Adult Industry Publications / Magazines

Was just looking at the various print publications available to webmasters in the adult industry (wel the two i knew of) Klixxx and AVN and wondered how many of you guys actually have a subscription to either of these magazines?

If you do, what is the thing that attracted you to the publication initially and also, how do you rate the magazine overall?

If you dont however, why not? What would make you subscribe to something like Klixxx or AVN?

I have heard people say that these two magazines are to 'commercial' for their liking but that the articles and news peices contained in them are worth reading.

Personally i look forward to getting our copies of boht magazines each month as there is inevitably some news or information contained in them that i missed from the last month or so.

So, how many of you do subcribe to these magazines and, if you could, what one thing would you change about them?

Regards,

Lee

I get both of the publications and look forward to them. I actually enjoy the ads. I like to see what everyone in the industry is up to. The articles are great, I've learned a lot from the over the years.
In addition, they help in buiding the "adult webmaster community." Just one more tool that validates us as a vaid industry.

well AVN started sending me their magazine even though i didnt ask for it, because they got my info from the Internext registration.

KLIXX started sending me their magazines even though i didnt ask for it, because they got my info from their parent company, which runs some affiliate program.

it took me four months to get off both their mailing lists, and then when internext rolled around, guess what, im back on for AVN.

as far as im concerned theyre both just a waste of paper with nothing but ads, and they have no respect for people's privacy.

i finally gave up on AVN and a letter from my attorney got them to leave me alone. ive since learned not to register for internext with my real address.

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Originally posted by Dawgy
well AVN started sending me their magazine even though i didnt ask for it, because they got my info from the Internext registration.

KLIXX started sending me their magazines even though i didnt ask for it, because they got my info from their parent company, which runs some affiliate program.

it took me four months to get off both their mailing lists, and then when internext rolled around, guess what, im back on for AVN.

as far as im concerned theyre both just a waste of paper with nothing but ads, and they have no respect for people's privacy.

i finally gave up on AVN and a letter from my attorney got them to leave me alone. ive since learned not to register for internext with my real address.

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Man...you got issues.

I am subscribed to both and eagerly read them...cover to cover every month. (Also AVN magazine, as well as Video store Magazine.)

I am somewhat biased though. I am a regular writer for each of the ones you mentioned.
But honestly, if you are serious about your business how could you NOT want to read about what's happening and possibly, just possibly learn something?
Kathee Brewer, the tech editor for AVNOnline writes a large portion of their articles. Not only is she incredibly smart, she knows how to write, and she knows how to write an instructive article that actually explains something in a way the layman can understand.

I'm a little offended by people that say they have no value. Sure, they have lots of ads. EVERY magazine has that. That's the way you can get a 200 page 4 color process paperback book delivered to your house for free every month. otherwise, it would cost you $30. Here's a trick; turn the page. But even the ads tell you something, don't they? The people that are running full multi-page ads every month, month after month, are apparently doing something right. Since they have the money to buy the ads. The smart business man would look at what they are doing and learn.

The foolish man looks at a closed book and says "awww there is nothing of value in that book. I know all I need from looking at the cover."

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Originally posted by EmporerEJ
Man...you got issues.

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yes, i have issues.

i have issues with people sending me magazines that i didnt ask for. at the time i lived in a small town and the guy who delivered my mail was someone i did volunteer work with. thanks to AVN and KLIXX showing up one day in black wrappers, looking like some porn magazine, i lost my volunteer work.

if i wanted the whole town to know i sold porn, i'd tell them. i dont need it showing up in my mailbox uninvited.

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Originally posted by Dawgy
yes, i have issues.

i have issues with people sending me magazines that i didn't ask for. at the time i lived in a small town and the guy who delivered my mail was someone i did volunteer work with. thanks to AVN and KLIXX showing up one day in black wrappers, looking like some porn magazine, i lost my volunteer work.

if i wanted the whole town to know i sold porn, i'd tell them. i dont need it showing up in my mailbox uninvited.

