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First pro adult dont have a gay sign up page, just a very straight one, now
sex key have revamped their sign up pages and it has 4 girls on it and one guy? why dont they just do either generic ones (which worked well before) or do a gay version?
Does gay porn not sell anymore? are we now irrelivent?
Glad im not the only one to feel this way.
Of course gay porn is still big bucks. even no after so much has changed, and i struggled to get back into it, the sales are now coming through.
I run a straight site, i know knothing about women, but i do research, talk to straight freinds, get them to review the tours and content.
Its not difficult really $0.02
All things being equal and even some thing not being equal I will always try to go with a real gay run company. Like they say in the US buy America “even though we buy allot of stuff for China” If we do not support one of the only gay run industries what does that say about us? If these AVS site are not offering what you want or converting well FUCK them, their is many more fish in the sea. From some of your post I can tell your a few years behind the game, things have changed allot in the past few years. I really would not spend that much time worrying about some AVS man. :bullcrap:
I get what your saying max, but before sexkey did this its was starting to convert pretty well for me. Maybe im wrong and the new sign up page will work too, im guesing they beta it first.
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Originally Posted by marcjacob
You can and should have tried already, but AVS is not 20% of what it was a few years ago no matter what some people say. Now for some rare or fringe content is still can do ok, but even with that its days are numbered. Just seems you are getting all bent out of shape over a has-been program. :rip:
Results may vary I would test it, but would be ready to move on soon after.
i disagree, avs isnt dead. my avs sites are beginning to convert. there is still good money to be made. maybe not like 5 years ago but its still there for the taking.
AVS is good for a "door stop", + maybe a few extra sales, but that is about it. I can sell 3xs as many 24.95-29,95 membership than I can give away free AVS memberships. AVS is too generalized for the market now days, has not changed in 5 years, and about everything they offer you can get for free "well that is if you don’t pay them the extra 34.95+ a month LOL" But like I say go with what ya know. :turddance:Quote:
Originally Posted by marcjacob
avs does great for me, but thank goodness i didn't have my current gay sites on sexkey. i wonder how long that join page has been up - it probably won't do as well for str8, either - imagine how crappy that join page is for granny sites and ebony sites!
i don't know that this is about not caring about gay sites so much as it is trying to have a single generic join page. of course, anyone who has worked straight or gay paysites knows that the join page is a very important part of what makes people join but sexkey may only want members who are not looking for very specific content - or they may have just thought it would be easier for them if they had a single join page :(
I am glad to see that there are people standing up and saying that AVS is not dead.
Sexkey was started as a straight AVS, and we learned later that there was a considerable amount of gay/gay curious traffic inside of sexkey.
I know that it seems like we are only going after straight conversions, but that is not the case. I have seen gay webmasters who built gay sites for Mansites, and those particular sites wouldn't convert there, but after they submitted the exact same mirrored design to sexkey they started to get sign-ups.
I beg to disagree on your point that a straight person can do research and look at things, and know how to build a gay site. We have had more stright people go crazy trying to build things that work in the gay side of this industry. There is something inherent in the way a gay person can appeal their vision to other gay men. I am straight, and I know that I couldn't do it.
As for the banner, we have a new marketing manager, and we are working on beefing up all the marketing tools for all of our programs. I think you will find that we wanted to get away from the generic banners and move more towards a customized set of creatives for each niche. I think that you will all like the direction we are taking with things. Those are projected to be finished in 1 to 2 weeks.
Thanks for your patience and understanding. If you need anything, or just want to say HI, you can reach me at any of the following ways:
That rubbish, some of the best marketers of gay sites are straight webmasters.Quote:
Originally Posted by sexkeydwayne
Almost every large gay TGP is owned by a straight webmaster, BadPuppy, is primarily marketed by straight individuals.
I would agree that a lot of straight webmasters dont spend the time to learn to build gay sites but, to say that straight webmasters overall are no good at building gay sites is rubbish, thats like saying gay webmasters cant build good straight sites.
Regards,
Lee
Dwayne are you saying Sex Key will release a gay sign up script in the next two week? If so thats good enough for (more that pro adult managed in years!).
Sexkey, mansites, and GMP are ok and about the only AVS I would use, the others are a bit to cock blocking and do not work well with what I would like to do. If you use other AVS’s that will not let you place ads on your tour pages I would test the traffic you are sending to that site to really see how poor or good it is really converting. I bet you will find some really bad numbers in most cases with the raw traffic. :baa: :baa: :baa: :baa: :baa:
Max, different webmasters work different ways. Some do well with paysites, others with free/tgp and others with avs etc. Just because one webmaster cant convert with avs doesnt make it dead:crazyeyes:
I was talking about AVS webmasters. This thread is about AVS not about programs like Badpuppy, or TGP sites. It was regarding AVS sites.
I would never speak about something I know nothing about like TGP's or Badpuppy and who does their design work.
Max, thanks for the good words.
Marc, that is the plan to have all new creatives in place for our webmasters to use to better market their submissions. Looking forward to working with you more in the future.
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Originally Posted by sexkeydwayne
Sorry if im seem thick but that sounded like abit of a politicians answer. Are you going to introduce a gay/male sign up page? if so when can i expect that?
I still find that MANcheck converts best for me. They have one of the best premium members sections I've seen. And with only needing 100 pictures for a Plus gallery, it's not too hard to manage.
I try to sell UGAS, but those memberships are harder to sell. UGAS is great for upsell traffic to your secondary sponsors. UGAS Platinum's 300 picture require is a tough haul. Plus I find UGAS's approval process cumbersome: Submit a gallery, apply for Preferred status, submit a picture, get an e-mail notifying you that your gallery is being considered, another that your picture was approved, another giving you the Preferred script, even though you have a Preferred scripts already on the gallery. Man it just goes on and on.
Rainbow Passport is also a tough sell I find. They have really strict traffic leak rules, so you jump through hoops to provide a clean page, and then, they don't send much traffic. Plus with being located in the Netherlands, their join page is a little stilted in the language department.
I never tried Global Male Pass because they had a really bad reputation of taking forever to approve galleries. If I put a gallery up today, I want it approved within 24 hours, not sometime in the next two weeks.
I never tried Mansites. I'm really fond of rebilling, so I don't really like the one-time payout idea.
Cheers,
Michael
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Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
GMP is fast man, with-in 24hours normally like 5 or less no recurring I know of, but they do play well with others so they are on the top of my list.
Never said it was Dead man just a “Twitcher” :shitpoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by marcjacob
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Originally Posted by maxpower
You pretty much implied buy "has been" program and not "20%" of it used to be. Both statments are wrong. Check out SexKeys board. Webmasters are still converting, less that before granted but its still pretty strong and alot of webmasters are earning a good living off avs.
BTW I know of paysite owners who are struggling too, in these days where some free sites directories want 50+ pics, if tough for everyone. Paysite isnt that much easier. If you cant sell avs i dont see how your going to do well at paysites but thats just my $0.02
Hey Everyone,
I have been lurking on the board, but it's time I contribute.
MarcJacob, easy answer to your question, yes we can get you new creatives.
If you can shoot me an email at craig "at" mansites.com I will get with you and find out exactly what you need.
In regards to "do mixed companies care", I can answer for us and say Heck Yeah!
We are proud of our relationships and look forward to building more. I don't believe a company or webmaster has to be gay or straight to do a compelling site. I do believe they HAVE to do their homework though.
The last question about AVS's is that the one's left standing are doing very well. Visa had a hand in killing some AVS systems, and approving others. Visa had very strong issues about AVS's and who was in control of the content and who was responsible, Their big issue was when they would track a site that was doing something very wrong, site owners could point their fingers and say "it's not us". So Visa went out of its way to make sure responsibility was correctly assigned, and if you are accepting Visa's transactions, you know you are ultimately responsible for anything on your page. Their other issue was that they didin't like being used as a tool to verify age, as their business model includes minors who have cards under their parents. Mansites, I'm proud to say, was one of the first models they signed off on.
Currently, mansites is converting about 1/65, sunday was 1/44, and I'll match our conversions with most anyone. For a free sign up that pays $20 it's an easy moneymaker for most webmasters. Exit traffic alone is a no-brainer.
I will make it a point to be on these boards to answer any and all questions.
For those at the internext show, it was great seeing you, and it's good to be home after all the travel. Apparently with all the trouble at the airports, we got out of Florida at a good time.
-C
https://www.mansites.com/affiliates.cfm?ID=craig
Hey Lee,
Thanks for the quick reply to get a password for me. I look forward to hearing from all of you.
-C
Thanks craig, i emailed someone allready but if i dont hear back ill get onto you :)
I hope you do stay on this board, would be great to have you about.
Hey MarcJacob,
Would you please shoot me an email. I am trying to follow up on your questions, and make sure you are provided everything you need. I am at craig "at" sexkey.com or craig "at" mansites.com I'm not sure which compnay you logged into, so it is quicker if I can work with you directly.
-C
dwayne - the bottom line to me is whether sexkey will continue to have women on join pages selling only gay or solo male content. who cares about the banner that goes on our page? the join page has chicks on it.
for that matter, it's too bad granny and ebony sites that work so hard to sell memberships have to send their traffic to a page that is all white young females.
Hey BassChick,
I'm taking over the sales for Mansites, and the easy answer is yes, we will get a join page that is appropriate for gay traffic. Let me know if you have any additional questions. We should have this done shortly.
C
thanks craig.
are you going to redo the mansites tour? the pic choices are very weak and the tour itself could be more linear and focused on getting people to the join page.
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Originally Posted by mansites-craig
Craig thats great for mansites, very pleased to hear that, but my site on sex key cant stay on sexkey. Im not sending gay surfers to a sign up page with girls on it. (yes ill move that to you - gonna email you now!)
My thing is that i feel let down by sex key for doing this. I worry about other webmasters who arnt on this board, where will they go? ugas? gmp? gay passport?
We will change the join page on Sexkey, and for Mansites, for any critiques it may get, it still converts extremely well. Keep in mind your traffic. Is it targeted, and if so, to whom? Mansites does best being a gay site, where Sexkey has always done well for the group that isn't yet ready to join a gay site. We found that when we promoted from one site to the other, it didn't convert as well, holding true that they are two unique sites with it's own group of surfers.
No problems happy to help :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mansites-craig
Regards,
Lee