I don't know anyone from these two companies, so please pass this site along to them if you do. It is full of links to their pirated videofiles.
http://www.bananacock.blogspot.com/
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I don't know anyone from these two companies, so please pass this site along to them if you do. It is full of links to their pirated videofiles.
http://www.bananacock.blogspot.com/
Not just Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher on there! Lot's of other companies as well. What a scumbag.
Burn him down.... ! He's also promoting content from the file sharing network Rapidshare....
I don't understand how BlogSpot allows these bloggers to continue to operate. All they are doing is linking to pirated content. This one in particular irritates me - such an original name!
I'm sure that Blogspot would respond to a DMCA notice, but the frustrating part is these guys just turn around and create a new blog somewhere else.
Maybe if a few of 'em get stung with a high dollar infringement lawsuit it would send the word that this isn't such a smart idea.
I sent an email to some guy who had literally 3/4 of one of our most popular photo sets posted in his online blog. When he responded, he (I think genuinely) said it never occurred to him that we would mind. He immediately took the stuff down, we gave him permission to use a dozen images if he linked to our site, and all was well... but a lot of these guys are just assholes who want to steal.
What's messed up is that it takes good ole Blogspot ages and a half to respond to the DMCA notices we send out on a regular basis regarding a considerable number of blogs operated on their site and existing for the sole purpose of distributing copyrighted content in violation of copyrights.
We send out, on average, 10-15 DMCA complaints to Blogspot per week. We could send way more but we choose to do it on a scheduled basis, combining as many violations as possible on the same complaint.
By the time Blogspot responds to our DMCA complaints, it has literally been weeks since we'd faxed it in. Between the submission of the DMCA complaint and Blogspot doing anything about it, there have been countless more pirated videos posted.
Further still, I make it a point to reference previous DMCA complaints about particular blogs if sending in a new one. So, for example, I will let Google know the DMCA complaint being sent is the 8th or 9th one in reference to a particular blog, and include copies of the previous DMCA complaints for that blog.
They still don't take any action against the blog operator. The just remove the pics (we can only complain about the pics because those are hosted on Google's servers. The vids are on those filesharing services and Google will do nothing about that) and let them keep doing what they're doing.
Sites like rapidshare respond much faster. But regardless, it can still take forever to try and play cat and mouse, submitting complaints at the same pace at which the pirated material is posted.
BTW I just want to point out again how little regard I feel Google/Blogspot has for copyrighted material (and that's why I think YouTube is trouble in the making for a lot of mainstream producers of creative works).
Sendspace will remove files the instant you submit a complaint to them. The process is automated.
Megaupload usually responds in very short orderl, as well. They also used to have an automated process in which the instant a complaint was sent, the referenced file would be deactivated.
Rapidshare would remove a file the instant their abuse department read the email, and would even make it a point to establish a dialogue with a regularly-complaining copyright owner so that you could easily submit complaints to them and get fast responses (at least that was my personal experience after getting passed their auto-replies).
Other hosting companies do the same.
Google/Blogspot? They'll sit on a DMCA complaint for weeks at a time. And could give a rat's ass if a particular blog operator has received upwards of dozens of complaints regarding their blog. They've made the conscious decision, I feel, that responding slowly and encouraging individuals to use their service, even if it means allowing them a great deal of freedom and flexibility to violate copyrights, is more important than ensuring people use the service lawfully and legally. They'd rather have 1,000,000 copyright-violating bloggers than 500,000 law-abiding bloggers.
btw, Titanmen, thanks for the heads up.
And thanks Trevor, from BananaGuide, as well. :)
Brian,Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinFisher_BD
If the CF videos are registered with the copyright office, you might want to talk with Chad. He is working with another adult industry attorney and they have developed a fully automated system that spiders the site, notes the videos or stills found that belong to your site, and AUTOMATICALLY generates a DMCA *complaint* (not just a takedown notice, a civil complaint, ready to be filed in court) complete with all the infringement information, the statutory fines, and the total amount being sued for. If there are a bunch of videos or images, it can be in the high millions of dollars.