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Well-
Sounds to me you are ashamed of what you do? maybe you shouldn't go to conventions? You don't get upset when you receive those Columbia house buy 12 and get 1 free offers do you?

'cause, you know, some people are offended by that weird Rock 'n Roll stuff, and they might get the idea you like it or something by analyzing your mail. I'll bet that guy was mad HE wasn't getting the magazine. And I'm sure he never looked at a playboy, or slowly clicked past the blue channel.

Lost your volunteer work? How does that happen? what were you doing there, painting the church or something? it's VOLUNTEER WORK, right? So, who was the one with the problem there......you, or the postal worker that violated federal law by disclosing your mail? Did you file a complaint, or was THAT kind of behavior OK?
I don't know, but to me, any kind of "Volunteer" organization that judged me by what came in my mailbox wouldn't be worthy of my time.
Your problems are more about you being you. Not the magazine(s). Don't blame the magazines because you are ashamed of your thoughts.

I'm not gay, but I certainly don't have a problem talking to, or doing business with Gay people. (In fact, sometimes I think Gay people have a little better attitude on life.)

Oh No...I just thought of something else....you better be careful. Somebody might track your IP back to who you are and discover you are posting on a Gay webmaster Board. will that be the cable/telecom's fault for running a wire into your house? "cause everyone knows, anything on the internet must be porn, just like anything that comes in a black wrapper. Oh, and by the way? Klixxx doesn't COME in a black wrapper. It comes in a white/Manila envelope. Even after all this time I don't recognize it until I look closely or open it.
And watch out for those bankers......if you are running a a gay website, they are liable to find out from those electronic deposits. they might tell someone and you'll lose your free checking.

lol damn emporer, you love tearing into me dont you? your entire post is mocking me and i think its incredibly unprofessional. i was merely describing a problem i had with the way avn & klixx send out their magazines unsolicited, and the problems it created for me. you tore into me as if i am some bitter fag who blames the magazines for the way the world thinks. i dont, the magazines have a business to run & thats great.

i simply stated that i thought it was wrong for them to mail me porn magazines without my authorization.

as for the mail guy.... he happened to be the head of the organization i volunteered with. while i agree he is a closed minded jesus freak, he did nothing illegal. and yes, it sucks that people are so closed minded, but thats life. im not ashamed of who i am or what i do, but i dont really see how its anyones business. should i go run tell the little league soccer team i help coach that i sell gay porn? why dont you explain that to the 8 year olds for me since you dont seem to think its a big deal.

as for your last paragraph, now youre just being an asshole taking cheap shots and mocking me even more.

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Originally posted by Dawgy
lol damn emporer, you love tearing into me dont you? your entire post is mocking me and i think its incredibly unprofessional. i was merely describing a problem i had with the way avn & klixx send out their magazines unsolicited, and the problems it created for me. you tore into me as if i am some bitter fag who blames the magazines for the way the world thinks. i dont, the magazines have a business to run & thats great.

i simply stated that i thought it was wrong for them to mail me porn magazines without my authorization.

as for the mail guy.... he happened to be the head of the organization i volunteered with. while i agree he is a closed minded jesus freak, he did nothing illegal. and yes, it sucks that people are so closed minded, but thats life. im not ashamed of who i am or what i do, but i dont really see how its anyones business. should i go run tell the little league soccer team i help coach that i sell gay porn? why dont you explain that to the 8 year olds for me since you dont seem to think its a big deal.

as for your last paragraph, now youre just being an asshole taking cheap shots and mocking me even more.

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Well, I agree I did take it to extreme. More to make the point than have it directly "AT You" as it were......

Kind of like "see how silly this sounds?" So what you took for mocking, was actually me juxtaposing the current "no-no" with what appears to be a silly "no-no" now, years after it's been accepted.

But you didn't simply say you didn't like them sending them....what you specifically said was:

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Originally posted by Dawgy
as far as im concerned theyre both just a waste of paper with nothing but ads, and they have no respect for people's privacy.

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Now THAT I took personal, as I'm one of the guy that writes the words they put in between the ads. And I think you'll find the mail guy did violate the rules of conduct of the US Postal system. In fact, if the postal inspectors knew about it, he would be canned without question. What he did is open the USPS up to liability, in that you could sue for invasion of privacy/defamation. Content of mail IS protected. I'm sure it would be splitting hairs, but I'm just as sure he would get fired for something like that.

However if you are looking for offense, I can tell you I have contempt for people that are afraid to be who they are for fear of society's prejudice. I get even angrier when that person then blames a third party because they didn't know they were supposed to hide for him.

I'll bet you DID give them permission to send you the magazine though. Did you READ the agreement you signed upon entry to the show? Not only that, but you paid for entry, and they felt they were giving you value for your money.
As for Klixxx, as I said, that magazine could never be confused for porn from the envelope. And I think not from most covers either. In any event, try to remember when you insult an organization, any organization, that the organization is made up of people, and people take offense when they are called "a waste of paper." And no one is saying walk around with a banner that says "gay porn purveyor."
When you open a business to the public, by default it becomes "everyone's business." You hung a shingle out that says "open for business." Can't have your cake and eat it too.

I think CYBERSOCKET is great!

I already get AVN and love it...

I want a free subscription to Klixxx and Cybersocket...

so Klixxx
and Cybersocket
people...

make that happen...


Boxholder 31362
P.O Box 31362
Dayton, Ohio 45431


~Bell

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Originally posted by Bell
I already get AVN and love it...

I want a free subscription to Klixxx and Cybersocket...

so Klixxx
and Cybersocket
people...

make that happen...


Boxholder 31362
P.O Box 31362
Dayton, Ohio 45431


~Bell

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You say you receive "AVN" Is that "AVN", AVNOnline" or both? If you are a web adult company, you REALLY need to be getting AVNOnline Magazine.

Just a suggestion.....but I would STRONGLY suggest you make that EXACT...read EXACT request to Klixxx.
But I'll warn you in advance....if you want them to send you their magazine, let me explain how the trade magazine thing works;
"Boxholder" ain't gonna cut it for qualification on trade journals. Trade journals are generally provided as a no charge item to qualified industry people. To maintain their status as a trade journal, you have to qualify your "subscribers." Which, by the way, is why you usually have to fill out 50 of those damn surveys for all the other trade journals you get. Or they call you on the phone asking company size, what you make, etc. (They also sell the survey information.) Not the adult trades as much as the mainstream trades.

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Originally posted by EmporerEJ
You say you receive "AVN" Is that "AVN", AVNOnline" or both? If you are a web adult company, you REALLY need to be getting AVNOnline Magazine.

Just a suggestion.....but I would STRONGLY suggest you make that EXACT...read EXACT request to Klixxx.
But I'll warn you in advance....if you want them to send you their magazine, let me explain how the trade magazine thing works;
"Boxholder" ain't gonna cut it for qualification on trade journals. Trade journals are generally provided as a no charge item to qualified industry people. To maintain their status as a trade journal, you have to qualify your "subscribers." Which, by the way, is why you usually have to fill out 50 of those damn surveys for all the other trade journals you get. Or they call you on the phone asking company size, what you make, etc. (They also sell the survey information.) Not the adult trades as much as the mainstream trades.

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I didn't know there was an AVN other that the one I've been
getting for years... mine's AVN ONLINE...

hey Kath - - - you out there
get me on the Klixxx list to receive the mag
here:

Box Holder: 31362
P.O. Box 31362
Dayton, Ohio 45431

you can mail it to my real name sweets...
you have it...

I assumed all the vendors from Internext had my info...

have a great Tuesday ...

~Bell

Well, I'm not Kath....
(You may already know that)

But there was an "AVN" magazine BEFORE there was an "AVNOnline" magazine. "AVN" focuses primarily on the Adult Film Industry, but strays across the line. It's also a good read.

"AVNOnline" was actually another magazine before Teddy Communications Bought it and Christened it "AVNOnline"...as in, the online /internet version of their popular AVN Magazine.

And, speaking as an Internext Vendor, I don't have your name.

