Living in a RV?

Any of you guys start off your photograph experience with living in and using a RV to save money on the models you can fine with one travailing around North America (after 6 months of practice with the cam). Is this a bad idea or going to be a nightmare? Seems I could right it off, and I could go to fresh places and after I run out of people I can use then just move on. I would think getting models in Iowa or some place fresh would be a good idea, and cheaper.

Have I gone way to far into becoming white trash or what? Is it best to fly, get a motel room (guess you might need one anyway most of the time) and hope they show up? If I say in the area like 20-30 days then it my be easier to actually get most of them to show up/recruited

"All the Trailer park boy go round the outside"

I would get an Atlas and marking states where things are illegal and the activity of photographing/filming solo, duo, and hardcore could get you into trouble.

However, I could see you finding some real cute guys at RV Camping Grounds around the country.

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Originally Posted by IdolKnights

"All the Trailer park boy go round the outside"

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Remember blowing Bubbles when you were a younger?

told me to say thanks ;)
(sorry - I simply could not resist)

Max,

I don't think this is a bad idea. We've actually considered doing the same thing.

You do need to keep a good handle on where you're likely to have trouble with the cops, and I would suggest (if you're shooting in the RV) getting some fluorescent video lighting so you won't blow the breaker on the power supply to the RV. (Check out www.fotodiox.com)

If you really plan it out well, you can take out small ads in the local newspapers and particularly in the "penny saver" free weekly newspapers a couple weeks before you're going to be in a given town. Have the listed number go to a voicemail service that explains what you're looking for and the details of pay and so forth, then give your cell number at the end of the recording. It will save you repeating the same shit a million times, and also save you the grief of talking to the guys who don't want to jerk off for the camera.

Bill and John from HDK have been doing this on and off for the last couple of years from what i recall, they were definately doing it in Vegas and although i never had the opportunity to go see them in the RV im told it really was a home away from home for them.

Regards,

Lee

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Originally Posted by Lee

Bill and John from HDK have been doing this on and off for the last couple of years from what i recall, they were definately doing it in Vegas and although i never had the opportunity to go see them in the RV im told it really was a home away from home for them.

Regards,

Lee

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Ya I wish I could afford both, but with all the models, and other extra expensive like the RV itself, it would just take longer than I would like. I bet I can get a huge RV on 20 year loan, then take it back in 2 years or something. Sure I would lose some money on the traded in but, still bet I can get a deal on one.

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

Max,

I don't think this is a bad idea. We've actually considered doing the same thing.

You do need to keep a good handle on where you're likely to have trouble with the cops, and I would suggest (if you're shooting in the RV) getting some fluorescent video lighting so you won't blow the breaker on the power supply to the RV. (Check out www.fotodiox.com)

If you really plan it out well, you can take out small ads in the local newspapers and particularly in the "penny saver" free weekly newspapers a couple weeks before you're going to be in a given town. Have the listed number go to a voicemail service that explains what you're looking for and the details of pay and so forth, then give your cell number at the end of the recording. It will save you repeating the same shit a million times, and also save you the grief of talking to the guys who don't want to jerk off for the camera.

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Those are excellent ideas man, I am going to definitely start looking more into this stuff. Its really hard to get new models from what I get, well models we can use on our sites anyway. Do think filming on and off the RV is a good idea, I can think of all kinda of cool reality stuff to hide my inexperience with photograph.

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Originally Posted by IdolKnights

"All the Trailer park boy go round the outside"

I would get an Atlas and marking states where things are illegal and the activity of photographing/filming solo, duo, and hardcore could get you into trouble.

However, I could see you finding some real cute guys at RV Camping Grounds around the country.

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Was really thinking like Chip, as well as online of course, but my door will be always open to any cute guys on the road that need a few bucks. I am going to have to make sure how far I can take things legally, my tendencies really could get me in trouble with themes.

Max, I like the idea but are you not worried about legel stuff like consent forms and copies of id's and all?

Im just a designer i dont know the inner workings of an adult site.

Nothing about shooting content in an RV that travels around the country would inhibit one's ability to get proper ID and release forms from the models... there are a million photographers that go from city to city shooting content.

kewl i was just a wonderen :)

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

Nothing about shooting content in an RV that travels around the country would inhibit one's ability to get proper ID and release forms from the models... there are a million photographers that go from city to city shooting content.

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Ya thats not the things I worry about most, I think about things like how good will these satellite net connections be, how much will it cost to operate the RV, the power supply of the RV, can I tow my jeep, am I going to get in trouble for doing shoots in this state/country for 2-3 weeks then leave, and the availability/affordability of guys 18-22 I can use in shoots.

I know what I am talking about has to be a basic or first dream of many photographers, but really hope million photographers are not doing the same thing.

Hi there :D

I was wondering if Max needs different model-contracts for some of the states he *could* visit on his way?

Max: it would be hell of a trip and VERY beautiful but also hard work :D


DEV....

to me it sounds like a great way to do as long as you can overcome your logistical problems. Stop on by on your way lol :)

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Originally Posted by DEVELISH

Hi there :D

I was wondering if Max needs different model-contracts for some of the states he *could* visit on his way?

Max: it would be hell of a trip and VERY beautiful but also hard work :D


DEV....

