Just wondered what the pros/cons were of getting an iMac as oppose to an IBM based system were?
Regards,
Lee
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Just wondered what the pros/cons were of getting an iMac as oppose to an IBM based system were?
Regards,
Lee
Hey Lee... I think my next computer will be a Mac too.
I need to dive into that OS eventually.
Hey Man, LTNS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil Chris
Hows you and the wifey doing?
Regards,
Lee
I attended a Web Video convention in Silicon Valley last week. All non-porn mainstreamers. Machines used for presentations were more than half Macs. That should give you a clue.
I am about to order a 24" Imac, too.
Did any of them require FTP software, thumbnailing applications, graphics programs, instant messenger clients, HTML editors, etc, etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by LavenderLounge
Just because they were using Macs, doesnt mean the machines are any good for business, is the same type of software i use on my IBM based laptop available on Macs?
Regards,
Lee
I'm messing around with a g4 on the side - the g5 I'm sure is a world of change, however, I'm mainly using the PC for business related work.
Getting accustomed to the MAC took all of 10 minutes but like the MAC Vs. PC commercials state - "Ooh look... you can do Graphs"
Also, MAC's get Viruses. The "no Viruses" is not true.
This sums up your Business related question on the issue as a whole
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jg1-ywndVNc
Meaning: The mac is, from what I have found through hands-on in a business world, a personal computer for off the clock work.
Another "MAC'S are better" idea is with video editing. Sure, at one time the MAC only Graphics and Video leader was far above the charts with FinalCutPro. No longer true. Vegas doesn't require constant rendering as you edit the video with transitions.
But at the end of the day, you should go to a MAC store and waste a few hours with a hands-on experience. It's MAC Vs. PC and getting a straight forward answer is by hands-on alone.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iEAGmBRC1dc this is a bit more in detail to what I have seen so far with my own hands on.
From a business perspective, Windows has been more efficent for me. But Macs can also now dual boot with Windows. So you can get your feet wet with OSX if you're curious, and still use WIndows when you need/want to.
The iMacs are due for an update soon, so I'd sit tight for the refresh first.
I'd wait until August :)
From macrumors tonight...
We're all mac people here but if you have to have windows, you can just boot up in windows :)Quote:
ThinkSecret believes that the next generation iMac is in line for release in August with a brushed aluminum enclosure at only two inches thick:
The elegant new enclosure will somewhat resemble the current white iMac but is said to feature a shorter space below the actual display, where most of the internals are housed.
The new iMac is expected to be based on the Santa Rosa architecture and will only come in only 20" and 24" flavors with the 17" set to be discontinued.
Once you go Mac, you will never go back!
Take the plunge...but wait until this fall when they release the new ones for back to school.
You wont regret it.
iThink therefore iMac.
Oh that is great clip!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
I bought a powerbook g4 2 years ago and ended up selling it on eBay a few months later. I got tired of the headaches and not having one computer that I could do everything on. I got tired of bouncing back and forth between computers. Yes you can run pc apps now by running parallels or boot camp, but you will have to figure out how to partition your HD on the Mac if using boot camp and buy a windows os to run it in dual mode. If using parallels you will need to pay 79 bucks for it and then buy a windows os to run your pc apps on. So you are looking at an additional 400-500 bucks to make it run pc apps.
I was just recently looking at buying one again, I decided time I bought the Mac to make it pc compatible, it would cost me about 3,700 bucks, plus the headache and hassle of figuring it all out, and for what reason?? To make the Mac pc compatible? Why? Just buy a pc, plus they are half the price. If apple made a computer that had windows on it, ready to go, at an affordable price, I would buy it because I like their sleek design in hardware.
My hubby has an imac 24" I believe, he bought his, when I bought my apple a few years ago, we were going to switch over, but it wasn't practical and was a pain in the ass. That machine does fine, never needs a reboot and does well, but he doesn't really use it for anything other then surfing the web and email, so no problem there for his needs.
It didn't work for me because I wanted one computer that would run and do everything. I love my outlook and their version of outlook blows badly, Microsoft stopped making it for Mac back in 2000 I believe.
It all seems neat and cool when you go to the Mac store or go look at one, but the design, coolness and clique of the it wears off and then you are left with, man, I have to figure all of this out and it's so left instead of right and this doesn't work with this, etc. Don't fall for the sleek design, cool fonts, different OS and the culture of it, after 2 or 3 months that will wear off and you will be frustrated.