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Originally posted by EmporerEJ
Well, I'm not Kath....
(You may already know that)

But there was an "AVN" magazine BEFORE there was an "AVNOnline" magazine. "AVN" focuses primarily on the Adult Film Industry, but strays across the line. It's also a good read.

"AVNOnline" was actually another magazine before Teddy Communications Bought it and Christened it "AVNOnline"...as in, the online /internet version of their popular AVN Magazine.

And, speaking as an Internext Vendor, I don't have your name.

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wasn't that your party room across the hall from the EP Fetish Party Room (Venetian - Vegas Jan 2004) ??

~Bell

Wow - miss a few days on GWW and miss a LOT! ;)

Bell, you can look for your VIP subscription copy of Klixxx Magazine beginning this month - and not a moment too soon, the May issue is info-packed and the June issue that we are preparing to bring to Cybernet Expo in San Diego is going to kick ass! :bow:

If any webmaster or business owner from GWW would like to get on the Klixxx VIP list, just drop me a note via kath |at| klixxx.com and I'll make sure you get taken care of - we treat GWW members right!

As far as ads go, I also have to speak up and say that our Editor JoeD goes above and beyond to make sure that each issue is of high-quality standard, has a high text-to-ad ratio and that each article is written by actual webmasters and online professionals that are "in the trenches", working the industry and contributing to the community. But remember, ads are not just advertisements - they are actually a great way to stay on top of what's going on in the industry, an excellent means to take the pulse or temperature of how the industry is doing. Go back and look at past issues of your favorite magazines - adult OR mainstream - and you can see the rise & fall of trends, see the successes and the failures - it's an interesting look into what's REALLy going on in the biz.

BTW - we will be updating the site later today @ Klixxx.com and will be featuring one of Eric's awesome articles! Make sure to take a peek!

Hope to hear from many of you soon for those FREE subscriptions! :groovy:

EmporerEJ - as i recall, when zmaster sent dawgy a flyer, the word got out and his bank asked him to bank elsewhere. and there weren't many elsewheres there to bank.

i know many small town webmasters who would not appreciate this kind of mail. they are in no position without becoming the town pariah to try and make a stand or sue. some of these people were outed as webmasters and can no longer bank, get a babysitter, or other normal things.

i don't think it's a company's business (or a person's) to out someone regarding being an adult webmaster, gay, living a fetish lifestyle or anything else.

I was hanging out at the Camz party room....With Sammy, Brett, and alot of the folks from over at Amateurmasters.com


We had a little trouble with the "security" personnel.
:-)

I'm not sure what we were across from, But I'll bet they knew we were there!

that's all we get "We had a little trouble with the "security" personnel. :-)"???

c'mon, we need DETAILS :devil:

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Originally posted by Kath
Wow - miss a few days on GWW and miss a LOT! ;)

Bell, you can look for your VIP subscription copy of Klixxx Magazine beginning this month - and not a moment too soon, the May issue is info-packed and the June issue that we are preparing to bring to Cybernet Expo in San Diego is going to kick ass! :bow:

If any webmaster or business owner from GWW would like to get on the Klixxx VIP list, just drop me a note via kath |at| klixxx.com and I'll make sure you get taken care of - we treat GWW members right!

As far as ads go, I also have to speak up and say that our Editor JoeD goes above and beyond to make sure that each issue is of high-quality standard, has a high text-to-ad ratio and that each article is written by actual webmasters and online professionals that are "in the trenches", working the industry and contributing to the community. But remember, ads are not just advertisements - they are actually a great way to stay on top of what's going on in the industry, an excellent means to take the pulse or temperature of how the industry is doing. Go back and look at past issues of your favorite magazines - adult OR mainstream - and you can see the rise & fall of trends, see the successes and the failures - it's an interesting look into what's REALLy going on in the biz.

BTW - we will be updating the site later today @ Klixxx.com and will be featuring one of Eric's awesome articles! Make sure to take a peek!

Hope to hear from many of you soon for those FREE subscriptions! :groovy:

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thanx gf....

~Bell

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Originally posted by basschick
EmporerEJ - as i recall, when zmaster sent dawgy a flyer, the word got out and his bank asked him to bank elsewhere. and there weren't many elsewheres there to bank.

i know many small town webmasters who would not appreciate this kind of mail. they are in no position without becoming the town pariah to try and make a stand or sue. some of these people were outed as webmasters and can no longer bank, get a babysitter, or other normal things.

i don't think it's a company's business (or a person's) to out someone regarding being an adult webmaster, gay, living a fetish lifestyle or anything else.

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Well, we certainly wouldn't want to overreact, now would we?
Are you kidding me? "Outing them?"
Please explain to me how someone is "Outed" by receiving a magazine or a piece of what I assume (Flyer) was junk mail?
Do we really live in that world? I know I don't. And I think you are overstating it a bit. I live in the heart of the Amish country and even a story on the front page of the local section didn't even bat an eyelash around here. If he/she/webmaster actually Do live in that type of place, then they should choose a different lifestyle, or move. But don't blame it on the perfectly legal businesses. And certainly don't expect them to be the ones that worry about it.
We live in a free expression country. When anyone....I mean anyone, accepts that type of persecution, it degrades ALL our freedoms.

And I would LOVE to see the bank letter that said "we can't accept your business because we don't think it's right." (As long as it's legal of course.) Lest we all forget that any bank wishing to be a member of the federal reserve system abide by the law of the land which includes no discrimination. That goes for Gays, Blacks, Hispanics, and oh my yes, awful adult webmasters.

Crawl Under a rock if YOU want, but don't expect me to crawl under it with you.

I get Crisco Handballing BareBack Country Boys Quarterly and have for a few years now.

Actually I don't subscribe to any myself, though we do get just about any magazine imaginable here at the office and help myself to read through what interests me whenever they arrive.

AVN, AVNOnline, Klixxx, and many more. Although I'm personally more inclined to check out a mag's website regularly and read through the things on there before opening up the print version as... well... I do everything online. Pay bills, read the news, watch TV, read magazines, have sex. ya know.

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Originally posted by BDBionic
AVN, AVNOnline, Klixxx, and many more. Although I'm personally more inclined to check out a mag's website regularly and read through the things on there before opening up the print version as... well... I do everything online. Pay bills, read the news, watch TV, read magazines, have sex. ya know.

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Well, do try to understand us old folks......you young whipper snappers do everything the modern way. The older generation still needs the feel of a good piece of paper between our fingers.
And, you know, when I go to the reading room, it's difficult to carry my desktop computer with me.

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Originally posted by EmporerEJ
Well, do try to understand us old folks......you young whipper snappers do everything the modern way. The older generation still needs the feel of a good piece of paper between our fingers.
And, you know, when I go to the reading room, it's difficult to carry my desktop computer with me.

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I am a magazine junkie myself (I even archive all the old issues of my faves!) - but to really, really know that I have "arrived" would be the day I could afford to have a nice web set-up installed in the bathroom. How sad is that? lol I would probably freak over a shower set-up, a nice over the bed flat screen monitor so I could work on those middle-of-the-night ideas & projects... even something cool in the car! :thumbsup:

I know there's such a thing as wireless today, but we're talking about some really POSH ways to bring your connection with you EVERYWHERE - lol Like that guy in the Circuit City commercial with the soccer game on like 50 tvs throughout the house. Oh, I'm such a nerd... *sigh*

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The only thing I read in my "reading room" are the ingredients on the back of my shampoo bottle :)

EmporerEJ - what world are YOU living in? every week, i see a thread somewhere asking if family members know what people do. mostly the answer is at least a partial no.

as it happens, my family does know. so do most people i know. but i am not the usual story.

a large number of bank of americas in california will close your account if they know you are an adult webmaster. they will be very honest and tell you the reason. i know of branches of other banks that will also close your account. and i know a few people in smaller towns whose bank accounts in small branches of large nat'l banks were closed because of the work they do.

there are a fair number of accountants who will not work for you. i've met a couple. there are people who believe what we do is illegal - someone i know went to his attorney for legal advice and was told porn is illegal in california.

and i know several people whose parents have not spoken to them for years because their adult children were marketing porn. and i know of two porn webmistresses who had the state try to take their children because of marketing porn - when the children were not even home. these women did not do their own shoots - they did not work when their children were home. in no way did this affect those children.

a free country? in a way, yes. but that leaves the bank and other businesses free to choose not to do business with you.

What about CYBERSOCKET WEB MAGAZINE?!!!

That is the best and most entertaining of all, and is directed to BOTH consumers & webmasters in the gay market! :groovy:

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Originally posted by Kath
I am a magazine junkie myself (I even archive all the old issues of my faves!) - but to really, really know that I have "arrived" would be the day I could afford to have a nice web set-up installed in the bathroom. How sad is that? lol I would probably freak over a shower set-up, a nice over the bed flat screen monitor so I could work on those middle-of-the-night ideas & projects... even something cool in the car! :thumbsup:

I know there's such a thing as wireless today, but we're talking about some really POSH ways to bring your connection with you EVERYWHERE - lol Like that guy in the Circuit City commercial with the soccer game on like 50 tvs throughout the house. Oh, I'm such a nerd... *sigh*

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I'll see you and raise you one. In the plan for our new facility, (Which I will be having an apartment on the 2nd floor) I have plans to fit the shower (with seat) with at least a monitor. The throne will DEFINITELY have a combo monitor/TV with a cordless (of course) keyboard.
I figure, what's the point in getting in my car at all? I'm losing nearly 4 hours a week in travel time.

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Originally posted by BDBionic
The only thing I read in my "reading room" are the ingredients on the back of my shampoo bottle :)

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Ahhh...the joys of youth.

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Originally posted by basschick
EmporerEJ - what world are YOU living in? every week, i see a thread somewhere asking if family members know what people do. mostly the answer is at least a partial no.

as it happens, my family does know. so do most people i know. but i am not the usual story.

a large number of bank of americas in california will close your account if they know you are an adult webmaster. they will be very honest and tell you the reason. i know of branches of other banks that will also close your account. and i know a few people in smaller towns whose bank accounts in small branches of large nat'l banks were closed because of the work they do.

there are a fair number of accountants who will not work for you. i've met a couple. there are people who believe what we do is illegal - someone i know went to his attorney for legal advice and was told porn is illegal in california.

and i know several people whose parents have not spoken to them for years because their adult children were marketing porn. and i know of two porn webmistresses who had the state try to take their children because of marketing porn - when the children were not even home. these women did not do their own shoots - they did not work when their children were home. in no way did this affect those children.

a free country? in a way, yes. but that leaves the bank and other businesses free to choose not to do business with you.

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Well, I feel for you. I guess you california folk ain't got it all figured out like you thought you did, huh?
Here we sit in conservative central PA USA, and we got more freedom. EVERY family member knows what I do. If I had to hide t, I wouldn't do it. I don't condemn anyone for making their choice. But you damn well better take responsibility for it and not blame someone else for it "getting out." You CHOOSE to hide it, you CHOOSE to take the risk. Don't ask me to lie for you. (Figuratively speaking)

I know that in the "real world" all the things that you say happen do happen. And it's not right. So what shall we do? Hide? When is it enough?
If there is one thing we've learned from the past several years, it's the public doesn't tolerate people that hide things. Clinton, Martha, add it up. They hung them out to dry because they lied. If you are gonna hang me out to dry, you are damn well gonna do it for something I did openly, not because I tried to hide something and lied about it. I'm not ashamed of what I'm doing, and if you (the public) have a problem with it, it's YOUR problem. Deal with it.

er... this doesn't only happen in california. i know lots of other places this happens in - i've been a webmaster for over 7 years, and i've seen banks close accounts due to porn in almost every state there is.

i neither hide what i do nor do i blame anybody. but what happened to dawgy was in another state entirely - they closed his account because he received a zmaster flyer that had his name on it and said he was an adult webmaster on the outside of the flyer.

and i know many more such stories. both of the mothers i mentioned where the state tried to take their kids were not in california, or even on the west coast.

i don't think i have "it all" figured out - no more than any other person. but i seriously doubt that california is worse than anywhere else.

sounds like you have some serious issues. we are ALL members of the public, and hostility will not make people willing to listen to our side. and what they don't listen to, they cannot understand.