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I am wondering how much it really matters to as long as I get the fuck out of Mississippi or something quick. As long as the are 18+ and not having sex with a dog or something I should be fine for a few weeks anyway I hope. :fucked:

THe hard work is easy, and yes I am sure it would be beautiful I have to stay way south in the winter though. Not sure how much "fun" it would be after 3 months, but think I could get some real good work done. I have to make my own content soon, no way around it I can see anymore. If I want to even attempt to run a first class service now days I need huge amounts of exclusive content that will be almost impossible to get or afford in any area for very long anyway. I am sure I can work this area for like 6 or maybe 8 months and get some good practice, but I know the pond will dry up quick.

Max do you already have a site? can you send the link to it id like to check it out if you do. If not let me know when your ready maybe we can help you out but setting your stuff up for you?

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Originally Posted by Randall Shamp

to me it sounds like a great way to do as long as you can overcome your logistical problems. Stop on by on your way lol :)

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Ya that could be another upside to doing this, I could really see some of my bigger affiliates, and other Indy people. I am still not sure really has to be cost effective and realistic, but could be something I would remember forever if I could pull it off.

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Originally Posted by Randall Shamp

Max do you already have a site? can you send the link to it id like to check it out if you do. If not let me know when your ready maybe we can help you out but setting your stuff up for you?

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Ya sure I will send you that now, really just waiting for paycom's affiliate program before I open it up for webmasters. Should be all working this month I hope anyway, and will have a another site to offer affiliates at the same time too.

lol you said indy people. Im from indianapolis (indy) took me a sec i thought you just lived down the street for a sec lol.

We can set up the site so it has control pannels so that you can do all your own uploads but we would just help you out with the over all design look for it (saves you money ;) )

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Originally Posted by Randall Shamp

lol you said indy people. Im from indianapolis (indy) took me a sec i thought you just lived down the street for a sec lol.

We can set up the site so it has control pannels so that you can do all your own uploads but we would just help you out with the over all design look for it (saves you money ;) )

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Well I do all my own uploads now :) am going to be getting even more graphics work done soon, but think I might give my original design company the first shot with my promotional packages.

No problem. I do like your site tho very nice. :) , resonable price, good content

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Originally Posted by Randall Shamp

No problem. I do like your site tho very nice. :) , resonable price, good content

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Thanks I appreciate that, many people have work very hard on creating that site :heart:

He shouldn't need different releases in any particular state. We have some language in our release that dates back to when a predecessor company to Gaybucks shot some content in North Carolina, where there are some interesting laws that require that the content have "educational and redeeming value," but I'm not sure that's even required any more.

Max, I think I'd go with Verizon or Sprint's nationwide cellular-based internet rather than try to mess with satellite. From what I've heard it's not very consistently reliable or very fast. And you can always find a Starbucks with a Tmobile hot spot and do your uploads that way.

As for the RV, go for one with a rear-mounted diesel engine. It will cost more, but will be able to tow a jeep, and the diesels are better on gas. The motorhomes that we rented when I worked in the touring entertainment business got 8 to 10 miles/gallon, and the onboard generator was pretty decent for providing power for laptops, though you'd definitely want fluorescent rather than incandescent lighting, as you'd never have enough power otherwise.

Thanks for the tips Chip, I need to rent one as well first, and I will think about/test that nationwide cellular-based internet. Why have you never done this before, I am sure their must be something wrong with this idea that I have not thought about. I know it would suck to live on one of those things anyplace cold I guess, but I have drive a really big Uhal and towed my jeep so its not like I can not do it. I wonder how much I can get one for a month, for something like that I could travel anyplace in the USA or even Canada to pick it up. I would think I could get a really good deal, but I do have to take care of a few things first as well as I need to learn more about even shooting content, and getting people to show up.

NO mater how I look at it, I need truly exclusive content, and to open many sites I need a huge amount of it.

These are the folks we used years ago when I was in the entertainment business. They are a small independent RV dealer and rent RVs owned by private owners. Near as I can tell they don't hav a website, but 10+ years ago they had much better deals than the larger national RV rental places:

SAL Enterprises
5000 Akron Cleveland Rd
Hudson, OH 44236
(330) 656-4014

RVs aren't cheap, a nice one is probably going to be $1000-2000/week plus mileage.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea; we've talked about it before, we just didn't have the time to take 4 or 6 weeks off to shoot content, and since we do mostly large shoots now, driving from place to place didn't make as much sense. But AJ just inherited a rather large RV from his grandfather, and so we've talked about the possibility of using it this summer for just such an endeavor.

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

These are the folks we used years ago when I was in the entertainment business. They are a small independent RV dealer and rent RVs owned by private owners. Near as I can tell they don't hav a website, but 10+ years ago they had much better deals than the larger national RV rental places:

SAL Enterprises
5000 Akron Cleveland Rd
Hudson, OH 44236
(330) 656-4014

RVs aren't cheap, a nice one is probably going to be $1000-2000/week plus mileage.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea; we've talked about it before, we just didn't have the time to take 4 or 6 weeks off to shoot content, and since we do mostly large shoots now, driving from place to place didn't make as much sense. But AJ just inherited a rather large RV from his grandfather, and so we've talked about the possibility of using it this summer for just such an endeavor.

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Sorry to hear about AJ’s grandfather, its really cool that your thinking about doing this as well man, please keep me informed about anything you might learn on the way man. I think North America is a big place see no need to worry about sharing info. I will check out those guys in Ohio, I am all existed wanting to go NOW. :groovy: but this is a big idea I have to take it slow, could go very bad

Ya I can not really do the large shoots you do now I know that, and not sure you can do that kind of shoot too often using a model work area like a RV. I am going to be making amateur or reality content, anyway so might as well play it up. Its not like I can do much else, but think I can pull that off