JUB Links Manager?

I must say I am a bit excited I sent 4 sites to JUB and 2 were accepted and 2 where rejected. I am not sure which of our JUB board members are a “Links Manager” but would love to prefect these sites or just know what the real problem was with other 2 sites. If you happen to have anything to do with the approval process for JUB please PM me so I hope we can work this out. :maxpower:

What started all this was my yearly traffic tests in which JUB free site traffic is up almost 50% over last year (around 450 hits in the first month each free site) I would suggest everyone take another look at JUB now if you do not have them in your link package. Not that its a huge amount of traffic or anything, but sounds like it might me worth another look.

talk to bryce or andy-mike and i'm sure one of them help ya out.

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Originally Posted by basschick

talk to bryce or andy-mike and i'm sure one of them help ya out.

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Ya I hope so its just been such a up and down relationship in the past I would really like to get it at least stabilized if possible. Is kind of weird to get ½ accepted and the other half rejected, but gives me hope it might be easy to fix.

Hey there,

Andy does the directory approvals. He should have listed any reasons why a site wasn't approved in the decline email. But I'll be sure he sees this thread and responds to you.

Cheers,
Bryce

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Originally Posted by JustBryce

Hey there,

Andy does the directory approvals. He should have listed any reasons why a site wasn't approved in the decline email. But I'll be sure he sees this thread and responds to you.

Cheers,
Bryce

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It gave a reason but was a very vague, and generic response. I must say I would rather be notified about a problem than them just not listing the site. So don’t think I am bitch too much about it at all, would just love to work things out when he comes around.

I never have problems with JUB, their actually one of the better directories in the sense that they tell you why your rejected (in my case i forget to add the recip most often) - many dont even let you know that they arnt listing you. That bugs me because how can i fix it if i dont know whats up?

Hey Maxpower,

First off, thanks for the submissions.

The reason those two sites where rejected is the use of "Teen", "Boy", and "Teen Boy" in the titles and descriptions. Please feel free to change those words, or make an alternative version without them for us and we will be happy to list it.

With the use of those words and with the guys looking so young, it could be implied pretty easily that the models may have not been the proper age to be in porn. We are just a bit sensitive that that issue.

Thanks!
Andy

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Originally Posted by maxpower

I must say I am a bit excited I sent 4 sites to JUB and 2 were accepted and 2 where rejected. I am not sure which of our JUB board members are a “Links Manager” but would love to prefect these sites or just know what the real problem was with other 2 sites. If you happen to have anything to do with the approval process for JUB please PM me so I hope we can work this out. :maxpower:

What started all this was my yearly traffic tests in which JUB free site traffic is up almost 50% over last year (around 450 hits in the first month each free site) I would suggest everyone take another look at JUB now if you do not have them in your link package. Not that its a huge amount of traffic or anything, but sounds like it might me worth another look.

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NP ok, I guess we will just have to see how things work out man, it will be all but impossible not to use the word “boy” as in (Beanie Boy Brandon) or any other title that is using a “B” word. But the combination of the words in titles and images that in a reviewers opinion look really really young, I am sure will be far in-between, or far enough that I should not have to worry that much I guess.

If you should ever have a problem with any of the images I can always provide documents if you need them. I look forward to sending you guys a few sites a week, and will try to work with you in way I can.

Thanks SEan

I'm wondering what's up with submissions to gayblogdirectory. Listed some sites weeks ago and nothing up yet.

Hey Max,

It's more of a cumulative effect. The word "Boy" as used in "Beannie Boy Brandon" won't get your rejected. Afterall we are JustUs"Boys" :)

It's when you have the world "teen" and "teen boy" plus young looking guys as a theme that it becomes a slippery slope.

I hope that helps clarify.

Ya I understand man, its cool. I will try to watch the word boy in the titles a bit, but like you said sometimes its going to be hard to get around the combination of the word boy or teen in titles of sites that a reviewer might also think the guys look really young. (in fact these are Teen Boy sites after all) But all this said I belive I can get 2/3-1/2 or more of the sites approved and I can live with that :)

Its all cool, Just glad to be sending sites to Just Us Boys now too. :x

happy to have ya...

Bec.. I'll check with Andy on the blog directory. It's been a busy couple of weeks here so I think it might have accidentally got put on a back burner. I'll go light a fire :)

It's great that JUB is so diligent in the sites they are approving. Even with a site as big and diligent as theirs some slip through the cracks. Googling teen boy on JUB brings some results including rapidshare links to content for a russian teen boy orgy, something about boylove, and a few other links.