If you just want one to play around with, then go for it, but I want an all in one solution and the apple couldn't do that for me in the way I wanted it to do, so I bought a Sony laptop and have had a few every since then and love them.
The type of computer, os, etc., really depends what you plan on using it for. So figure out your needs and then see if it matches up with what you plan on doing with it.
I hope this helps! Just my opinion of course!
before you say, "have you actually used one before?" YES...I bought an iMac years ago...restocking fee...I was GLAD to pay the restocking fee just to be rid of the thing!
Last year when needing a new notebook I once again...made the mistake of buying a Mac powerbook...thinking that the new operating system would be "cool"...wrong...hated it and sold it (again at a HUGE lose).
Take my advice and do not do it. Ever walk into a mac store...where is the software? Oh yes...that tiny shelf hidden in the BACK of the store! Sure it can run windows...but if all of your programs need to run under windows then buy a fucking PC!!
OMG...I hate Macs!!
Lee
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
FTP- transmit
IM - Adium (for icq/aim/etc.)
Web development - Dreamweaver CS3
Graphics - Photoshop CS3
Photos - can use iPhoto or Aperture if you need it
RSS - Newsfire
Browser - Firefox, Safari
Music - iTunes
Video - Final Cut Pro, Final Cut Express
Mail- mail.app, thunderbird
The only PC program I use is Statsremote, which runs surprisingly well in Parallels. According to their forum though, they are redoing statsremote to run on the Sun JVM instead of the Microsoft JVM, so it will be truly cross-platform.
And for people using G4's...those are an antique :) It came out in 1999- not a fair comparison to today's processors.
Can you name one mac (yes, mac, not MAC- it is not an acronym) virus in the wild? For OS X that is, not OS 9 and below. The truth is that there is not one single recorded instance of an OS X virus in the wild. There are trojans just like on all operating systems, but they require you to run them and enter your administrator password in order to do any damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
Not saying there will never be an OS X virus, it just has not happened yet. Unlike Windows, whose poor security design gave birth to a multi-billion dollar adware industry.
Do more Hollywood studios use Final Cut or Vegas (lol)? The truth is they are using Final Cut or Avid, both of which run on a Mac.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
I had a powerbook g4, that was the greatest 2 years ago when I bought it. I didn't mention an issue about the speed. I actually thought it was really fast! That wasn't part of my comparison. I loved using safari and pages pulled up super fast when surfing. My complaint was mainly with the compatability issue. If you are going to run pc programs, get a pc and save the money, hassle and headaches. :)
So basically, the answer is 'no' id have to learn how to use a bunch of new applications, in addition to the iMac OS learning curve.Quote:
Originally Posted by slaxxx
Okay, think ill be getting another Sony then, thanks.
Regards,
Lee
I had a Mac and ran back! :kickcan:Quote:
Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios
Lee,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Let me know what you narrow your Sony search down to, I am doing the same thing as we speak. The 140e looks pretty good, only 1.8ghz x2 though, my current sony I am on now is 1.67 x2, but the design of that laptop looks hot.
You're welcome, but you asked:
The answer to that is yes, and I listed the programs I use for the things webmasters need. I didn't say it was the same exact Windows programs- although some are, like Firefox, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Illustrator, Thunderbird, iTunes, and many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
I don't really think "learning" a new FTP program is difficult. You click a file and click upload. Nor is the 'iMac OS' difficult to learn.
But suit yourself. I would really suggest actually trying the 'iMac OS' at the 'iMac store' so you can see for yourself.
edit: Here's an interesting article about what Sony has done on Windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_So...ection_scandal
Jacob,
This is the current Sony model i like...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1177113305036
Every time we go to BestBuy or Circuit Shitty its the one i always start playing with.
HP also have a couple of new ones with touch screen technology however, i dont think i could ever use those in their current format because after 30 minutes of holding my arms out touching the screen to do things they start aching, id never get any work done lol
Regards,
Lee
The G4 was a PowerPC processor, not an Intel processor. It was not supposed to ever be compatible with x86 applications.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveTwinksCam
Today's mac processors are Intel processors and can even boot Windows natively or run it in a window through Parallels.
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Originally Posted by Lee
Yeah Lee that is the 140e, that is the same one I was looking at getting! Good choice!
Oh yeah, I forgot Microsoft Office. That also runs on OS X, though I don't use it.
