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After seeing so many gay adult videos, I was just wondering why so much of them are made up of colon shots? I mean I really do not need to see 45% of a video in such a close up I could count ass hairs. Do viewers really like this type of shot? I personally like to take in the whole seen, rather than focussing in on just the penetration part. The looks of their faces, their abs tensing, body’s colliding ECT just seeing a close up of the “action” is a bit of a turn off to me :cry:
We shoot that way because that's what our audience seems to want. Rimming is very popular, and when we had videos that had less penetration shots and more of other stuff, people bitched about that.
I'm with you that the same shot of a dick going in and out of an ass isn't that big a turnon, but a lot of buyers apparently think it is. :)
Ya I was really just wanting to see it I had to do that, I really do not want to have to stick the camera up some guys ass in a movie, just to focus on the in and out repletion. But from what you say I do have to do it anyway :cry: maybe I will just limit the time I do a shot like that. Personally I like good dialog, but I think I might push some limits with that though. I think words and themes can be a much bigger turn on than just a cock going in and out of a ass. Personally I would like to add as much resistance “at the start” from the bottom as possible to my videos, and really try to reframe as much as possible from the CP “Colon Porn” shots.
BTW do you know what the dialog limits are? How far can I go with the “No Please Stop” “God it Hurts” “Please don’t Make Me Do That” BS? I see allot more of this type of language used in ebony films, and think the dialog and situation can be much hotter than just the action it self. I want to make fanatics, and shock people a bit with out any gross out shots.
Yes, extreme close-ups are hot. Just make sure the bottom doesn't have warts or hemerroids, and for god's sake, make sure he's clean.
Michael
I am not a proctologist, extreme close-ups make me FF the videos until they are over.
You fist fuck videos?
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Michael
LOL no FF “Fast Forward” Fist Fucking is something else I would not like to see though. “but if you want to use those word I am one that would support you” I am no do some really hard core/shocking stuff, but not like that. All this does make the think of the similarities of horror films and porn, but not sure I want to make a gore film ;)
I'm sure that extreme close-up in n' out action works...it's worked for us since day one...
But(t), its got to be well lit...if you can't see what's going on, then it isn't worth burning the tape - I HATE BAD LIGHTING!
I'm a top and like to see what's going on...
Dialog is excellent, as long as its captured well and audible.
And, most anything goes...except, make very sure that you're bottom is not being forced without consent...that's not good.
Throw in an occasional..."please sir" and then the "NO, NO! OH GOD...!... I CAN'T TAKE THAT HUGE COCK - IT HURTS" followed by another..."please, oh please, fuck me HARDER, sir..."
So you are saying that as long as I have consent of what will be going on before I start filming, “maybe use a safety word” I can do about anything I want on film? Even things that look a bit unconsensual, almost rape, fake drugs, Ect their is no limit to the dialog I can use? With all the word nazis it just worry’s me, and I was under the impression I could not do some things.
I guess I will have to do some extreme close up’s if so many of you do like it, its just not my thing I guess. From what I do know and have seen lighting is a must in any shot, but at first I am sure I will make some real crap vids
It's a fine line.
If there's anything to imply the bottom is being forced, then you're in a very gray area... it could be considered rape, which, depending on the outcome of the Extreme Associates case, could be considered obscene. It's not just demonstrating that consent exists (which you could do with a disclaimer) but not showing something that *portrays* lack of consent. While it *should* be covered by the first amendment, you just never know with the right-wing neoconservatives what's going to happen to our constitution in coming years.
We've done some scenes where the "straight boy" is encouraged/talked into having his dick sucked and his ass licked, and, of course, by then he's BEGGING to have his ass plowed... but I think that's a little different, because there's obvious consent at each stage. I know that a lot of others carry it further than we do, but we just prefer to be a little more on the conservative side.
Ya I do not want to take it too far with like, actually hitting, strangulation, blood, or anything like that, but I do think I would want to push it a bit farther than you have with the whole “residence” thing. I am glad to hear at least for now its not illegal, to do that now getting models to do it might bit a bit of a problem, or at least the once I would like to use. :shifty:
and disclaimers don't always work...
we had one of our films BAREBACK GREASE MONKEYS, banned in Chicago because there was a little "gag" we through in for fun...
we had two of the performers pour what appeared (on camera) to be "oil from a Penzoil can" into a funnel that was inserted up Cam's butt
- in fact, the "oil" was chocolate syrup and we had used a little "hollywood magic" to make it appear (on camera) that we were really pouring oil into Cam's butt!
Jeez...where were these Chicago censors when the Three Stooges did all of their slapstick gags!
Needless to say, the movie has made it into a "second edition" and we are just now releasing the sequel BAREBACK GREASE MONKEYS 2...go figure
I am really glad to hear that I will have so much freedom, to create the type of videos I would like too. If not a few regional problem, but that should not be a big problem for me at first. I just really hope this does not change in the future, we should all be able to express our self’s.
Um, you don't seem to get it.
A regional problem is a BIG problem. If a prosecutor in Tennessee, where practically anything adult, and most likely anything gay, is considered obscene, gets a hardon for your content, you'll be charged with violating obscenity laws in Tennessee. Or Pennsylvania, or Oklahoma or Utah or any of the other states that have shown a dislike for pornography.
Anything that's close to the edge will be that much harder to defend in court.
Do what you want, but I'd seriously talk to a good adult attorney before you move forward.
I did not think a state I have never visited could chare me with anything, and get me arrested in my home state for something like this. I knew it sounded to easy for this country, I will take it easy with the theme for sure they will not be the worse available “as far a themes” I really just want something a bit edgy is all, and its a bit hard to do something edgy if I do not know where the edge is.
That's what a good adult industry attorney is for :)
Max, you might not think a state you never visited cannot charge you and issue a warrant, but you are wrong. If your content is viewed in Tennessee, the local prosecutor can present the evidence to a grand jury, indict you and have a warrant issued. All of this can be done without your knowledge and you have no right to present your side of the case to the grand jury--only the prosecutor can be in the grand jury room.Quote:
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Then, the warrant will be put into the NCIS system and a dispatcher will make a courtesy call to the sheriff's office in your home county. Even if you are in a heavily populated county, deputies will be dispatched to your home to arrest you and take you to jail in your home county. Then, you will sit in jail until either [1] you waive extradition or [2] you sit up to 90 days while the governor's offices do it for you. Then you take a ride in a van across the county in handcuffs and ankle restraints to the jail in the county where you are charged. At THAT time, you can request a bond hearing so that you might be able to post bond.
State lines will not protect you when you sell your wares all over the country if someone decides to charge you. Then you will need a good defense lawyer, a good first amendment lawyer [I recommend 2 lawyers] and enough money to pay for a good defense. Not one of those cop out plea bargain defense lawyers, but someone who is not afraid to take your case to trial.
Chad- Please give everyone an estimate of the "retainer" fees both those attorneys would want up front before they would even take the case.
An obscenity case if going to cost at minimum $50,000 to initially defend, and if it goes to trial it's going to cost $200,000+. I know that first ammendment lawyers like Sirkin are going to want $50,000 retainer just to take the case!
As with most legal cases, it's not about whose right, it's about who has the most money to fight the battle. Sad, but true.
Gill!
I forgot to get into those pesky details.
While that sounds like a shitload of money, there is a lot of time and effort that goes into litigating or defending a case. Depositions--interviewing witnesses and investigators _before_ the trial, takes several days by itself. A simple trial can take 2 weeks, and a trial lawyer needs to pay for the secretary, the researcher, the office and library, and possibly the private investigator.
It takes a good team a lot of long days to prepare a good defense. Without a good defense, right or wrong, you can go to jail. Chris Wilson, who had the site with the dead Iraqis and crappy surfer-submitted amateur porn, plead out his case and had to get out of the business instead of going to trial. The owner of Goalie Entertainment took a plea and went to jail. However, he got nailed on tax violations, which is why I always hammer on keeping the taxes paid and not fucking around with the IRS.
This is a business where the powers that be want to eliminate you. If you run a good business, follow the rules, pay your taxes, and pay a lawyer BEFORE you get into trouble, you can make a good living. If you push the envelope, break rules, and start asking about a good adult lawyer after deputy sheriffs have executed a search warrant and seized your equimpent, you are probably going to have several really bad years ahead.
Um... not to stand up for the Chicago censors in any way, shape or form, but I do think there's a bit of a difference between getting a pie in the face and getting a can of oil poured into someone's asshole. :nerd:Quote:
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That's interesting. Goes to show you how in our business, tastes and potential offences with people are just completely arbitrary. Your description reminded me of this memorable boxcover from Raging Stallion:
http://www.friskyfans.org/catphotos/rec2.jpg
You guys are really about to make me lose my lunch :wacko:
have you ever googled google images for "tubgirl" ? :DQuote:
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[EDIT: it is a gross picture - you've been warned]
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Yeah, that one is not pretty. I think it has been a g f y fave for a long time though.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEVELISH
The bondage guys never grossed me out, not even the dude sitting next to the urinal at Blow Buddies with the funnel in his mouth. The dead Iraqi's on nowthatsfuckedup before their legal issues were stomach turning, but those were real and not staged by willing adults.
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hmm -- one is funny and the other is knee-slappin' funny????
Is this the one that Chris used to post on You-Know-Where? The one that always made me wanna toss my cookies?Quote:
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Damnit, Chad, you weren't supposed to tell!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
Geeze, can't a guy have a little fun. :P
I think TubGirl should be the name and cover of Karen Finley's next performance dvd.
Steve
Okay, Chad. Your post reminded me of a story. Heh heh. MaxPower, you may want to skip this.
I was at a dungeon party in Hollywood one time and I really had to take a whiz, so my friend said, "oh, they have a piss pig in the pit, just under that grate over there. So I go over to the great and look down and there's this guy in head to toe rubber, just sort of hanging out there waiting to get pissed on. Now, keep in mind, I was still really new at this time so I figured what the hell, started to unzip my fly and when I look down again he's waving at me. So I look a little closer and it turns out that he was a good friend of mine. So I wave back... then took a moment to think... and then decided that I couldn't bring myself to pee on my friend.
Looking back on this I have to laugh. I supposed pissing on a complete stranger would have been okay, but not on a friend? LOL!!! Of couse if that were to happen today I'd go right ahead and pee. I mean, that's why he was down there, right?
I love my life. :)
Dunno where I read it, but somebody uses this for anti-hotlinking :DQuote:
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LOL!!! You know I'm one of three people on this board who got that joke, LOL!
Wasn't TubGirl a character from the Tank Girl series? LOL! :P
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Yeah, yeah, yeah...it's like I've said one million, gazillion times before,Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
"the more things change..." especially if you happen to be in the BareBack end of the BIZ!
And, we didn't even (and rarely have) an explicit cover...!
As an aside but, on the original topic of this thread...
I will be having a colonoscopy pretty soon...but, our videographer won't shoot...kind of interesting in that I AM a TOTAL TOP...any instruments up my butt need to be introduced under heavy sedation!!!
Yeah, well said...and don't think that they will let you keep your cam in hand to shoot "reality" videos while your caged up in prison!Quote:
Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
And like our counsel has told us in the past...the three square meals you may get in prison each day, aren't like the ones you mom cooked!
Oh I wish I had the freedoms of our Canadian neighbors :cry: If Old Canada was not so cold I would leave the US. :wacko: That is really funny to me leaving the US in hope of finding more freedom
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Originally Posted by DonMike
Yep, THATS the guy!
For me, it depends. I like close-ups here and there, because as anyone knows, when you're fucking someone you want to look down and watch your dick sliding in and out of the hole. That's a major turn-on to me, and to most gay guys I know. So close-ups of a guy getting fucked and getting rimmed are pretty hot to me--as long as they are not overdone. I like full-body shots as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
If you're talking about shots of assholes, that really does nothing for me. And I am especially turned off by fisting videos where they pull their hand (or huge dildo) out of a dude's ass and you can see up into his insides. That's pretty much a MAJOR turn-off to me. Fuckin' YUCK! I don't want to see some nasty red, pink, wet, gooey canal gaping wide open. Talk about an erection kill.
BUt some guys love that. So to each his own. :)
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Ya man LOL the whole fisting thing is something I do not watch or really would never offer. I just don’t like the “fucking” close-ups for more than a few seconds, I was just trying to see who felt the same as me about it. I guess its a little like the fisting is for you, its just a bit turn off. I am a top to but normally do not just watch my dick going in and out, I really like a guy to be on top, or to see his face/body when I have sex. If I want to look at me dick I can do that all on my own, when I can start making vids I think I will limit that kinda shot. Do you give a poor rating to vides that have less of something like that in them?
This is for you mike, for old time sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonMike