We are looking for a good seasoned sales person to promote our sites and bring in traffic and sales. Any ideas where we would go about finding such a person?
Any help is appreciated. :thumbsup:
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We are looking for a good seasoned sales person to promote our sites and bring in traffic and sales. Any ideas where we would go about finding such a person?
Any help is appreciated. :thumbsup:
I promote others programs from time to time, but like to promote twink sites, they need to provide fresh twink content for me to create the sites “needs to be fresh content so the sites will be listed” they must allow me to place my members site as the sole secondary sponsor at the bottom of the pages, and of course the main sponsor “that would be you” has to have some kind of affiliate program.
I know this sounds like allot, but I will get your sites about every possible place, if you site converts well with free/avs/search engine traffic/TGP “basically all traffic” you will make sales. Its kinda up to your program to convert after I send the traffic to you, is kinda what I am saying. But I do not just provide or specialize in the poor forums of traffic like TGP’s
You can PM me if ya still want to talk about it, BTW I have been doing this for a living for over 5 years
are you looking for someone to get affiliates and work with them? or are you looking for someone to set you up some search engine hubs, get some feeder sites listed, find places to advertise, etc?
I am looking for someone that will "sell" meaning get webmasters to signup to our affiliate program so that our sites will generate sales. Anyone can sign up to our program of course. But what I would really like is a dedicated sales person to promote our program full time. Hey Max....lets hook up on ICQ.
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Originally Posted by Richard
Hey man, I am on the way out the door to get some food, you can PM me the info, or I will be back in a few and we can talk on AIM or something :develish:
My AIM is nomad0023 if you have that, or if you have yahoo IM I have that too
I have a general question on this - what is a typical compensation for someone who is an affiliate program manager?
Steve
Hey Max.....I added you to ICQ (aol/icq work together). Let me know when you are around. Anyone with any other business questions please email or ICQ me. :toff:
It depends on a lot of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
1. experience
2. contacts that person is bringing to the table
3. duties, is the job just a sales rep or is it an executive level position
4. is it a salary position or commission alone or salary+commission
usually very little, which is why we generally see the quality of affiliate reps we do.
the most i was ever offered to rep was $3500 a month plus paid for cell phone and a couple other things like that. most of the time when people offered me (or others) a rep job, they offer $2000 or less a month. i know a woman who has worked as a rep for years in our industry who was paid around $3400 at each of her 2 last jobs, one for a largish company and one for a smaller company.
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Originally Posted by desslock
Yeah thats about right for a sales rep/manager position. 35-40k no commission. the $2000 isn't bad if it includes commission too otherwise its laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
For a Director of sales/marketing or an executive position... much much more.
Well......since figures are now being bantied about....
I certainly don't disagree that a person should be paid for the quality of work they are doing. The key phrase is....."quality of work". I will completely admit that we have never hired a sales person for this type of thing before because this is our first go around at this type of position which is why I need some help from you fine folks :teach:
That being said.....my webmaster/admin/programer......he makes GOOD money. Why? Cuz his job is vast, complicated and demanding.
I am certainly willing to pay an individual between 2500 to 3500 a month no problem. However.....how does one measure performance? Bottom line is....we need sales. No sales means a company eventually goes out of business. That just makes sense right? Well.....if someone can convince me to hire them......because they can make sales.......I will certainly compensate them with a compeditive salary/commission package.
Everyones thoughts (and resume's) please? :kiss:
Well man, that will be a bit of a problem I would think, in that most people that could make the sales you need, could make more on thier own or want more money. :wtf: Well I guess it could depend on what you want them to do? How many hours ECT?
if you need an affiliate rep, which it sounds like you might be talking about, you need someone who is either knowledgeable and friendly, not a spammer or pushy, and an existing reputation in the business really helps. you will have to pay to send them to all the conventions, pay for their business phone and the rest. if you don't send them to the conventions, soon they'll be less well known and of less value to you.
but no matter how good your affiliate rep is or the person who is coordinating your other sales, your tour and join page are a big part of the picture. the best rep in the world isn't going to do great unless you have a tour that sells.
and of course the best-known people in the biz - especially the ones who have spent 5 or 10 years getting known in the industry - have a value of more than $3500 a month. so you will need to really weigh your options.
have you considered a part time rep to get started? that way you can afford a better person and they can continue to make their own money to supplement what you offer - as long as what they are doing isn't a conflict of interest.
I am looking for whatever is reasonable and acceptable by both parties which will make the company money and keep the rep happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
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Originally Posted by Richard
Richard--
You sound like a customer on a car lot who wants to buy a car but is trying to avoid the questions of the car salesman!
You really need to decide what you want and what you can afford BEFORE you start shopping.
If you are really looking for a marketing rep, then you will need to spend some money for a good rep, like basschick said, not only on compensation but on travel and marketing expenses. You can't have a good rep without providing an expense account. Also, a good rep will already have an established rolodex and a reputation within the industry. You don't want someone who has a tarnished image and you do not want to be training a fresh face for your only rep. You will want someone who can pick up the phone and get you a dozen traffic trades on the first day from people he has done business with in the past.
Saying that you want "whatever is reasonable and acceptable" sounds like you are running for office . Decide how much you can afford and decide what you want. It would behoove you to talk with basschick or someone like her privately to determine if what you want and what you want to pay for it are realistic. We all want a new Mercedes for $1000 but that is not realistic. Decide what your budget will allow and from there you can determine if you can afford a part-time or full-time rep with the expenses.
chad, sometimes you are so articulate you are an absolute joy :)
Well personally I have never found a traffic trades worth the time, unless you pay them I guess even then its still iffy. :blush:
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Originally Posted by maxpower
And once again Maxpower proves his brilliance with another comment that doesn't even address the subject at hand.
[QUOTE=chadknowslaw]Richard--
You sound like a customer on a car lot who wants to buy a car but is trying to avoid the questions of the car salesman!
You really need to decide what you want and what you can afford BEFORE you start shopping.
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Hmmm.....not sure if those are indeed fair comments when in fact I DID say I would pay someone whatever the going rate was in a previous post. But at the same time.....I dont think I should be "pinned down" on a public forum board either. Which is why I said "whatever is reasonable". Negeotiations should be done between a company and a rep not on a board right?
So...that said....:groovy: .....if anyone is looking for a sales rep position....we are looking to hire. Thanks for everyones help. And I will say this again too.....we have never hired a sales rep for an affiliate program before. So give us some slack....we are new at this :nerd:
you can get someone from a country where the dollar has a lot more bang for around $800 a month. they won't be well known in the industry, and my experience is that usually they don't interact all that well, but they can work the boards and make sure affiliates have what they need.
for around $1500 - $2000 you can get someone with some knowledge of our industry but not well acquainted with large companies. they won't be the best but they may have some experience both as reps and in adult.
for $2000 plus percentage, you can get someone extremely motivated but this kind of motivation can lead to spam and annoy other people and companies enough to harm your reputation.
there are very few great reps in our industry - i've been offered $4500 a month and turned it down without a thought because although i don't consider myself a great rep, i have a good reputation, 10 years in adult online, more years in adult in print mags, and i know a lotta people in the biz. but that also means i have a higher earning potential.
the bottom line - if you want a really good rep, you need to pay them as much as they are earning (and someone who knows our industry well is certainly making over $3500 a month) plus offer them potential to make more. otherwise what is their incentive for taking the job?
I really appreciate your help Bass Chick. Hopefully we can find a great rep. :center:
Thank you very much, Basschick! I've always wondered about the business end of affiliate sales reps.
Steve
True enough although, to be fair, there are several individual reps i know that do demand high salaries the problem is however, they do generate new affiliates for their program but, they dont cover their own costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
If you are going to be paying someone $X amount each month plus expenses, you need to make it perfectly clear at the outset that after a couple of months, if they havent made their 2 months pay back, they will be dropped.
Lets not forget, there are MANY reps in the str8 side of the industry who constantly float from company to company for this very reason, they demand their high salaries but, their name alone doesnt make the program money, it isnt solely about reputation but end results.
Regards,
Lee
it's not just about reputation, and i know reps who don't cover their costs in gay and str8. when i talk about a top notch person, it isn't about their reputation - it's about performance.
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Originally Posted by Lee
Well first of all no matter what rep you get, I don't see you making any money at all. From your tour you are offering a very over exposed package that can be picked up for under $1000. That looks like all your members areas. My best advice to you, before you hire a rep, hire someone to consult with you and look at your conversions and ratios. It makes no sense hiring a rep if you are not converting and retaining.
just my opinion and the old timers know i call a spade a spade.
amen!
if you happen to be lucky enough to get a great rep and they can't make money with you, they will go elsewhere and you'll miss out.
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Originally Posted by abostonboy
Ricahrd,
I hope you are NOT offended. Just looking at what you offer. I don't see much value for $39.95. Any site with the name "Spy Boys", "Spy On Him", just reminds me of a feed that totally sucks. And after looking at your tour, its all the same fluffer content as I call it. Nothing original.
I really think you are not in the stage of hiring someone to sell a product that may not sell/retain. Tweak the item. Then sell it.
If however you do have good conversions and retention, then by all means hire a rep. And to be quite honest with you, the better your conversion, retention, the more you can pay.
I feel the time is loooong gone when we can put a site together with just leased feed and make a profit. Topbucks is an example of a company that went from cookie cutter sites to cookie cutter sites with some of the best original content on the market. They saw the need for change. ARS was on the right track with their gay reality sites, but for whatever reason, mostly $$$, stopped updating with original contenet and I believe added the "fluffer" videos.
And please don't take offense, I speak my mind. The oldies know it!