Dude I know that! What I wrote has nothing to do with that. That is just the machine I had. The problems still remain the same, the solution is parallels and or bootcamp. You are stuck on the machine I had, which has nothing to do with what I was writing about. They also didn't even have bootcamp or parallels back then and that is the current solution to run pc apps on a mac os.Quote:
Originally Posted by slaxxx
I know you know that, I'm saying the compatibility issues really are not much of an issue anymore. And it doesn't cost $3700 either, and boot camp partioning (only really neccessary for gamers that want 3d acceleration) is pretty simple like everything on OS X.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveTwinksCam
But you do have a point, for people who want a PC they should just get a PC and not a Mac acting like a PC, regardless of how well today's Macs are able to do that. You wanted Outlook, and it does suck on OS X.
I have always hated Outlook personally, and I was a Windows user for 6 years before I got a Mac Pro earlier this year. I got tired of the extensive Windows security issues always in the back of my mind, I was tired of the OS itself, and I'm not a gamer- so there really was no program (apart from statsremote) that can only run on Windows.
The compatabilities are an issue, it's expensive to make pc apps work on the thing and probably a headache to figure it all out if you are a new mac user which is what Lee would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by slaxxx
Pricing:
Ok the macbook pro 17" is $2800 + $350 for a windows OS + $79 for parallels + 7% tax = $3,455
Brand new Sony Vaio $1,350 ready to roll!
OS updates? OMG OS/x updates none stop! Just this morning freaking itunes and quicktime wanted another update after I only installed it a few weeks ago, that thing is always wanting updated! I do like how mac osx updates though, it updates pretty much everything simply.
I love outlook and it binds me to everything else I need. I mainly use my laptop for linux work, messaging, email, contacts, calendar, surfing and invoicing. All of those things work great under a pc. I use it as a business machine.
I'm really not trying to be pedantic here or argue everything you're saying, buuuuuuut...
1) Windows does not cost $350 unless you don't know about the OEM pricing. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...rating+Systems Take your pick.
2) The thread was about buying an iMac, then you separately said it costs $3700 to run Windows on a Mac. You can even run Windows on a Mac Mini, so you are talking ~ $160 on top of the $600 or so a Mac Mini costs. No one will ever argue that Macs are cheap- they are a niche product for a certain type of consumer. But you can run Windows on a Mac for much less than $3700.
3) That being said, is the $1350 Vaio using Santa Rosa and has identical hardware to the Macbook Pro (especially the GPU)? It may, I don't know- so I'm not saying you're wrong about that off the bat.
4) There was no OS X update this morning, and I just checked now to confirm. Windows updates nearly every week though.
Anyway, I was really just trying to convince Lee to give it a fair shot, not convince someone who tried it and didn't like it. Not everyone has to like the same products. I just wish I had gone back to Mac sooner and not spent 6 years on Windows.
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Originally Posted by slaxxx
Did you read my original post? I think you need to go back and read the original post.
I said it would cost ME around 3700 to get it the way I wanted. Which turned out to be around 3500 to get it the way I wanted 17" macbook pro.
I said my mac software wanted to update this morning, itunes and quicktime and that the MacOS is always wanting updated as well. I have an imac here at the house. It wants updated just as much as Microsoft.
Finally I didn't try to convince him to do shit, I just answered what he asked about. This was the last paragraph in my original post.
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"If you just want one to play around with, then go for it, but I want an all in one solution and the Mac couldn't do that for me in the way I wanted it to do, so I bought a Sony laptop and have had a few ever since then and love them.
The type of computer, os, etc., really depends what you plan on using it for. So figure out your needs and then see if it matches up with what you plan on doing with it.
I hope this helps! Just my opinion of course!"
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You need to go back and read my original post. You've forgotten a lot of it!
I just sorta skimmed your original post because it was long and looked boring. I only replied to the G4 post after that.
The point is, and I've offered you this out twice already, some people like Macs and some people like PC's. It is worth trying a Mac.
For people who really need to run Windows software only, as I said before, get a PC. It would be pointless for someone unwilling to accept there may be better software out there for getting their work done. But if nothing you do is Windows-specific, try a mac. If it's a mix, macs are far more compatible now than in the past, Parallels runs Statsremote faster than my Dell Precision did, and that's the only program I have to run. And if you know about OEM pricing, and are comparing similar PC to Mac models, they price difference isn't difficult to stomach.
