How Do You Define A 'Reality Site'?

Im always amazed at the discussions i have with newer webmasters on ICQ but more than that, some people who have been in the industry as long as i have amaze me sometimes to.

I was just chatting to someone about reality sites and they said that these days pretty much every site using 'exclusive' content was a reality site to which i disagreed.

To me, just because a site has exclusive content on it, that doesnt make it a reality site at all.

So how do you folks define what a 'reality' site is in terms of content, layout, etc?

Regards,

Lee

a video site with non reality videos can still have a reality layout, which means there would be several tables per page, each featuring several sample pics and a description from each set.

reality content is done documentary style. these usually include street pickups of some kind and are treated as if the cameraman or producer is really finding their models on the street or in a certain location and takes us through the approach (hi. i'm looking for someone to do some modeling), the convicing (we pay big money and famous producers look at our work) and the action. one of the earliest such sites i was aware of is milfhunter.com and one of the earlier gay examples is cruise patrol but now there are plenty of them. topbucks has a good number of both gay and straight reality sites including his first big cock.

What is called a "reality" site is really a "Pseudo-reality" site.

The only actual reality site I can think of

{warning, blantant self-promotion in 3,2,1}

is Fratpad which really is a bunch of guys living together and trying to find a way to entertain a chat room full of horny gay guys.

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Originally Posted by Jasun

is Fratpad which really is a bunch of guys living together and trying to find a way to entertain a chat room full of horny gay guys.

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I wouldnt call that a reality site or reality concept myself, its a cam house/room.

Regards,

Lee

Reality TV is where a bunch of people expose parts of their real life and mix it in with a bit of underhanded back stabbing to win a prize. I think, on the buss .com was a reality site with gay guys heading out to burning man.

In porn, These days, you define it by the tour I guess as it's now a layout term and not a content type.

Dude Dorm and the like are cam houses yes, but a cam house is about as close to a reality site as you can get. Minus the weekly games for head of house and kicking people out as the weeks go on.

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Originally Posted by Lee

I wouldnt call that a reality site or reality concept myself, its a cam house/room.

Regards,

Lee

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meh... kind of, I guess.

But it's really more than just a cam house. We call it a "Live and Interactive Nude Reality Show" because that's what it is.

It's like "Real World" with the guys living their lives in front of you. It's not just jack off shows all day and night. It's more of a Soap Opera with naked guys than anything else.

I think a reality site has a story to tell. It's not just people getting naked and having sex, there's some real-life scenario.

For instance, Bait Bus, where supposed straight guys were teased into a bus by a big-titted woman. The guys were blind-folded and duped into having sex with a guy.

I just saw another last night, www.bangthechamp.com, where guys do ultimate fighting style sessions. After they beat the crap out of one another the winner gets to bang the girl who holds up the round numbers.

Broke Straight Guys is a reality site, as is College Boy Physicals. Brazil Bus is another one where a bus drives around and picks guys up off the street and they have sex in a bus. Gay Hitchhiker and a whole host of Topbucks sites, as basschick already mentioned. And I think the 50-man orgy Russian site could be argued as a reality site.

Sean Cody, Corbin Fisher, Randy Blue, UK Naked Men, Blake Mason, English Lads are not reality sites, they're just sites where guys are getting naked and having sex.

Exclusive content alone does not make a reality site. As I said, I think there needs to be some common thread or theme that ties all of the scenes together, i.e. guys picking up guys in washrooms and getting arrested and fucked by the cop.

I agree that a lot of people throw the word reality around when they shouldn't. In fact, I'd argue that anything that is staged isn't really a reality site, but then again, reality television itself is all staged, so there you go.

Michael

i don't think Broke Straight Guys is a reality site. they don't show the ad or explain the scenario - and a scenario is what makes a reality site, as well as pretending to be really happening (or actually really happening).

we are "mixed reality"

Tony&Cam are REAL and we really shoot our content Gonzo style so I guess that means we could be considered a reality site...

I mean, we're not some FAKE brand with someone's name - we are REAL MEN who fuck bareback

your site is not done in a reality style, and although a couple of your newest videos approach reality, you need a little more set up to be reality content.

being real does not a reality site make ;)

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Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo

we are "mixed reality"

Tony&Cam are REAL and we really shoot our content Gonzo style so I guess that means we could be considered a reality site...

I mean, we're not some FAKE brand with someone's name - we are REAL MEN who fuck bareback

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Originally Posted by basschick

your site is not done in a reality style, and although a couple of your newest videos approach reality, you need a little more set up to be reality content.

being real does not a reality site make ;)

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you already know that we don't follow any rules - we live by our own methods - I'm still learning and didn't really know that there are strict standards about these things

so maybe we're creating a "new" category that we can name the Tony&Cam style - real men, real situations, really shot and directed by us and produced and edited by us

I always say "fuck the set up and get to the fucking" cause in my opinion, people tune into barebackMasters to watch people fuck, not talk - besides Patti, its not polite for people to talk with their mouths full... (your suppose to laugh!)

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Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo

Tony&Cam are REAL and we really shoot our content Gonzo style so I guess that means we could be considered a reality site...

