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Has anyone had any success with marketing their myspace page? I have really just started my page, but not sure how to get more traffic for it?
If any of you guys would like to network your myspace page, please fill free to list them and I will be happy add you. Check out my new page too http://www.myspace.com/twinkguy
I see you link with friends on MySpace.
I don't see a link or a specific mention of your porn sites on your MySpace page...are you planning to do this later? Why not right away?
Trying to work up my numbers first and make "friends" I need like 5000+ of them, if I say anything about porn at all. I am thinking to mainly use this to get models, or to help with that. Just playing with it now, and trying to market the page to my age demographic. You guys should add me :)
That has brought up a point, can I talk to 17 year old about work in 3 months when they hit 18? Or is this illegal? I know I can not send them porn, but I can talk right?
My guess is that would be illegal. I imagine it would fall under some sort of solicitation of a minor. I would stay away from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
see I dont know, if I do not give them any money, or take pics of them I am not sure they can do anything. I need 18-22 year old guys, and guys that are just starting or want tp play with it are my best best right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios
Sean,
Here we have the same pattern again. You ask the question, someone answers, you don't like the answer, and you argue why they are wrong.
You absolutely cannot talk to anyone who is under 18 and make even the slightest reference to anything remotely related to porn. No ifs, ands, or buts. It's a different law than 2257, but it's most definitely illegal, and there are a LOT of police officers and trained volunteers from pervertedjustice.com out there specifically trying to catch people talking to underage guys about sex and porn.
Not only is it illegal, it is incredibly predatory, and absolutely NOT what the industry needs... this is exactly why parents don't want their kids on Myspace, and exactly why everyone thinks the adult industry is filled with a bunch of scumbags.
Once in a while, someone underage will message us or one of our scouts, and we send a very short message back to the effect of "We cannot even talk to you about anything remotely related to sex, sexual activity, or adult video if you are under 18, and we do not accept friends who are under 18. Sorry, but that's the law." I would advise you to do the same.
If the kid is less than 17, we will also encourage them to find friends close to their own age, since they're likely to get taken advantage of by someone older.
Just seems weird that their really is a LAW that says I can not do this, I know I can not show them porn, or sign any contracts, use their pics, and all that crap, yet I am still not sold on the fact their is a law that says I can not talk to them about “modeling” in 3 months or what ever. I can see problems if they are under 16 yet getting models is going to be a BITCH and the available ones do not have a look I really like.
I was just thinking if possible stringing them along for a few months might not be a bad idea, have not really done any shoots, yet I know I have to take what advantages I can.
Like I said, you ask a question which presumably you don't know the answer to, then you get an answer you don't like, and then you argue (based not on facts but on assumptions) that the answer you got is wrong.
You are wrong. There's no grey area, it's a crime to discuss anything related to adult modeling with someone who is under 18. I am not talking about showing images or signing contracts, ANY discussion with an underage person about anything that could be construed to involve appearing in adult entertainment is a violation of both California law and the law in the state where the person you're speaking to resides, and depending on which state, it's can be a *felony* to even talk about it.
And no, I won't tell you in which states it's a felony.
If I ever hear from any model or model scout that you are doing this -- and we talk to a LOT of people on myspace through our network of scouts -- I will be the first to contact the authorities. This isn't something you fuck around with. It not only affects you, it affects the perception that others have of our industry, and it potentially affects the kids you contact.
There are plenty of guys 18 to 22 that are interested in modeling. We have well over a thousand in our database that have filled out an application to work with us, and that's without a great deal of marketing on our part. You can develop a similar database. You don't need to be a predator and go after kids who aren't of age.
Yep same Max crying for attention and drama.
I say go with your gut and do what you think is right Max.
I also say you made a big mistake adding that 15 year old Oliver to your myspace page that you're going to solicit porn models from. Call me crazy, just a hunch.
I also think it was poor judgement on the part of citiboyz.com to add themselves to your myspace friends.
Hey Maxpower, I suggest that you listen to the words written by GayBucksChip.
We know that your paysite deals with cutting-edge, very young men.
Either you are fool revealing here a way to find models, or your posts are meant as entertainment for GWW.
Honestly, Myspace makes sense to find below age, soon to become legal - In the future you will be facing a very large ugly old man in jail... and he wants your bunk bed, with you.
the fbi nails guys who do this. if you actually want our advice, don't do it. not even once. keep in mind that guys who say they are 17 are often really 14 or 15 and if they tell their parents or friends, the word WILL get out. good chance the parents will report your myspace to the police and the fbi has special units to deal with this who WILL bust your ass.
and even 17 year old guys are NOT legal to solicit to do porn. they just aren't. is your site worth spending years in court and then in jail for? i would NEVER consider doing this and recommend that you don't, either.