Speaking of rapidshare you guys might want to look at your forum posts to rapidshare videos of producers content. Seems members are talking about their favorite models/sights and linking to rapidshare videos of content they should pay for.. like BrokeStraightBoys, etc.

It's a tough job you guys have and keeping those forums in check has GOT to me a monumental task. You guys are doing a great job and I'm just pointing out a couple things I came across. Keep up the great work!

Max why not put in the description some qualifying text like 18 year old boys or something.

Well its not that many hits, and I have to name MANY sites so I can not say the same thing over and over again

I would love to just use a disclaimer or something though

some site do not like number in the titles

It is how these things work, at least i find it that way. Unless they look really young like mike 18. Then you have a problem whatever you say.

What about a disclaimer that says at the bottom of every page (the words teen and boy in the title or text where only intend to determine sex and ALL models are 18+) or something like that. Yes I know its a long shot but he got me thinking about that again.

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It is how these things work, at least i find it that way. Unless they look really young like mike 18. Then you have a problem whatever you say.

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Ya I am going to try to watch it more when I name them, and not send JUB some when I know they will not take it. Its new, but I am sure soon I will work everything out and it will work smooth on both ends. :juggle:

Just say in the description "cute 18 year old teen boys" instead of "cute teen boys". Id guess thats all they need.

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Originally Posted by marcjacob

Just say in the description "cute 18 year old teen boys" instead of "cute teen boys". Id guess thats all they need.

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Well I was thinking about putting the disclaimer on every page at the bottom next to the 2257. I could add that some times to the description but not sure that would help much and I hate having to do the same thing in to may of my sites description just takes away from them.

Max,

We've been over all this ground before, but I'll try again to perhaps help you see it from the perspective of the people making the decisions about such things, since we (Gaybucks) are in that same space and confront the same issues.

What the people like processors, Visa, major traffic sites like JUB, etc are looking at is the *overall impression* the site gives off.

To give an extreme example, if you have pictures of guys who already look like they're on the edge agewise, wearing Boy Scout outfits, standing in front of a school bus, it won't matter if you have "EVERYONE ON THE SITE IS 18+" in bold letters at the bottom of every page, because any reasonable person will conclude that you are trying to imply that the guys are underage even if, in fact, all of the documentation is in order.

In the current climate, given the Justin Berry thing, the Brent Corrigan issue, and the Bush administrations focus on obscenity and CP, any responsible organization is going to shy away from anything that looks questionable.

Same situation with Mike18. It says all over the site "THESE GUYS ARE 18 AND IF YOU WANT CP, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE" but that's a wink-and-nod disclaimer, because anyone with a brain can tell that some of those guys clearly have faked documents. That is why so many affiliates, link lists, TGPs, etc. won't accept their site for promotion.

We run fairly close to the line with Boyfunk in terms of the language we use, but we've thought it out very carefully and haven't had any problems. Even so, we are going to soften some of the language we're using on the next version of the tour because, in this environment, we just aren't comfortable with the idea that anyone could infer that our models are under age.

I know that you (correctly) believe that if you can imply the guys are underage or very close to underage that you will increase conversions, but I really don't think it's in the best interest of your business to market that way. Practically speaking, it will more likely make you a magnet for the Feds, and from an ethical perspective, promoting near-CP to an audience of porn buyers is just not a wise idea if you give a shit at all about the safety of kids.

I believe that you can mostly have your cake and eat it too. Choose a middle ground in your language that doesn't imply underage, let the youthful appearance of the models speak for itself, include plenty of disclaimers that your models are over 18, and people shouldn't object.

I am used to this for members sites and the banks, but these are free feeder sites we are talking about. They are basically disposable, and I have to make god knows how many a year. I will play the game the way they need me too, but the net is a big place (not really) and this is a isolated issue. ;)

When you think about it the 450+ clicks are cool, but the words Boys, Teen, Teen Boys, ECT sell better and get more traffic other places maybe even 15-20% so this is a compromise I guess more than anything. I am sure I will work things out this is not a big problem, I have many sets of guy that do not look 17ish. I also make many site that do not use those words because hell I can not call every site (Teen Boy Virgins Violated) LOL