With some many people and sites competing for membership dollars, why should we help newbies?
Michael
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With some many people and sites competing for membership dollars, why should we help newbies?
Michael
Guess my short answer is: what goes around comes around.
I know I'd still be floundering big time if it wasn't for folks like those here on GWW that were willing to take a few minutes (or hours) and help me out with a problem, or clarify some aspect of the biz that I just wasn't "getting". And when possible, I try to help the next guy down the line.
why not? most won't get it, but a few wo;;/ gptta agree wotj bec pm wjat gpes arpimd. cp,es arpimd. tpp/ wjem o was startomg pit om 96, people helped me. not sure if i'd even be a webmaster if they hadn't.
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Originally Posted by basschick
This a new language Patti, or just tired fingers that forgot what keys they were on?? LOL
basschick speaks in tongues
Whoa! basschick, what happened to your keyboard.
Michael
maybe only newbies understand that????
'Newbies' per se shouldnt be helped, newbies that show respect for others and a willingness to learn should be helped.
Im actually at the point now where if a newbie asks me for help on ICQ ill send him/her right to GWW because i simply dont have the patience for them any more, if truth be told, my patience for 'dumb' new webmasters ran out a couple of years ago but once in a while ill try to help one of them in the hopes they actually listen to what i tell them.
9 out of 10 times though, they'll spend an hour of my time asking all the questions they need answers to, ill gladly offer them the right advice they need then they will turn around and say im wrong and not bother doing what i told them to anyway.
For the record, there's a reason i tell people not to jump straight in to TGPs by submitting gallery after gallery to The Hun, there's a reason i tell people not to jump straight in and open a paysite, theres's a reason i tell people to read the boards, articles and ask others for advice.... Unfortunately, they think they know better than almost 10 years of experience so yeah, unless a newbie shows a willingness to learn and respect for others, they probably wont get helped by me these days :(
Regards,
Lee
We lucked out in some ways, sorta came into the industry ass-backwards... my former business partner started boyfunk without any knowledge or experience in traffic... but it was at a time when it was easier to get affiliates and tgp traffic...
We definitely try to help out newbies where we can, but when you get guys like Max who ask a million questions and then argue with your answers... well, those guys I don't bother with. But it seems that for every one of those, there are plenty of others who genuinely want and appreciate the help, and end up creating a lot of traffic, which we get the benefit of... so I think it works out.
Why? I suppose simply because that's how we all got started. Whether it was asking for clarification on something or more detailed help, but while some might be greedy, and keep all they learned to themselves, other share, simply because it is how we were brought up.
Then there are those who, as Lee says, ask then argue. They are one's I just walk away from, as its too time consuming.
Still there is something about helping that I don't know, gives me a smile and I like to smile.
That is so trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee
I love making new contacts and helping people but nothing is more frustrating then someone asking a board for help, experienced people giving it, then the newbie doing EXACTLY the opposite because of outside influences or lurkers that recruit them to the dark side via icq or pm :pirate:
How I see it...
Not everyone is here for the same reason. Some to promote their sites and others to exploit their services through hidden means.
If I had a slew of services I offered and a Newbie came to the forum with questions, I could simply offer up well known answers un-searched by the newb.
After two or three posts on two or three questions I gain a level of trust from the newb.
Once the Newb is ready to hire someone for work they cannot do them self, I drop an e-mail/I.M. with a little "What is it you need help with?" "Ooh, that's easy, you just need X, Y and Z" (X,Y and Z being things I know how to do but goes over the Newbs head) "If you need help with any of this let me know"
The order and wording may or may not be at this level BUT it is the game of selling yourself and it's what everyone is here to do.
So...
If you have nothing to gain other than being a part of the forum by helping someone, Why should you?
That's a good point. I think it's about building a community. It's always been about that for me. The more educated webmasters out there who know what the laws are, who to stay away from, and what can get them into trouble, the less problems we all have in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
But the laws, who is in the hot seat and (redundant) what can get them in trouble (Redundant because of the first thing (laws)) is not the same as - Do _ to have google see your site. Do _ to have their robots list you quicker. Do _ to have it check your site X times a day. Do _ to get listed in Demoz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
You pulled in a new set of "help" rules when the main question is, in my own words "Why help a newbie build, run and maintain a webpage so my own sales can drop"
That's a good question.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
Do you think there's enough to go around and that helping others is a good way to build a strong united community that we can rely on when we are in need of help in the future?
Patti, you just made me laugh :)Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Simply because it's good karma to do so. I can't think of any reason more important than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
Good people share the benefits of their knowledge with those just starting out. In my opinion, mentoring newbies is one of the best things that a successful business person can do.
I help my friends get jobs at the magazines I write for all the time. I don't worry about them getting stories that I might want, because I know that I have something they don't, which is my own particular style and the experience of having served my editors well for six years of quality writing. They know they can depend on me to turn in good stories, and I know I can depend on them to keep the stories coming. Plus I get the soul satisfaction of having helped someone who is in a situation that I was once in myself. I wish I'd had someone help ME out when I was just starting out. To me, it's all about sharing the wealth and giving back. It just makes me feel better about myself to do so. And, in the end, hopefully something great will come my way because of it.
I was just asking the question ...
I certainly believe in helping newbies. I was sure helped a lot by a lot of people here and elsewhere when I first started. I try and help whenever I can. I even try and help with links because I know how hard they are to come by. And by helping out newbies, you might be helping yourself down the road, you never know when the next big thing is going to happen and who is going to own it.
Michael