Well because you didn't read my original post and continued to argue with me about what I had already covered, you have now wasted a lot of other people's time.Quote:
Originally Posted by slaxxx
They may have wanted to obtain some knowledge from this post. Now it will seem very "boring" to them because you wrote all of these pointless posts arguing with me about stuff I had already covered.
How do you argue with someone, when you didn't read the post you are arguing about?
At least I don't look like lead singer from Hanson.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveTwinksCam
nevermind
<--- is heading to the Apple store to reinvestigate. I think I will check them out again today.
Maybe I will buy one again? If I don't like it I can return it. I know it will keep me busy, learning a new os, etc., again, be a new toy to play with for a while anyway. We will see. I need to get out of the casa anyway for a while. I will keep yall posted.
Well I went and checked them out today. The one I want is the 17" macbook pro, very nice as I already knew. I just don't know if I want to pay 2800 for a laptop + sales tax, so it would be 3,000. But we will see.....
I've got a complete MAC household - we don't PC at home anymore after my Toshiba laptop fried.
MAC is a perfectly good all-round computer - actually better becuase there are a million business products available for it that are all free, or dirt cheap.
I highly recommend getting one - the G5 desk and lap tops are amazing, and you'll have one computer that can do everything you need it to do all at the same time.
Treat yourself to the dual-processor too. We can render massive video files while still working on other design or business projects without any noticeable lag.
My husband runs his own company - totally on Mac. I run my own at-home work, and the business for two not-for-profits all on the Mac. You can do whatever you want with them, usually much more simply.
Networking is a breeze, most hardward is truly plug-n-play, no reboots required. We bought our last iBook and plugged it into the existing network (firewalls, print servers, data servers, storage servers,etc. - linux, unix) and a window popped up that said "You have a network! Would you like to connect to it?" I hit "Yes" and presto - full network compatibility in about 30 seconds.
M.
It's funny, but the Mac vs. PC thread is like the 2nd most controversial thread on here, just behind the bareback vs. non-bareback thread. LOL. While I've been using nothing but Macs for the last 19 years, there ARE advantages and disadvantages.. to both platforms. I look at my computers as tools that I need to do the job, and Mac is my preference. But that's not to say that someone else won't prefer the PC. People need to stop being so defensive about their choice and understand that it's simply a matter of selecting the right tool for the job.
funny you say that because every time someone around here with a mac posts "do you know of a cheap or free program for mac that does..." whatever, there are like 10 free or cheap PC programs and none for MAC.
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Originally Posted by mgillis
I don't want to dominate the post, but I still don't get it yet. I spent like 1.5hrs talking to my friend that is a pc guy converted to mac and loves them. I had one and I took it back. I spent like 3hrs at the mac store playing on them and I just don't get it yet. The hardware is superior, no doubt about that, it's like bmw and mercedes vs like a ford escort which is what most pc's are because most pc people don't want to pay a lot for a laptop.
The os I am familiar with, it's the same os I had on the mac I had 2 years ago, just the hardware is faster now. The os looks rather boring, I really am not going to be making videos or playing with photos all that much, I am too impatient to mess with that stuff. So I could have the mac and have the hassle of dual booting, etc, but I really don't know what I would use on the mac side of it, so I would just be buying it for the hardware and a different culture of being in the mac clique. Seems like this would be more of a hassle after a while.
Mac definitely has a loyal following and the mac store had about 100 people in it at all times and they were throwing down money like a mad man hooked on crack. I have to be missing something. I guess the only way to know is to try it again and find out. Remember I did try a mac once and after a few months sold it on ebay, of course back then you couldn't run pc apps really on it.
Can you mac loyal fans help me/us understand more, I must be missing something?
I am really considering buying one today and doing it! Can you mac loyal fans help us pc people understand what we are missing?
Read over this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...ustomerReviewsQuote:
Originally Posted by LiveTwinksCam
Well I took the dive! I drank the kool-aide! Next thing you know I will be voting dem! lol roflmao!
I bought one! I bought the 17" macbook pro, the mighty mouse and .mac program. I went to compusa to buy mine because they give you $100 bucks off of the computer if you use your business credit card to charge it or open a business credit card with them. I just used my corp amex card and I got my discount since I was a business!
Ok I will be back later, time to play with the new toy!
Day 2 of owning this Mac and I am in love with it!!! I almost have everything switched over! Amazing computer! Go pick one up Lee!