Modeling Vs. Whoring

I was looking around at a few sites to get ideas on themes and content and I can only assume some people use their business for a dating service.

REAL LIVE STRAIGHT GUYS GETTING SUCKED OFF BY ME!

When you pay someone to model, they are a model
When you pay two models to fuck, there is a controversial line of sex work/prostitution.

BUT

When you pay someone to model and get fucked or sucked off by you, doesn’t this cross the line of work and just become Prostitution with the scapegoat of content production? I mean, you are paying someone to suck them off.

Yes you are BUT you are also producing a product...just because you have fun doing it doesn't make it wrong.

Most people hate what they do to make money...a few lucky ones can say they enjoy it.

Lee

In General, sleeping with models is B A D business. Anyone who can recruit models can work rentboy etc , no need to shit where you eat :-)

So whats the difference then when any of us pay 2 or more people to have sex together to film it.
The way you put it, we would all be in the same boat. Paying some one for sex. It would not matter if you or I jump in or not.

I don't see any negative connotations to adults having sex with who they like, when they like, for whatever reason they like.

People can be non sexual whores for many things having nothing to do with sex; Money, promotion, shelter, boards, etc.

Hell even "legitimate" non sexual million dollar models are a whore to the camera for a living.

BTW... if you live in a country, state or county where prostitution is legal then where is the line, and who decides where it is?

speaking purely for myself, i have been a rentboy and a model. Both were great, I just like to know why I am where I am. Most models will have a better opinion of themselves if they feel they were hir3red as models, not just some guy's next piece of ass .

I actually do think there is a fine line between models being 'talent' and models being used as 'whores' by someone claiming to be a 'producer'.

Regards,

Lee

Yes, don't shit where you eat <- well said.

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Originally Posted by Squirt

BTW... if you live in a country, state or county where prostitution is legal then where is the line, and who decides where it is?

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I believe the line is drawn if...

You shoot a model because you want to fuck the model = whoring

You shoot a model because you want to make money from them = business

Regards,

Lee

It is not inappropriate to put yourself in your own films. It's not always the most attractive model you can use, but sometimes it beats paying an extra model fee!

What IS inappropriate is when you have sex with the models off camera! That is generally always a bad thing and leads to trouble. We have a strict company policy that ALL employees (including myself) cannot play with models that work for Titan. If you do you get fired.

To "interview" a model you do not need to have sex with them or even lay a hand on them! That is completley inappropriate! We interview hundreds of guys a year without ever laying a hand on them.

Any models out there, if anyone from a company tries to have sex with you during an interview process you need to leave! This is not industry standard and you should not have to have sex with someone from the company to get cast in a film.

What may be appropriate is if they ask you to get an erection and possibly jerk-off to show you can do it under pressure. But, even then no one from the company should be touching you or "helping" you.

actually it's funny. I've in dozens of films for john but never in my own , just getting to out of shape after the navy.

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Originally Posted by Titanmen

What IS inappropriate is when you have sex with the models off camera! That is generally always a bad thing and leads to trouble. We have a strict company policy that ALL employees (including myself) cannot play with models that work for Titan. If you do you get fired.

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We have the same policy. Regardless of the business, we are employers and it is not appropriate to have sex with the models. Having them get naked and fully hard is not an inappropriate request at all. We don't ask them to cum in an interview (if they can get fully erect, chances are good they can finish).

I was totally trippin when a model model in an interview told me he could only get hard with pics of pregnent Asian chicks. But if I didn't have any "you can suck me hard". Yeah right. Later gater.

BTW I did come up with the pics he needed and sure enough, it worked like a charm. Just when I think i have seen it all.

I know that back in the days I used to pay for porn (hehe) I could never bring myself to pay for "webmaster/producer-participation porn" because I didn't feel like I was paying for a product for myself, but rather paying for the webmaster/producer to get laid.

That being said, however, I think there are some webmaster/producers who participate in their own videos yet do a good job of making that a part of the appeal and "storyline" behind the material, so to speak. I think the concept of the models' seduction at the hands of the producer is what may appeal to a lot of the customers of that material.

There are others, however, who are obviousy in it solely to get themselves laid and the income serves no other purpose than to enable them to get access to guys they'd never otherwise be able to get. Which I find quite sketchy.

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Originally Posted by Lee

I believe the line is drawn if...

You shoot a model because you want to fuck the model = whoring

You shoot a model because you want to make money from them = business

Regards,

Lee

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Yeah always about the money! Content is king.

Models should also know exactly what's going to happen before filming and agree to it.

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Originally Posted by Squirt

if you live in a country, state or county where prostitution is legal then where is the line, and who decides where it is?

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Wondered about that myself.

I make it clear that I'm not a "hands on" photog. I don't mix business and pleasure. But if the model is a rentboy, I might make a separate deal after the shoot.

I've only had one non-rentboy model come on to me, and that was well after the shoot.

Is it that hard to use common sense and show *some* respect for the model ?

When my parents thru my brother into the street, I had enough faith to put him at John's ( miamistudios) house , knowing he might make porn ( he did, lots) but he would not be touched, or even offered drugs. He went untouched the 2 and half years he lived there. Smart business too, I'm sure the films made them good money, and he never worked for anyone else .

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Originally Posted by Titanmen

What IS inappropriate is when you have sex with the models off camera! That is generally always a bad thing and leads to trouble. We have a strict company policy that ALL employees (including myself) cannot play with models that work for Titan. If you do you get fired.

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Great policy - I wish more folks in the industry would adopt it.

just one of those times good manners and good business made sense , I'm sure we made the studio alot of money, and we werr well treated, win win for all

i do not sleep with my models or adult performers.

i do pay for s*x , but it's never with me! :crybaby:

my "dating" is non-existent , i'm either working or surrounded by friends , sex to me reminds me too much of work , i found it amusing once this guy i met in a bar took me back to his hotel room and i moved the furniture around so as to allow the camera's to get in closer to the bed.

sincerely ~ ..."what do i do? , i arrange furniture for a living!"... :innocent:

I can't believe that a producer would have sex with a performer on camera! Oh, wait....

A few clarifications about my business model.

First of all my site is mostly about Jake Cruise, a middle aged regular Joe, getting to service or have sex with hot guys of all legal ages. Notice I said "Jake Cruise" and not "me." The reason is that I'm not Jake Cruise. In real life I don't have sex with a ton of hot guys. Those who know me know that my lover and I will soon celebrate our 18th anniversary. And I'm Cuban, not the anglo I play on the internet. (yes, I speak fluent Spanish)

So I'm a producer, a director, AND an actor playing a character. Just because I produce and direct doesn't mean I shouldn't act - even poorly.

For anyone out there who doesn't produce porn and thinks that the guys performing are having a great time, here's a secret. They probably aren't, at least not to the extent you think. It's all in the editing.

So when you see me giving a straight hunk a blow job, or getting fucked by a stud, or whatever, keep this in mind: I have 9 full time employees that depend on my cock getting hard, staying hard, and performing. All during the shoot I have to think about directing the scene, problems with the server, what's going on with the DVDs we're producing, an employee who isn't working out well, etc. Since I'm not a masochist I don't actually enjoy performing on camera. But it's my job and someone's gotta do it.

As for prostitution, well, whatever! I can't believe that anyone even thinks this can be an issue. We make our living off of porn. We're in the sex business. If someone wants to prostitue him or herself, that's their business.

Maybe I'm taking the comments on this post the wrong way. But it seems to me that several posts imply that prostitution, in whatever form it takes, is wrong. If a producer has sex with a model off camera for money, that's prostitution. If a banker hires a guy from Rentboy to have sex for money, that's prostitution. If a producer hires a performer to have sex with him on camera as part of his business model, that may be considered prostitution.

So the question I have is: Is anyone here ready to say that prostitution is immoral? If so, speak up.

Jake, I don't believe many of us would counter much of what you are saying. The point I was making is that a producer who uses his position to get sex with a model or wants to 'test drive' a model is doing something wrong. I have worked with a number of guys that have been in situations where they feel pressured to have sex with an employer inorder to get the gig. Very old 'casting couch' crap. That sort of behavior is indeed wrong.

I agree that producers should not have sex with models unless it is for a shoot, and producers should not sleep with models to "interview" them.

I also believe that prostitution should not be a crime and that whore is not a bad word.

Oh --

and one more thing


Jake Cruise isn't real??????? OMG



ha ha ha

Jake Cruise is a great site but I think he got his ideas from straight porn -- you know -- average guy fucks super hot horny chicks on a regular basis. Jake Cruise lives the dream ......

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