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Im currently looking at my options for a new biller..
This is my first time looking for a biller so what are the pros and cons of CCBILL/EPOCH/VERATEL or however you spell it :)
what should I look out for?
also what do you think is the best solution for me to start out with?
Please give me your opinion cause I wanna make sure I make the right choice and the good choice.
Im sure there is some sort of difference so it would be nice to know what Im looking at on those avenues :)
if you have $1500 - hopefully you do - sign up with ccbill and epoch. then you can use epoch's cascading feature. later on, if you choose, you can add a cascading program like NATS, too. plus you can mirror your tour twice and offer those affiliates who want to use only ccbill or only epoch an epoch-only and ccbill-only tour.
i don't care for verotel myself - they''re not very flexible and their affiliate stats blow - but it's good if you're broke or not in a country that is currently accepted by ccbill or epoch.
if you decide to go with EITHER ccbill or epoch, both are good companies. more affiliates know ccbill, and ccbill does allow affiliates to keep all their accounts in one master account so they receive only one check. i think epoch is working on this, but i don't think an affiliate can do this themselves yet. epoch is the king of cross sales and seems to have a slighly higher acceptance rate. honestly you can't go wrong with either of them.
Right now, I'd say Epoch is your best option because their new system cascades. So if the sale is decline by Epoch, it'll go to ccbill. That will increase your revenue. But I believe ccbill is debuting a similar system shortly. (I might be wrong there.) Verotel, in my opinion, is a "only if you have to" biller. They've also had some problems in the past and they process for some pretty questionable stuff. I'd stick with Epoch or ccbill.
Epoch also has more options for European customers who don't always use or have credit cards.
Michael
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Originally Posted by basschick
Yes I have more than enough money.. cash is not a problem :) financially I dont care what the cost is.. I just wanna know what the best solution is.. Thank you dzinerbear and basschick :)
in that case, go for both. it allows you the most flexibility and you can go with epoch cascading to ccbill right away, which means some more sales than you would have had. what's more, while you could license NATS, i think beginning programs are helped by having the biller pay the affiliates directly, so perhaps it's to your advantage to start out with epoch cascading to ccbill.
and michael, i also remember hearing that ccbill is working on their cascading solution.
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Originally Posted by MistahTaylor
Go for both. Stay away from Verotel if you want affiliates. It's a POS.
LOL is verotel like that old biller.. Hmm Im trying to think of there name.. Chip help me out with this one.. Are they likee that biller that went out of business and didnt pay anyone? Or was not paying anyone LOL.. I forgot there name it has come to a loss for some reason.. Someone refresh my memory HEHE
There have been two main billers that went bust.
DMR a long time ago
Ibill more recently
I wouldn't compare Verotel to that. I have had some bounced checks a year or so ago. But, signing up as an affiliate is a pain in the ass. And depending on your join options, you may have to signup more than once just to market the same site. I believe it has to do if the site offers a non recur option.
Plus, their stats are HORRIBLE.
Most webmasters that use them really can't pay the visa fee or they got declined because of content issues with another processor.
I think it was Ibill I was thinking of.. :p
there was also globill, pswbilling and one more i can't think of the name of... although i believe both paid off the money owed ultimately.
ACPays was another.
spoken like a man who has a company expense account~Quote:
Originally Posted by MistahTaylor
HAHA thanks to my family LOL.. HAHA that quote made me sound like a complete snobby bitch.. Leave it to chad thanks.. LOL playing did you check out my penis pics yet :playboy:Quote:
Originally Posted by chadknowslaw
my 2 cents: if money is not an issue, start off properly by leasing NATS for $150/mo, then changing billers in the future will a lot easier and you won't have to force your affiliates to change their link codes.
For billers, I would go with epoch and ccbill for cc processing and gxbill for phone billing. Both epoch and ccbill have their own strengths, if you want to maximize your sales you will research those strenghts and setup geotargeted cascades as appropriate.
cheers,
Luke
Wow sounds good :) Thanks chilihost.
Since you and others asked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
CCBill's own cascading affiliate system is in beta and on the near horizon for release.
http://www.ccbill.com/beta
First is the cascade to Epoch, with SegPay following shortly.
Want to be on the test - sign-up and then drop me a line, too.
I would like to speak on behalf of my experience with 3 processors:
Epoch
CCBill
Verotel
I first took my membership sites to Verotel. I was with them at the very first starting stages of my membership sites:
Here's my experience and pros & cons with Verotel: :footmouth: :footmouth:
Pros: 24/7 support
1800 phone support
They don't really speak good english. I was with their "Tickets Club" and I didn't really like it at all.
Apparently, they started wanting 2257 model releases and I left them. They weren't the friendliest people at all. I always had problems with members gaining instant log-in. I think they manually do it.
I left Verotel when they wanted model releases because I don't release that to anyone, and I purchase feeds from:
AEBN, World Wide Feeds, XAMO, & Hard Gay Feeds, and they demanded model releases from all of those. Well that's a seperate entity. I didn't even have the releases. So I said good bye.
I then went to CCBill. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
I was happy with CCBill, but it wasn't the greatest experiences.
3/4 of my new memberships were declined for stupid reasons such as if they didn't click on a link in their email or something they would be declined. I received anywhere from 3-5 declined memberships daily.
CCBill is a very good processor, I will give them credit on that. But I left when they made a homophobic comment.
They're webmaster affiliate program wasn't the best, but it was okay.
I left CCBill, and now I'm with Epoch. I have NOTHING bad to say about Epoch except sometimes their compliance department is a little too picky on approving things sometimes. I'll say something about it, and then they're fine.
They have a great affiliate program, they pay weekly, they pay webmasters weekly. I think they're awesome.
The only problem I've had with Epoch in the 6-7 months that I've been with them is at times their compliance dept. is really picky. And sometimes it can take several days for a site to become approved.
I plan on remaining with epoch for a long time. :broccoli: :broccoli: :broccoli:
So there you have it. My experiences. :chef:
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Originally Posted by MistahTaylor
I'd be happy to assist you. Im Nora from Epoch. Hit me up on ICQ
Thanks
Hi,
I'd be happy to assist you. Im Nora from Epoch. Hit me up on ICQ 348805214
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Thanks JJ !!! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by SebSloPro
MistahTaylor,
Nora will take really good care of you! She is such a wonderful lady!!!!
I think you would also be really happy with using Epoch's affiliate program. They offer so many more tools than others!
I have SebastianBucks.com which is my affiliate program, and Epoch provides you with TGP Gallery, Hunk of the day, and just so many more awesome features! I found these tools more profitable and a lot better than I had with CCBill and Verotel.
I sincerely think you would be happy with Epoch as a primary processor.
Just to clarify this point...Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
Epoch does allow affiliates to combine different accounts into a master account. Here is a link to our Epoch affiliate join page for example... http://www.epochstats.com/wmreg/add_...php?program=64
oh, thanks! last i heard, it was still on the way.
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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy