How Easily We Forget As An Industry..

I really cant beleive how easy it is for some of the programs who are actively scamming affiliate traffic, or shaving sales to make affiliates forget that is what is going on.

It would seem all it takes these days is a 'contest' or 'giveaway' on a couple of boards and everyone goes around saying how the program is 'top notch' and ran by 'stand up guys'.

When did we become so fickle as an industry?

5 years ago this type of thing would never have been tolerated, the program would have been blacklisted and their traffic would have dropped overnight.

I just dont understand what is happening to affiliates, has it really become so hard for them to make money that they will stand for cheating on the programs side of things so long as they get given freebies once it gets found out? :eek:

Regards,

Lee

names names names.... :broccoli:

I hear you. Looks at GGW. Simple contest thread and their previous failings where forgiven, im fact people said they were a better bet than before!

I find this crazy. I guess people get what they deserve if they use scammers and cheats.

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Originally Posted by marcjacob

I hear you. Looks at GGW. Simple contest thread and their previous failings where forgiven, im fact people said they were a better bet than before.

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Indeed.

I just dont understand that mentality, especially when it comes to GGW, there was the potential because of their records keeping (or lack of records keeping) to have sent thousands of webmasters to jail, yet people are STILL promoting them because of a single contest LOL

Regards,

Lee

Contests dont work for me. I think they work on a certain board because its full of newbie webmasters desperate to kiss as much as they can in the hope of a few bread crumbs being dropped from the "big boys" table.

Anyone with half a brain would steer clear of companies they know cheat, steal or got caught with explicit photos of children of their websites.

Whats with the code talk in this thread. Im worrying i promote one of these companies and dont know about it!

Can somebody at leaste PM me ? :crazyeyes:

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Originally Posted by samebb

names names names.... :broccoli:

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I agree

Just say it Lee

You know as well as a lot of us that keeping track of the thieves is hard to do , especially for those of us who are very busy

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Originally Posted by Squirt

Just say it Lee

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Just say what?

Im talking in general, not specific incidents although the GGW case is one of the most recent ones.

They pull a lot of DVD content that was licensed to affiliates, only for the affiliates that were using it to find out it was full of underage girls.

Girls Gone Wild then posted a 'contest' and everything was forgotten about.

Regards,

Lee

Im talking about GGW. It was more than forgotten about, people actually said they were more likely to be compliant now its been prooved they never were before! I mean seriously, would you take a risk like that?

What? Girls Gone Wild contained CP .. get the f__k out of here!
Now whose smoking *cough* crack?

A lot of webmasters don't care as long as they have a free towel giveaway, or some other kind of genius contest.

I love contests - they tell me when it's time to stop sending traffic!

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Originally Posted by Paco

I love contests - they tell me when it's time to stop sending traffic!

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Thats not always true dude. Look at IntenseCash. Mark did that contest for $2k which JUB won. I dont think that was a reason to stop sending traffic to intense cash was it ?

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Originally Posted by samebb

Thats not always true dude. Look at IntenseCash. Mark did that contest for $2k which JUB won. I dont think that was a reason to stop sending traffic to intense cash was it ?

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I was speaking in general.
I do not think ALL promotions suck, just a majority of them, so to be fair I say they do. If for no other reasons, how about for the fact that they typically offer me things that I am not interested in what so ever!!
- Give me a ski holiday to yurp (somewhere other than the US).
- Load up a GF card or an American Express and give me that.
- If giving away content how about making sure I can collect my entire prize from the niche that I promote (only big dick - not, oh we have some).

Just stop offering things that somebody whom is NOT in the US cannot actually use or have. Shipping a big screen TV from the US to Canada is fairly stupid especially when I have to pay shipping & duty - yah, great "gift".
Moreover, forget about iPods, Hummer, computers, DVD players etc.

How about the geniuses that were giving away a dining experiences to fine restaurant ... IN ARIZONA. I mean WTF, are you on? How about sending me that which they are smoking!

A certain program, which we used to send 55K-60K/period, jumped on the contest bandwagon. At first, I left things as is for a while until sales started screaming otherwise. They (give-aways) became routine as did the drop in sales/earnings. YANK! I got sick and tired of this occurring with many of the programs that had "special promotions".
Now, they are lucky if they see 5K!

Here's a "special promotion": offer the potential member 3-months for the price of two-months and pay me for three!
I win.
They win.
You win.
^ A true win-win-win situation that makes sense!

As far as I am concerned, sponsors that feel the need to always have special promotions should think about reward programs. Something similar to what PlatinumBucks already offers. Instead of rewarding just one account, how about showing appreciation to all webmasters, especially for those that say they do (appreciate all their webmasters/accounts).

That is a truly fair promotion, as far as I am concerned. of course, those that send next to nothing will not like it because they'll have to work harder to get better rewards.

You are correct - IC did have good promo, however, I was not sending to IC - they unfortunately do not offer BD specific/themed sites.

Good post Paco. And yes, i do agree a lot of US based companies feel it only needed to reward US webmasters. That or they dont realise the industry is worldwide.

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Originally Posted by samebb

Good post Paco. And yes, i do agree a lot of US based companies feel it only needed to reward US webmasters. That or they dont realise the industry is worldwide.

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*wiping brow*
phew - I was honestly worried that in my above rant I may have become a little too passionate.
I am always glad when I do not offend others (unintentionally).

This has been a really useful thread for me. AJ and I have been talking about doing some things to reward top affiliates and create incentives for current or new affiliates. I really like Paco's idea and woudl be very open for any other ideas people have.

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

This has been a really useful thread for me. AJ and I have been talking about doing some things to reward top affiliates and create incentives for current or new affiliates. I really like Paco's idea and woudl be very open for any other ideas people have.

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since you've opened it up to me, mind if I throw something in :evilgrin: ?

make sure the items are current. Platinum Bucks is offering a lot of electronics which are more or less obsolete or near worthless, like a 128MB MP3 player & a 3MP camera.
Dinosaur!

Id rather they saved their money and increased payouts.

I stir clear of contests too, or at least they don't make me promote a sponsor. I would much rather they would keep their Hummers and work on getting their site to convert better. And this I'm saying innocently, not even implying they, cough cough, shave...

That said, regarding the original post that started this thread, many of us are simply not aware of past scandals... The board owners have that historical perspective, and I would like to hope that a reputable board wouldn't want to be associated with scammers. I guess I really am innocent, huh? :beauty:

Here is an idea for you Chip. (its actually something im considering)

NATS, which you use and i soon will be has a built in reward system.
As Paco said, electronics, physical goods ect that need to be shipped is no good really. And stuff like Amazon gift certificates are also a bit worthless. In all honesty if something wants something like that they will buy it.

Here is an idea i have had.

Use the reward system for what could be called "affiliate packs".

For instance,

One of your prizes may be

2% increase on revshare for LIFE
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You can accomodate for refferals to for instance

1% refferal bonus for LIFE
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See basicly, yes your giving prizes, but everyone WINS.
Their price is to earn more.


Id actually like some opinons on this. I wasnt planning on saying anything untill i was planning it properly.

i like that idea. it rewards loyalty and hard work. that would incentivise me for sure.

i think it also ties in with that other thread about why should people who dont send that many sales get the same rate, this way they wouldnt but smaller webmasters dont loose out either.

i like it!

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Originally Posted by marcjacob

i like that idea. it rewards loyalty and hard work. that would incentivise me for sure.

i think it also ties in with that other thread about why should people who dont send that many sales get the same rate, this way they wouldnt but smaller webmasters dont loose out either.

i like it!

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Well when i launch on NATS shortly, i think thats going to be my reward program. I think i would even be willing for big affiliates, who have been sending traffic and sales for a LONG TIME to work up to 100% revshare!