If you could show a pattern of Google/Blogspot being slow or nonresponsive to DMCA requests, as I understand it, that removes the DMCA safe harbor for ISPs, and you might be able to name Blogspot. This would most likely result in both the rapid removal of your content, a change in their policy, and probably a tidy settlement. (I believe they do this deal on a contingency basis, you'd have to check with Chad.)
This is the sort of thing that I think is a brilliant way to put enough sting in infringement that people will be less likely to continue to infringe, and people like Google will be quicker to respond.
Sounds like an interesting product, Chip. I'll have to keep an eye out to see if anyone else is offering something similar. Thanks for the info!
I was getting a bit worried .... since I snatch non- x-rated pictures from my affiliates, when I promote them from my blog.
So what do these ppl get from stealing content?
What's the pay-off?
Updates to their sites, which in many cases automatically pings the blog networks each time a blog is updated, thus resulting in more traffic to the blog, thus resulting in possible sales for that blog to it's sponsors, if any...Quote:
Originally Posted by Madame0120
Not to mention the dilutive effect of exclusive content being used in unauthorized places...
He's taken a little off almost everyone's plate, hasn't he?
Welcome to our world! I just got year-end reports for 2006 and last year we sent out over 318,000 DMCA take down notices for the infringement of our content. Those numbers represent a 40% decline from the previous years.
Our anti-piracy measures are having some effect, at least on our content. But, all it really does is push people into stealing other peoples content. They simply move onto content from studios that do not actively and aggressively protect their content.
We estimate that at best we catch 10% of our infrigements, which means there were over 3,000,000+ illegal downloads of our films in 2006. Unless people in the industry pull their heads out of the sand and start doing something, the entire industry is heading for disaster!
Here's another one full of Titan, Falcon, Corbin Fisher and Randy Blue clips and films...Quote:
Originally Posted by Titanmen
http://gaytorrentnews.org
:eek:
Maybe you should sue one of the smaller webmasters, let it be well known that you have. That might scare a few of the others into pulling the illegal content down if they think you will target even small time sites.
This sucks big time. It should really be a criminal offence as its theft.
It's really so stupid .. smart enough to build a site, but too stupid to see the potential in doing it the honest way, and sign up as an affiliate.
:cash:
It's occured to me.... are many of these sites run by teenagers?
In the 1980s a great many of the hackers were just teens who had plenty of time on thier hands and lived in their own rooms in very comfy suburbs.... like Plano TX, the Woodlands TX, Highland Park, IL. Ma Bell and other companies had to change their calculus of confrontation when their tacks led to kids.
Steve
So many of these guys aren't even earning a dime from ripping videos. They just put them on torrents because they get-off on file sharing. And as desslock says, I bet a lot of them are young and don't have any money. And since they aren't members of any webmaster community how are they going to find out they they may be subject to legal action? I guess they may have file-sharing communities, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcjacob
There are some people who genuinely are fans, and they are just very enthusiastic about the videos they share. It just doesn't occur to them there is a huge conflict between being a fan and appreciating the quality of the video, and ripping it off and hurting the company that created it.
When you email that blogger and politely tell them what they are doing to your ability to continue making more movies, they respond well. They take them down. They choose to stop posting them and any other videos and change the nature of their blog. I've dealt with a number of individuals like that.
However, most just don't care either way. They like the "celeb status" of having a high-traffic blog with lots of comments and requests pouring in from their visitors. They do it because of that, primarily. They like the attention. Which is why the put the effort and energy (minimal as it is) in to posting links to videos up. Some also do make some revshare money, but a great many I've seen don't even do that. They just want a ton of people coming to their website so they can feel cool.
Blogs is an issue that is controlable. Torrents are not.
Should one assume that paysite owners now have to hire a new person to watch and read and ask for images to be removed or be correctly linked?
Maybe that refers to Lee's past comments when the cost of business is not worth having affiliates and the headaches.
I think one should very well assume that. It is at the point where that is as much a part of the cost of doing business as paying for hosting, if you ask me. That much of a given, and that much of a necessity.Quote:
Originally Posted by wnc
The costs involved when talking about piracy go beyond just lost revenues (which can be substantial and even immeasurable. How many initial signups and rebills do you lose on account of piracy?) but also involve the time and money spent fighting it. Staffers get stuck having to track down piracy, distracted from other important tasks. Instead of being involved in revenue generating activity such as marketing, recruiting, filming, and the like.
