is encroaching on the frat category"
It's silly to focus on society shifts in linguistics terms. The only people in the world who attempt to maintain word purity of their language is in France, and their language is still falling to new non franco phrases.
For example in America, more people than ever before in history are using the word "nut" to call an orgasm. But that does not disparage others to referring to the hard shelled seeds that fall of the trees in your yard as "nuts"
There is only one reason you would use the word "twink." That would be to communicate to your target audience what you are selling them. If your target audience cannot understand you - that is you are offering them twink content - then change your words and phrases so what you have is more descriptive.
The people referring to the acorns as nuts are not exorcized that other people somewhere else in the big, wide words using the words for other things.
Steve
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Originally Posted by desslock
I was just saying that the more descriptive terms are being taken way from us “Teen Boys” so I am seeing it effect the twink niche. AKA making it younger than it was before, you can disagree with me if you do not see newer twink sites promoting younger content that it was 5 years ago, that is just what I see, and in fact am doing. I would never say I believe in a rigged definition of any terms it all grow as things change.
Here's the problem with "Teen".
Legally, the majority of people that would be classed as "teens" are underage (i.e., those 13-17). Only 18 and 19 year olds are legal. So when you talk about "teen boys", you are talking about a class of people the majority of which are under age. I can totally understand why a lot of people would be nervous about it.
We do use the term on Boyfunk, but we qualify it, as in "18-20 teen boys" (And you can argue that 20 isn't a teen, but that's a separate issue...) By adding the qualifier in there, we're making clear with our marketing that our guys are of age.
Same thing with "boys." Mike18 got dropped by CCBill for several reasons, but doubless one of them was their tour spoke of "very young teen boys" which is a HUGE red flag, as it qualifies "teen" in the wrong direction.
Tee, hee, I'm a "Hunk".Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Imo, your's is the only responsible way to pitch the teen niche. Anything less is appealing outright to pedophiles.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyfunk
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Originally Posted by boyfunk
That’s a good idea, I have to do the text for my new design soon I think I will use some of that, like “Only the best fresh faced 18-21 year old teen boys” or something like that, I can see the problems with the word teen boys, but what good is to force us to keep records on everything, if then they question the content with out even checking. If you ask me as long as its legal and you do not outright say its underage people it should still be ok, but I guess my opinion on this might be a bit skewed.
BTW I love mike18 site design, as far as the layout and flash, I am going with a bit older guys, and different text ECT. but paying to create a very similar tour. It does take a while to load, and some people are going to say its too “flashy” :) but I really think the WoW Factor more than makes up for that.
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Originally Posted by BijouWorld
Well going by your pic that would be the category I would place you in :signhere:
www.britishtwinks.com - these are twinks!
We hardly use the word 'twinks' in the UK though, so that name appeals much more to americans than brits. Words are fun. :juggle:
Nice Spam :jasun: