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Hi,
does anybody of y'all use Mansites?
It seems that the user can sign up for free using his credit card number and they'll give you limited access to other sites. If you don't cancel your free 3-day-membership account they run into a rebill cycle.
Is it true that the webmaster sending traffic just gets the initial payment but makes no money on the rebills?
Are there enough surfers out there to support this kind of AEN-Model or do they know there is no "free lunch"?
DEVELISH
If you want rebills go with Ugas or Mancheck... or even try Rainbowpassport
Otherwise, you're just waisting your time with others...
Hey Develish!
AVS sites are not good anymore, at least not the free model... users are aware of the trick and they dont bite it anymore as in the past.
Also AVSs are supposed to be illegal, they are not supposed to be able to do that anymore nowadays...
if you want to go with a recurring program that maintains your members i suggest checking the AENs out there, for instance start by checking www.prideaccess.com
and if you need anything just hit me up on icq and i will gladly give you a hand!
cheers.
Thy
huh?
AVS are supposed to be illegal?!? BS
He means under the Visa rules for age verification.Quote:
Originally Posted by jIgG
Regards,
Lee
Only if the AVS doesn't comply with VISA's requirements, but considering how long some have operated VISA must be content with the way things are atm
AVS sites are far from dead!
They are not illegal. Far from it. If that was the case then VISA would not be allowing Mansites/Sexkey to offer free trials.
I love those who feel they are dead. And I encourage them to continue to think so. The more that feel they are dead, the less webmasters submitting. And ultimately the more signups for those who see the value in them.
Try this link:
http://manpics2000.com/new.htm
If they are dead why are webmasters submitting sites? To waste time?
Concerning FREE vs. PAID. It's a tough call which fits your model. I made 6,000 off one Mansites AVS a few years back. But I marketed it as my own paysite with feeder sites etc.
I have never had a worse than 1:30 conversion with Mansites to the join page. So, I can say with ALL honesty that at least under 1:30 feel the "free" model is ok.
In all honesty, it depends on the QUALITY of your site. IF you create a damn good site, people will join.
After that consideration, you have to look at how many own a pass, how much content you have in there. There is nothing as fun as having 2500+ UGAS members hit your site when you are on the NEW list and having them download 30 meg movies. Mancheck traffic is up as well, though not as much as UGAS.
IMHO, a HIGH quality site will do well with a smaller AVS. I don't care what people say about "FREE". It still sells...
"AVS" - Age Verification Service - yes they were considered illegal couple years ago... and lot of companies had to close due to the new regulations.
I owned 2 AVS sites few years ago and i did a lot of money myself... what i mean is that AVSs are not what they used to be and if you dont believe me then go and check some sites like www.universalpass.com that was very popular at that time and now they suck...
i didnt say that all AVS systems are dead, just that their time has passed and its not the same as before... plus lot of webmasters think that tricking the user that way is not good for anyone...
and one last thing... 6-7 years ago when i started i was going after the quick buck and i was doing the AVS game making tons per day.. while others were on the rebill deal and were doing 3 or 4 time less than me... but then after 1-2 years i was doing the same and they were doing 2-3 times more than me...
so if you ask me rebill is always better than going after the quick buck and thats what free avs's are made for.
Good for you....Quote:
Originally Posted by THY
Just the fact that you said that and your motivation for saying that, it shows your total ignorance in the business.Quote:
Originally Posted by THY
Too bad, I was going to market your program, even though I know of one webmaster who counted clicks out and what you recorded and there was a BIG difference..
i dont know why you take it personal really, AVS programs are illegal its not what i want or not... at least illegal to charge through visa.
i had my own programs so i know what im talking about...
There is NO AVS program out there anyomre. They are AEN's and Visa is well aware of what they are doing. And you know that Mansites is a memship sites with galleries and that their model is perfectly legal w/ Visa. Just as UGAS, Mancheck etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by THY
When you say AVS's are illegal you are saying MANCHECK, UGAS, and every other one....
Are you saying UGAS is illegal???
Don't you think VISA would have pulled the plug a while ago????
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Originally Posted by THY
I do not know why you are wasting your time talking to that guy, all he does is threaten people with BS and calls anyone that disagrees with him a host of names. Personally I blocked him, not that I would say that is what everyone should do. :angry:
i think i never mentioned those programs and i only said that AVSs are illegal... if i were saying that AENs are illegal then i would be including my program...Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
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Originally Posted by maxpower
im kinda new here and didnt know that, thanks.
i just wanted to make it clear that im not saying that those programs are illegal.
THY
If you are new here then you will not know Max is the board idiot. even Lee admitted that.
Do a search on my posts and hopefully you will see some sense in what I say.
YES, AVS are against Visa regulations, can't say illegal, but there are NO avses really now. I thought we understood that when we started this thread.
AVS is a term I just can stop using... :)
It happens after 7 years of using it...
You so implied Mansites my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by THY
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Originally Posted by THY
We know what you are talking about man, he’s just being argumentative.
@THY: http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...17604&p=151956
http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...17510&p=151312
http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...ad.php?t=16525
THY: read the forum before you make yourself a picture about how's who :D
DEVELISH :D
For someone with out even a basic understanding of free sites, avs sites or really anything else that you can not regurgitate on us it might be a good idea to pick your battles. Its nice that you want to be a lap dog for so many people, I just don’t think you really understand that is not going to get you anyplace. You are really the kind of person that can not think for themselves so you believe that others are going to point you in the right direction on everything, but I am sorry to say things in the real world do not work like that. I know you are not going to take what I say to be the truth, but maybe if your around in a few years you might get it. :penny:
Max,
You have used stolen content, argued w/ a lawyer, hijjacked every thread with you idiot replies.
And THY when I asked if anyone knew anything about prideaccess, Max said that the AVS/AEN model has not eveolved in five years and only GMP is any good.
Like I said, and as Lee said, HE IS THE BOARD IDIOT!
Every time someone posts on the boards that AVS/AEN is dead I just chuckle to myself.
For those of you that say AVS business model is illegal, you might want to call your lawyer. There was never any law passed that made them illegal. Credit card companies were going to refuse to process for those types of sites due to the implication that children could access porn. Credit card companies opened up their marketing plans to kids 16 and above. Smart idea for them, but that also allowed access to pay porn sites as well without raising any flags, and they did not want that stigma out in the public. So AVS or AEN has never been illegal.
AVS business model is not dead. Mansites and Sexkey have both been thriving just fine over the past 2 years.
Just remember that if you work with Mansites you are going to be paid ON TIME every 2 weeks. You will have the benefit of great conversion ratios, and you can reach either Craig or myself nearly all the time.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at any of the following ways:
ok sorry then, i thought that the Adult Verification Systems were declared illegal by visa... i guess that back then some programs closed doors due to other reasons.
and discussing about the free model vs the paid model is pointless i think... i just stated my point of view as an owner of both programs...
i didnt want to mean that mansites was dead, if that was understood then my apologies.
Dwayne is a great guy and the entire crew at ManCheck are top notch. I always enjoy running into them at the shows. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sexkeydwayne
Mark
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Originally Posted by THY
they closed because they either didn't want to go thru the trouble of complying with VISA or they thought they can ignore VISA
another kotex moment, brought to us by ...Hmm, (although I had hoped for something different) I was wondering when you would returnQuote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Speaking of the real world, did you see a :playboy: with a top hat and pocket watch hop on by?
I was suppose to me him for 11'sies (tea).