On our end, we had everyone at the company spend some time sending out DMCA notices and emails and the like when and if things came to our attention but that became such a task that it got to the point we really did need someone doing nothing but that, fulltime. There's a whole salary, payroll taxes, benefits and what not all going to that.
Guys, I completely understand that it is a problem. But I just have to point out something:
You guys aren't the first company ever to deal with theft and loss prevention. Any company of any size receives it.
It's a part of business.
Should the street produce vendor stop displaying outside since several apples and pears will assuredly "walk away?" Why not compare the losses of a Internet adult website vs. a brick and mortar retail store.
Yes, when guys steal your website videos and distribute them for free, that is a loss. But as I mentioned earlier, it's a normal cost of doing business.
Once way back in my Radio Shack days, we constantly battled people writing hot checks for things. I once sold a $800 laptop to a guy to had gone on a weekend binge cleaning out the town of camcorders, radar detectors, other pawnables. (My words to Tandy Loss Prevention - hey I followed company proceedure ;-) )
And that's not counting people who grab an electronic items which I've chased out the store.... or answered alarm calls at 4am because someone stole a truck, drove it through the store's front glass, and grabbed all the vcr's and camcorders.
How would your loss prevention woes compare to that of Macy's or Circuit City? I'm not asserting one enjoys more or less, but it's an interesting question.
One advantage to the internet is the easy, inexpensive means of distribution.
I guess not everything is a free ride. Easy, inexpensive distribution can also mean easy illegal distribution as well.
There will always be loss. It just needs to be kept minimal.
Steve
[ I just remembered a funny motto from Loss Prevention they told all employees --- Always cover your ASSets ]
Once difference though, Steve, is the attitude people have towards online content theft.
Online content is ethereal. Intangible. These people stealing video files, in many cases, have absolutely no concept of it being theft or even inappropriate in any way.
You bounce a check at Radio Shack and it's pretty much universally agreed that's a bad thing. Shoplift or steal from a brick and mortar business and everyone knows it's a crime and wrong.
Online, however, you can have entirely, fully, completely law abiding people - their only transgression being theft of music and video files. Because people don't view that as theft. The lack of a physical product has them thinking they're not really stealing anything from anybody at all.
So you're battling way more than just theft and piracy itself. You're battling a culture and belief system in which the theft and piracy is perfectly acceptable behavior. You're not just trying to fight the measurable monetary losses. You're fighting this mindset in which there is nothing wrong with the thieving.
Online, you can throw up a blog with blatantly stolen videos and distribute them openly, freely, and without hassle whatsoever. Your peers encourage it. Sites like Blogspot and flash video sites make it extremely easy to do so. There is no consequence, and that feeds in to the belief there's nothing wrong with it.
That guy passing bad checks at your Radio Shack couldn't park a van in the townsquare and sell all those hot items out the back of it without raising suspicion or getting in trouble. Bloggers distributing pirated content can.
Yes, fighting theft is a given. Anyone who has worked in retail has heard that speech many a time. But it goes way beyond just product theft in the case of online, creative materials. It's a belief system we're fighting against.
Point taken. It is an attitude. Although isn't it fair to say that compared to six or seven years ago, more people than ever turn to legal distribution methods for movies and music? I have friends who buy off iTunes all day long. In 1998, they probably would have been doing the same thing via file sharing. That attitude will continue to fade when producers make ther products available in ways so that a black market no longer needs to exist.... or just marginally exist. Either its no longer profitable, or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinFisher_BD
I find the line between customer service and protecting intellectual property interesting, and one that will continue looking for resolution for some time.
In regards to, say. the RIAA - I don't think an industry can stay in business by sueing its own customers. Sure Viacom wants royalties if its stuff plays on YouTube, but that also essentially was upturning a middle finger at the army of fans for the Daily Show and the Colbert Report.... to the same people who the same day make the ratings for their own shows.
PS - if you happen to ever steal some radar detectors or cameras, you don't need to open your van in the town square. Do what everyone else does and go to the pawn shop and take the cash. It's easy. Or... wait.... this is the 21st century.... take advantage of the new methods of distribution --- sell it on eBay!
Steve
I know youīre probably going to tar and feather me for this, but i have to write it anyway:
We buy lots of content copyrights since about 12 years (videos and pictures) I used to fight all that stuff with copyright infringement too. It cost me a hell of a lot of money to do this (attorneys, court and so on) and the outcome was very bad. Once you get a site down it opens up somewhere else. and you got blogs, torrents, file sharing edonkey, tubesites... where do you want to start?
I had to realise, that you really canīt fight this at all. It would be like fighting globalisation or even fighting the internet. Would you go at google if they have links to filesharing sites? You wouldnt even think about it.
We all go through pains and pains of trying to make our content known (AND lots of money to produce it or buy the copyrights). But once i realised that i cant fight it, my life got much better. We use the fact that people have traded and WILL in future trade files to get our sites known. You waste hours and hours on TGPīs putting your content up. Hell these guys spread the stuff FOR YOU and it doesnt cost you a single cent.
Put a freaking watermark on all of your content including the url and at least you get free advertisement to your sites. It wont cost you any traffic to promote your sites. If you keep adding new stuff on your sites at a reasonable monthly price your paying customers will stick with you.
And since the day we stopped fighting these bad webmasters we have increased our revenues, we cut costs immensly since (we invest THAT MONEY into new stuff for our paying customers) and we have much more time to put our human resources into making money instead of trying to get other peoples sites down.
Now you can stone me for this totally "bad" view of things.....
sorry! i forgot to add one thing:
we still go at guys who add our content to their paysites and take money for viewing it. we get them directly a their balls.... just to make that point clear. :shades:
In a perfect world, pirated content with watermark would be free promotion, enticing a certain percentage of viewers you'd never have otherwise have been brought to the attention of to sign up.
But I'm not convinced that's the case. What I think is happening, instead, is that people are being further conditioned to seek out stuff for free and avoid paying at all costs, thanks to the amazing ease with which they can acquire everything for free.
Your site doesn't become a destination on their web browser. Instead, the site featuring your pirated videos becomes the destination on their web browser and the only place they will ever go to get your videos.
When it's so easy to get everything for free, they have zero incentive to buy - regardless of how great you make your site, how great you make your videos, or anything else.
Once they're conditioned to get it all for free, they're lost.
So that's why I feel it's important to hassle these sites. Get them shut down. Get videos removed from the networks. Make it difficult to get them. Have individuals distributing pirated content, as well as individuals seeking out pirated content, to get conditioned to the fact that it's an unreliable means of acquiring it, it can be difficult and inconvenient, they can't expect good quality or resolution, they have to go through hoops and up ladders to get it, and constantly have to seek out new ways to find it.
There will always be piracy, but it's key that it can't become so easy to the mainstream masses that there's no longer an incentive to pay.
And, quite frankly, I'm not content to let huge numbers of people get all the stuff for free in the hopes a small but decent enough percentage will come out of those masses willing to buy.
sorry to be nagging corbin but here are the results for corbin fisher and rapidshare on google... 25.000 links.... are you going to try and get them all down?
http://www.google.com/search?q=corbi...n&start=0&sa=N
dont get me wrong. i dont approve piracy, but as long as there arent any real global ways of fighting it, itīs in my opinion no use to try. but as i said: its just my personal point of view
I totally agree, and well put.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinFisher_BD
A couple months ago two of my sites were uploaded to upthebum.org part of Gaytorrentnews.org.
And I don't mean a few videos from my sites.. I mean ALL OF THE CONTENT from two of my sites.
I've sent the S&D to no avail, as others will.
The fucked up thing is they have an upload/download system where if you download more then you upload to their site you're "account" is suspended. WTF? So in order to be an active member you are encouraged to keep stealing from other sites, so you can keep downloading stolen content that others take.
It's mind numbing to watch all the "thank yous" and "great videos" posts that users submit after dowloading your whole sites for free. Totally wrong and fucked up.
Well, I don't doubt a great many of our videos are out there. But it should also be noted not every one of those 25,000 google results was a pirated video. Not a very good marker.Quote:
Originally Posted by padabum
Try and get them all down? Not necessarily. Try and get every single one we're made aware of taken down? Definitely.