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Originally posted by basschick
er... this doesn't only happen in california. i know lots of other places this happens in - i've been a webmaster for over 7 years, and i've seen banks close accounts due to porn in almost every state there is.

i neither hide what i do nor do i blame anybody. but what happened to dawgy was in another state entirely - they closed his account because he received a zmaster flyer that had his name on it and said he was an adult webmaster on the outside of the flyer.

and i know many more such stories. both of the mothers i mentioned where the state tried to take their kids were not in california, or even on the west coast.

i don't think i have "it all" figured out - no more than any other person. but i seriously doubt that california is worse than anywhere else.

sounds like you have some serious issues. we are ALL members of the public, and hostility will not make people willing to listen to our side. and what they don't listen to, they cannot understand.

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Oh please....
Save me from the "you got issues" response.
You either go through life and live your own way, or at some point you do what society wants. I'm not the one with issues, I DO exactly what I want.

This whole thread, (If you'd care to scroll back) started with a

"terrible magazine sent me their magazine free and it got me in trouble, ain't the magazine awful?"

I made the point that the mag in question A: Didn't come "unwrapped" to start with, and B: wasn't the "magazine's fault" in ANY case.

And then here we go, off into the twilight zone.
Real simple....either do the business and live with it, or get out and work for the man.

As for me, I AM the man, so I'll just keep working my business. When and If someone pulls that crap on me, we'll have at it. You go worry about your issues over there.

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Ahhh...the joys of youth.

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Yup yup. I'm in and out, lickity split. Don't gotta worry about toiling over mounds of reading material waiting for the Metamucil to kick in. It's quite nice. 8)

If I see them I will pick them up. Sometimes there are good things in them, but sometimes it's all ads.

I know people gotta run ads and all, but isn't there some writers (Lee) that could write something for them to maybe spread'em out a little more...

P.S. Dawgy is a awsome guy

just re-reading this thread to get my daily dose of drama.

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the zmaster flyer did NOT come wrapped, as anyone who received one back then can tell you. there were a number of people very upset.

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Originally posted by 123Jason
just re-reading this thread to get my daily dose of drama.

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Glad we could provide something to get your blood pumping!
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Originally posted by basschick
the zmaster flyer did NOT come wrapped, as anyone who received one back then can tell you. there were a number of people very upset.

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Yea, I'm not real sure what a "zmaster flyer" is, that's not what was originally discussed. If indeed a piece of adult material was sent improperly, which is what it sounds like, then that is a separate and different matter. I firmly believe material should always be sent in compliance with postal regulations. And if it IS, then there wouldn't be an issue.

this "zmaster" thing is certainly an issue, but, as I said, it's not the issue we were originally talking about. originally, we were talking about AVN Online, (Black plastic bag) and KLIXXX magazine (usually white envelope) being sent to someone. Then that someone, getting fired from their volunteer work because the local postal guy, in violation of postal regulations, talked about what he "found" in the guy's mail to someone. (Which I'm still trying to figure out.)
The receiver, was accusing the magazines of being terrible because they did this horrible thing of sending him the magazine(s) after he went to Internext and signed up for them by default during the registration process. It was his accusation that somehow the magazines were at fault for this egregious sin.

THAT was the issue on point

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Originally posted by AmazingGlass
I think CYBERSOCKET is great!

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We love you too! :) :groovy:

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Originally posted by Bell
I already get AVN and love it...

I want a free subscription to Klixxx and Cybersocket...

so Klixxx
and Cybersocket
people...

make that happen...


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P.O Box 31362
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~Bell

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Bell...it's supposed to be $15.99 /year for a Cybersocket subscription, due to shipping, etc.. Sorry!