Is It Possible To Detect Fraudulent Affiliates Before They Commit Fraud?

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03-12-2007, 08:18 PM
Lee

Is It Possible To Detect Fraudulent Affiliates Before They Commit Fraud?

So i was just wondering, do you folks think there is a method of spotting affiliates that are going to end up being carders, etc before they actually send any fraudulent signups at all?

For example, from X country, using @freemail address, amount of hits sent/date of joining program?

Do you think there is a specific set of criteria that needs to be met prior to a fraudulent transaction being made that would assist program owners catching these scammers before they commit the crime?

If so, what do you think it is or if you currently use a method, what is it?

Regards,

Lee
03-12-2007, 08:38 PM
Xstr8guy

I wish you could set the criteria that you expect potential affiliates to meet (other than country) before they signup. At least restrict affiliates from signing up by using free email accounts and and perhaps restrict free-hosted domains like blogspot.com, etc.
03-12-2007, 10:26 PM
basschick

years ago, our first affiliate that sent us fraudulent signups was from the u.k. and had a site that looked pretty reasonable, normal and with links to other sponsors who i knew and was comfortable with. he put up links to our site, too. and he even sent a little real traffic. but he sent 42 signups in 1 week, all from stolen cards.
03-12-2007, 10:29 PM
Xstr8guy

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Originally Posted by basschick

years ago, our first affiliate that sent us fraudulent signups was from the u.k. and had a site that looked pretty reasonable, normal and with links to other sponsors who i knew and was comfortable with. he put up links to our site, too. and he even sent a little real traffic. but he sent 42 signups in 1 week, all from stolen cards.

Was his name Reece Dylan? :D
03-13-2007, 01:13 AM
basschick

no *chuckle*

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

Was his name Reece Dylan? :D
03-13-2007, 06:48 AM
marcjacob

Do sponsors not share information like the credit reference companies do? If not, a list of people who have done it before would be a great start!
03-13-2007, 12:00 PM
Chilihost

I have noticed affiliates that sign up and get sales immediately without any traffic, when you look at their stats in ccbill they are 1:0 meaning 1 sale for 0 traffic. I always check to see if that member actually logged into the site, and when I find they never did I reverse the transaction and suspend the affiliate.

Just a couple of months ago, I suspended an affiliate and ccbill actually unterminted him without even telling me - and of course his sale resulted in a chargeback. I got totally pissed off with ccbill and their only response was "he asked us to unsuspend his account so we did". That was my first cb for the year too, pissed me right off.
03-13-2007, 01:00 PM
PornTeam

So one way for an affiliate to commit fraud is to sign people up with stolen credit cards. Are there other ways? Or is that the only one?

Does CCBill or any of the billing companies have a black list for these guys?

Cheers
03-13-2007, 03:18 PM
corvett

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chilihost

Just a couple of months ago, I suspended an affiliate and ccbill actually unterminted him without even telling me - and of course his sale resulted in a chargeback. I got totally pissed off with ccbill and their only response was "he asked us to unsuspend his account so we did". That was my first cb for the year too, pissed me right off.

can you send me more detail about this? id like to see what happened

mark@ccbill.com, thanks
03-13-2007, 03:19 PM
Chilihost

I believe they do but its illegal for ccbill to share its blacklists with another company like epoch.
03-13-2007, 03:21 PM
marcjacob

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

can you send me more detail about this? id like to see what happened

mark@ccbill.com, thanks

And im sure you will compensate for the lost revenue and charge back fee.
03-13-2007, 05:01 PM
Chilihost

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

can you send me more detail about this? id like to see what happened

mark@ccbill.com, thanks

email sent!
03-13-2007, 05:02 PM
Chilihost

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcjacob

And im sure you will compensate for the lost revenue and charge back fee.

CCBill's initial response to that was
"As for the chargeback on the account we unfortunately can not remove the record. We do not charge you extra for a charge back we just surrender the funds to the bank to give back to the consumer and since you are currently at .15% on chargebacks you are not at risk with your account being closed. Sorry for the inconvenience. "
03-13-2007, 05:21 PM
corvett

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chilihost

CCBill's initial response to that was
"As for the chargeback on the account we unfortunately can not remove the record. We do not charge you extra for a charge back we just surrender the funds to the bank to give back to the consumer and since you are currently at .15% on chargebacks you are not at risk with your account being closed. Sorry for the inconvenience. "

well, i want to see the circumstances where we would reactivate an account that a client has deactivated based on what the affiliate tells us, i would be very interested in this
03-17-2007, 11:26 AM
cashgordon

I will post something funny. This happened a lot to me. Most fraud affiliates contact you, ask you lame questions and they are very nice and polite. But than they turn to me fraud and disappear when you message back to them.

If the affiliate is registered from a strange country with a strange epass id, or he/she wants a new epass id from you as well, that's a sign!
03-17-2007, 11:45 AM
Chilihost

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

well, i want to see the circumstances where we would reactivate an account that a client has deactivated based on what the affiliate tells us, i would be very interested in this

I want to post a thank you to corvett and the ccbill team for investigating my problems further and finding out exactly what happened. Turns out the problem affiliate was a legit webmaster who was running a review site and who joined all our sites at once (under his affiliate code) to do reviews on them.

Thanks, guys!

cheers,
Luke
03-17-2007, 12:13 PM
Lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chilihost

I want to post a thank you to corvett and the ccbill team for investigating my problems further and finding out exactly what happened. Turns out the problem affiliate was a legit webmaster who was running a review site and who joined all our sites at once (under his affiliate code) to do reviews on them.

But he charged back? :eek:

Name the fucker Luke.

Regards,

Lee

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