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Um.. No

That would make you a gonzo site, you cant have it both ways LOL

It really does appear that a lot of people dont understand the basics of websites they are promoting though, not so much here but across the industry as a whole, kind of makes you wonder.

Regards,

Lee

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Originally Posted by Lee

Um.. No

That would make you a gonzo site, you cant have it both ways LOL

It really does appear that a lot of people dont understand the basics of websites they are promoting though, not so much here but across the industry as a whole, kind of makes you wonder.

Regards,

Lee

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when we entered the Adult Industry Lee, people told us that we could never appear in more than one scene - we were hired and shot more than twenty for other producers - (we've now appeared in over 50 videos)

we were also told that we were "too old to appear in more than a few" - ok, let's not answer that one

and when we started shooting our own videos, people told us that we HAD to create dvd's with at least 4 scenes, no more than 15-20 minutes each and two people minimum each - we never shot that way and always released dvd's with 3 BIG scenes and lots of people mixed up

we were also told that we could not produce bareback videos -

obviously, we do what we want - that's why we are different and very successful breaking ground and ruffling the feathers of our competition

when we created our first member site, we "broke the rules" again and among other things, offered large videos at much higher rez than our competition and vastly larger and more vivid hi-rez photos - once again breaking away from "standard" - oh yeah, hi rez photos - what's that to the average bareback site (non existant)

I see no reason why we should follow rules that don't really exist... neçt pas my young friend?

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Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo

I see no reason why we should follow rules that don't really exist... neçt pas?

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Because these 'rules' do exist, as several people above mentioned, a reality site is something different to two older guys fucking each other bareback or do you have a storyline, plot, episodes, etc?

Regards,

Lee

because just as you cannot call yourself a twink because it has a meaning that doesn't apply to you, your site is not a reality site because that is a defined type of site.

funny thing is most people in straight understand what a reality site is, yet most people in gay do not.

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Originally Posted by basschick

funny thing is most people in straight understand what a reality site is, yet most people in gay do not.

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Thats true enough, i dont recall which show it was but a year or two back there was a panel about marketing gay sites and the question was asked 'what is a reality site' and, from memory i dont think ANYONE on that panel actually knew.

That was kind of worrying, knowing these were supposed to be people teaching others how to make money and they didnt even understand one of the most popular site concepts in the last 5 years :eek:

Regards,

Lee

that's right Patti - we're learning but, seems like you can't teach this old any new tricks - speaking of which - got a couple of hotties in the lay down room right now that need a good fuckin'

I'm gonna pull out my "you know what" and my camcorder and, film it - and I don't care what you call it but, its pretty real to me and to future viewers...

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Originally Posted by Lee

I wouldnt call that a reality site or reality concept myself, its a cam house/room.

Regards,

Lee

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What would you call the real world or surreal life ?

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Originally Posted by BBweb

What would you call the real world or surreal life ?

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Crap?

Regards,

Lee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_pornography

Well.. maybe this helps..

Although it doesn't touch on the issue of a "Reality Site"
When you mentioned the layout being required.. I got to thinking..

In the definition of reality porn listed above, it is said:

"staged scenes, usually shot in cinéma vérité fashion, set up and prelude sexual encounters."

So then perhaps a Reality Site requires that the scenes be set up via text, with the scene then watched.

A good example of this might be boyscasting.com (though I might be a little off on it)... it sets up the site itself with a little story.. then explains the encounter for each video... While the video itself is shot in a gonzo-ish style.

Tony,

No one is disputing you Tony and Cam are real men making their own porn. And your site is definitely hot. But it lacks a continuous storyline that would put it in the "reality" niche. If you and Cam trolled the Internet every week looking for new guys to have bareback sex with, and the video showed you guys trolling the Net and talking to guys, and inviting them over. And if you did that every week, then you'd have a reality site.

Right now, you're just a hot bareback sex site.

Michael

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Originally Posted by Dzinerbear

Tony,

No one is disputing you Tony and Cam are real men making their own porn. And your site is definitely hot. But it lacks a continuous storyline that would put it in the "reality" niche. If you and Cam trolled the Internet every week looking for new guys to have bareback sex with, and the video showed you guys trolling the Net and talking to guys, and inviting them over. And if you did that every week, then you'd have a reality site.

Right now, you're just a hot bareback sex site.


Michael

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well thanks Michael for having the balls to say something nice about us!

we actually ARE trolling the net for guys that we're putting up all the time - so, you should check back in sometime to see what we've been up to or, better yet, check out our regular posts - the posts both of us make twice a week on our travels and escapades including "real" photos of the people we meet and fuck - our blogs are very REAL

I guess I just don't get it - I bet that if I fucked the pope and put that on line then maybe, we'd be more real?

bye for now, got to get back to trolling the net! and excuse my french but, we've ALWAYS shot everything in cinema verite... and the very first thing we shot was banned from Naked Sword - they actually cut all of the barebacking out of the video - go figure... we moved on to AEBN after and have been happy ever since but that's a feed and off topic (sorry-not really)

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and excuse my french but, we've ALWAYS shot everything in cinema verite...

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Ha! :innocent:

we're releasing the first dvd in our new line Tony&Cam RAW and I'm not sure that I want to invest in a new bar code identity - we won't be distributing the new line through our distributor, The French Connection who's id is on all of our existing titles

We've mutually decided to go this on our own - so question is this...

We won't be selling mass quantities to Tower Records or Virgin anymore so do we really need a bar code?

Do small retailers really need to scan the id into their system?

We've asked several pop&pop shops and they don't seem to care

Is anyone else releasing dvd's without bar code and is that ok and successful with your distributors and retailers?

Tony wants to know

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Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo

I bet that if I fucked the pope and put that on line then maybe, we'd be more real?

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Yes, actually. LOL.

Think he'd take it bare?

Anyway, "Reality" sites are based on context.

A legit straight man being convinced to have sex with another guy is "reality." But if all the producer did was cut right to the sex with no setup and no context to the fact, then the viewer doesn't know it's reality. They'll just think it's like any other scene. So they have to provide the context. They have to set it up with an aura of being more or less unplanned/unrehearsed/whatever.

Like the online hookup thing... If you set it up with "We just met this guy online. We're about to meet him for the first time..." then you've got the DNA for reality content.

reality porn doesn't mean it's real. fucking the pope still wouldn't be reality. reality porn is a style of porn that explains the scenario, shows the cameraman and the fucker talking about getting the new model, shows the fucker making the connection and talking to the model, then going to the location the action will happen, then setting up to do the action, then the action itself - and perhaps a short afterpiece.

for example:

a guy and his camera man are walking up the street. they are talking about needing a new model and what kind of guy they want to find today. the guy says he's going to start things off by telling prospective models they need someone to pose for "art" pics. they approach a guy, tell him they want him to pose. he asks if it's nude. they say "sometimes". he says he doesn't know about that. they convince him to come back with them. they go to studio. they convince him (with lots of money or a promise that no one will ever see this video) to take him clothes off. then with more money or promises, they convince him to jack off or get sucked.

another one:

3 guys are driving around in a van - the driver, the cameraman and the guy. they say that the last guy they shot was hot once he was willing to get going, then talk about how they want a college guy today. it is established that they are either near or at a college. they approach a flustered looking guy from the van, ask if he wants a ride. he says yes - his car broke down and he can't carry all this stuff all the way home, so thanks. he heaves his heavy backpack in the back of the van and gets in. the main guy is back there. they convince him to get his cock sucked. the cock is sucked and they drop him at home, kick him out of the van or whatever they do.

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Originally Posted by A_DeAngelo

well thanks Michael for having the balls to say something nice about us!

we actually ARE trolling the net for guys that we're putting up all the time - so, you should check back in sometime to see what we've been up to or, better yet, check out our regular posts - the posts both of us make twice a week on our travels and escapades including "real" photos of the people we meet and fuck - our blogs are very REAL

I guess I just don't get it - I bet that if I fucked the pope and put that on line then maybe, we'd be more real?

bye for now, got to get back to trolling the net! and excuse my french but, we've ALWAYS shot everything in cinema verite... and the very first thing we shot was banned from Naked Sword - they actually cut all of the barebacking out of the video - go figure... we moved on to AEBN after and have been happy ever since but that's a feed and off topic (sorry-not really)

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OK - that all makes sense to me - so, in short - we can use the stuff we got today?

I drop Cam off at our bank and I'm sitting in my jeep in downtown BH when this HOT guy walks in front of my jeep and gives a "woof" look so,

what do I do? pull out a contract and get him on camera signing the contract before I continue
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go ahead and start shooting the set up? (god forbid I have him go down on me in my jeep at Wilshire and Linden in downtown beverly hills at 12:07PM during a stock market crash!) - that's almost as sacriliguous as fucking the pope for Christ's sake!

am I being too technical?

we always do "re-inactments" in that we interview a guy first - get him to sign the all important model release then, set up the time, place and date and do a "re-inactment" on film with the forms all signed, permits on hand (thank you city hall), insurance paid... etc

does anyone else do that or we too "business" oriented?

btw - does anyone know what's going on with that whole new ordinance in NYC requiring a million dollar insurance policy, permits and time limits on any videography and photography taken in public on city street?

It's mostly the presentation that matters most.

Sites like Twinks for Cash do all the legalese first, then they basically fake the "reality" portion of it where they pick the "random" guy up off the street.

But the more spontaneous you make it FEEL, the better. You'll notice how the camera (or the person behind it) often becomes a 3rd person in the room in some way (if not directly, then at least subliminally where they know they're being filmed). It's not like "regular" porn where they're ignored as if they're not there. Doing so feels too staged for "reality".

There are other twists and turns to try too. For example, you could "offer" guys money on camera if they'll go bare... I don't remember seeing any "Bareback for Cash" sites before, so that could be a new niche? Heh.

When I think of a reality site, I think of a straight site that is mrbigdickshotchicks.com... on there they show picking up chicks at the carwash, on the street, just about anywhere, then going back to the studio and fucking them.