I'd like a good number of people going to blogs to get their free porn fix to click through to a link that says "video has been removed" and get all frustrated that keeps happening. I'd like blog operators to constantly get emails and comments from their readers bemoaning removal of videos shortly after their posting of the link. I'd like blog operators to keep having to change the upload service they use 'cause they're tired of the files constantly being deleted. I'd like surfers to spend awhile downloading a video only to find out it's not what they were expecting, hoping for, or of such poor quality they can't get off to it.
I want people to know the flat out easiest, most reliable way to get ahold of the content is to pay for it. Rather than have to dig around looking over a ton of different blogs to see who might actually have the videos today and who hasn't been busted yet.
Attentive and dedicated attention to combatting piracy can go quite far towards accomplishing all of that.
That's another thing that totally blows me away! The attitude that is made obvious through the comments. Patting the poster on the back as if they did anything! As if they were the ones that created that video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Or the blogger discussing all the work they put in to getting the videos up and expecting thanks. Or even bloggers ranting and raving about how the videosharing services keep deleting the videos, as if they're being wronged or something.
As you say, totally mind numbing.
Bittorrents really are the worst, though. The filesharing services are pretty good about removing stuff. But the torrents and those that facilitate that system could give a rat's ass.
Bit torrents are the worst. I can understand a video here or there, but still wrapping my head around whole sites being uploaded to torrents. It's like raiding a store and taking EVERYTHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinFisher_BD
Maybe I'm not sending the right S&D or sending it to the wrong place. Does anyone know how these companies got on this torrents "BANNED VIDEOS" list? If so , let me know so I can see how to get my content off this torrent. :
Men@Play vids
ChaosMenInAustin
EnglishLads
doggyboy.com
Sundaze
CP Services London
Sting Pictures / STG Pictures Ltd
Spanking Central
Vista Video
Eurocreme
with their substudios Bare, Beau Mec, Bloc, Bulldog XXX, First Crush, Punkz, Raw, Rudebois, Twinkz
Julius' Drawings
corbin i know that the google thing isnt exactly totally right. but the point is you would have to go through all those links to see if it is a link to your ripped content or not (and thats just google). and since there is no global internet law you cant even get at 80% of the people.
and i would also like a world, where all people would be good and live in freedom and peace. this kind of world doesnt exist in the internet though (nor anywhere else).
but please go ahead and fight that fight. itīs good for all of us. believe me, we have spend more than 150.000 $ in the past years to try JUST that. i am just plain tired of putting money into that fight with no outcome at the end.
I don't think things are as hopeless as you might believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by padabum
There are a great many individuals involved in piracy, no doubt. But those great many individuals are all tied together by the shared networks they use to engage in piracy. Those shared networks include the blogs they go to, the online communities they go to, the online groups and forums and social networking sites and other venues through which they communicate with another to share videos.
Those are the things you go after. And they are much fewer in number than the individuals.
I've personally shut down entire blogs on Google's blogspot - not by getting Google to take them offline, but getting their readership so sick and tired of clicking on links only to find the video was removed that all those surfers stopped going to that blog. Or getting the operator of that blog so sick of having to repost videos or find new filesharing sites to use or so sick of their readers bitching and moaning about deleted files that they gave up on the blogs.
It's an ugly word, but "harrassment" does well to describe it. Harrassing these blogs and communities not through any illegal means but by getting their ISPs to enforce their own TOS's, making it such a pain in the butt to do what they're doing that they give up.
I agree with Corbin_Fisher_BD on this one. There are many ways to combat the pirates, particularly by not tolerating bloggers who indiscriminately link to pirated videos. Any blog that becomes "known" as a cool place to find links to pirated videos will quickly become known to the companies whose stolen content is being given away. Getting the file sharing services to drop a particular file is not that difficult and causes frustration for the visitors to the blog, hopefully enough that they will stop visiting the blog.
It is an endless battle, but not fighting it with all the tactics available would be disasterous for the industry. I don't own any content but how the heck am I supposed to sell memberships to sites when it is so easy for surfers to get the stuff for free?