Because you are, 99% chance, telling them the style of shoot. you will be doing J/O Solo - Duo suck/fuck - this is talking to a minor about them doing sex acts for you even though it's projected plans of when they are of age.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Thus, your plans are to market work to 16+ and under 16 if you simply can't get 16+ to work out for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
That's because they are 18 or over - You seem to like them when they look under 18 (Based on YOUR comments and nothing else)Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
And this is the added bonus for why I hope a person of law is reading the forums, makes proper note and has you flagged.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
$0.02
Dont all freak out, I have not done anything was just see where the limits really where here. I knew you could not film anyone under 18 even if its non nude, yet was not sure where the boundaries where on the consultation stuff. I just don’t see this as that big of a deal, its not like they are going to suddenly change when they hit 18.
As far as the people on the page, I am going to have to think about it I approve everyone, I want as many as I can get. Myspace if filled with guys like that and not sure if I will ever use this to promote sites, just testing the waters, but would like to break 5000 :) right now. I will try to make sure these guys profiles are as hidden as possible though for now. After I hit 2000 or 3000 I will have to start thinking about “cleaning” it out, before I do anything with it.
BTW I was talking about a more modern look not a 12 year old look.
You've already linked yourself, and your business now, with recruiting minors for porn on myspace to 15 + 16 year olds (you have quite a number of 16 year olds on your friends there)
All of your friends, including the underage ones are linked with your Citiboyz.com friend. Citiboyz.com recruits for porn on their myspace page.
Congratulations! You've fucked up big time.
OMG are you really that uptight? Or do you even have a myspace page? Seriously man :prescription:
You are really off base with your "plan"
The adult porn world has NO PLACE for kids, and that includes grooming them for when they turn 18 to do porn.
It's pretty basic and it's the law where you live: Title 18 USC § 2422. Coercion and Enticement
Ignorance of the law is no defence
You're just doing the same thing you always do on here, tipping those interested off that you might be ignorant of the law and willing to work on edgy material with young boys.
Actually, I don' think the FBI would be interested in Max's page.
Local police, CHP, and county sheriff's, yes.
Max, my advice as an attorney, a former prosecutor, and someone that honestly hates to see anyone make a mistake that will get them in trouble:
Do not accept persons under the age of 18 as friends on your MySpace account.
Do not discuss modeling with anyone that has not reached the age of 18.
You are an adult and can make your own choices, but the choices you want to make put you at risk for a solicitation of minors charge. If convicted, you would become a registered sex offender. It is NOT worth the risk.
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You know, if I didn't think there was a risk that his going to jail would make the rest of the industry look bad, or that he would start making blind accusations to about anyone he's ever met in the industry as a pathetic attempt to save his ass, I would say let him do what he's doing and go to jail. But even so, the fact that he's a possible danger to young people on MySpace makes me make the following statement...
Max, STOP NOW. For once in your life just listen to the people around you. You are on a one way street to jail and if you don't believe me there are several threads in the archives of this very website by someone very much like you who spoke often about his interest in the exact same type of guys you are talking about and who now resides in a tiny little jail cell for getting together with an underage boy. Sure, the circumstances are slightly different but the point is, he probably didn't think something like that could happen to him and he decided to go against common sense and try to play it as close to the line as possible when he accidentally crossed it. When you are that close to the line you can't always see the details and one wrong word, one wrong action and you will go to jail. Not maybe, not just a chance... you WILL go to jail. Do yourself a favor, get a job at a 7-11 and get out of the business. You are a danger to yourself and everyone around you.
The queen of nice has spoken. Jesus, I need a fuckin drink!
In any business, there are times to try something new. MAJOR companies dont announce.
YOU MAXPOWER, announced that you are creating a site to garnish contact with underage FUTURE models. Shame on you.
Ok guys sorry I don’t have time right now for a drama fest over a myspace page I opened 4 days ago. I have some people over right now. But I will be around later, or tomorrow L8 yall. (dont let you imagination run away from you)
Actually, they are going to suddenly change when they are 18. In the eyes of the law, they will be adults and you can legally talk to them about performing in adult entertainment. If you do that even a few days before they turn 18, you've committed a crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxpower
Sean, your brilliance never ceases to amaze me. You've just admitted on a public forum that you're assembling a huge group of friends, including a lot of 15 and 16 year olds, to promote your porn site featuring guys who, by your own admission and language on your site, are marketed to look and otherwise appear as though they are underage, and to talk to guys who, in your own words, are underage, about appearing in pornography when they eventually turn 18.Quote:
I will try to make sure these guys profiles are as hidden as possible though for now.
And then you've indicated you want to have the profiles of the guys who are underage appear "hidden."
In every way, you are talking and acting like a ephebophile, a sexual predator who stalks teenagers.
Why don't you just save everyone the hassle, and call the California State Police right now, ask for the sex crimes unit, and ASK them to come over and bust you? What you're doing is pretty much the same thing.
Maybe he and Joe Francis can get in the same federal pen, and someone can make "Powerbottoms: Sean and Joe do San Quentin... ALL of San Quentin"Quote:
Originally Posted by DonMike
I just like that it was done in public and what needs to be remembered from it has been quoted should he try to edit his post(s)
Something everyone should remember when thinking about their business and their business partners.
This thread provides a public service.
People can read it and learn not to associate, personally or professionally, with max.
Once there was a discussion about MAX being removed from GWW. LEE seems to find him entertaining. Now it is CP issue.
Max, I sincerely had given you another chance, as I think many others here also have done. But you have now crossed a line that you can NEVER un-cross.
You have ultimately revealed yourself as a potential predator of young people. And this community can NO longer ignore your illness. You MUST seek help for your disease before you harm someone. Sensible adult webmasters would NEVER even contemplate what you are considering.
And PLEASE... anyone reading this thread, do not downgrade the severity of this issue by thinking to yourself, "Oh, max is just trying to be provocative and controversial." You are just making excuses and this is just too alarming to ignore.
Don't blame Lee. That isn't fair. I'm quite sure Lee is taking this very serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by wnc
Odd. Max's MySpace profile went down -- like it had been taken down -- and now a new one is back up with the same name, except now it is a 21 year old from Canada.
MySpace does take down profiles that violate TOS but after the profile is taken down, a new one can go up with the old name. I wonder if the new one is someone else or just Max not giving up.
I am reluctant to say this because I prefer being able to keep tabs on him, but I think it is time for Max to go.
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
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DittoQuote:
Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
He's not one of us
Jesus, that was ages ago . He's had that page for many months, not just 2 weeks like he said in the thread. At the time I added him, he didn't have that stuff on there. It wasn't even porn related. It was just his personal MySpace page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Sean,
Your time on GWW has come to an end.
I agree with everything else that has been said in this thread, your actions by setting up that MySpace page quite frankly, look predatory, you have even been compared to a convicted kiddy fiddler, that in my opinion crosses the lines of comfort that i am willing to allow on GWW, not only for my safety, but for the safety of our other community members, you really do have to go.
Perhaps you should consider leaving the adult industry as a profession, you certainly dont listen to the solid advice many have offered you freely over the past few months and in fact, you seem to want to constantly push the boundaries of what is, and isnt accepted in the gay marketplace.
You have been around on GWW long enough to know what is and isnt acceptable behavior, contacting underage boys on MySpace with the plan of luring them to start working in the adult industry is not only wrong, its illegal, and not something that i want to have associated with GWW or its other community members.
Regards,
Lee
Certainly. It's obvious Max wasn't trying to make it in adult because he had any real, solid or true business intents or even the creative intent to produce and direct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
It was because he wrongly thought the adult industry was a lawless, free-for-all arena in which his defects and flaws were acceptable, or could at least fly under the radar; that it was a means through which he could act out on and satisfy his unacceptable intents.
I hope he takes the reactions to his actions in this thread to heart and chooses a different career path.
thank you, lee - i don't think there's room for someone with such incredibly poor judgement and such predatory instincts here.
do keep in mind, though, that max used a different nickname before - he may be back under another one, and - considering these circumstances - it would be best it those nicks were banned immediately.
I agree with Basschick. Even if he can't be tracked by IP address, the posting style will be a dead giveaway.
I don't think anyone will object if a couple of newbie posters that bear remarkable similarity to Max are suddenly, inexplicably banned :)
Nice job Lee! But he will find a way back..
full ackQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee
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Just saw this...
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=725224
Apparantly the model lied about her age during initial talks, but turns 18 in a couple weeks. They rescheduled the shoot with her for then. The thing I find most interesting about that is the different reactions between the two boards to setting up future porn shoots with someone who is currently underage.
The GWW consensus is that this is a definite no-no. For the most part I agree, and this raises an interesting question. If content became available (and I'm sure there is some out there) of a model that was shot on or very shortly after their 18th birthday, would you buy it? Obviously the producer would have been in contact with them before they turned 18 to have set that up.