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The day after Fall From Grace airs on Showtime.
I saw this trailer last night on Showtime and im definately going to be tuning in to see the documentary.
He's gonna piss so many people off after they watch this program its going to be unreal.
Regards,
Lee
You know, while this guy really pisses me off with his gay bashing hate america talk, the part that really gets to me is these little kids spouting off the same hate, that at their young age, they don't know, and shouldn't know anything about. This reminds me sorta of the movie Jesus Camp, and its just child abuse.
That movie Jesus Camp was downright disturbing.
Seeing those kids being fed all those talking points. Seeing those kids praying to a cardboard cut out of George W Bush. Seeing those kids being told that they don't have to worry about Global Warming since Jesus is going to come and take them all to Heaven pretty soon anyway.
Seeing that fat old woman yelling at the kids for liking Harry Potter and wearing makeup.
However... I think that how Fred Phelps and his whole family are going down is going to be just like Waco. They'll lock themselves in the compound and commit group suicide. Soon, I hope.
You know maybe Phelps helps our cause in a very bizarre way. He hates us, and hates America. So he is grouping gay people with the entire United States. Maybe just maybe Americans will realise what its like to be a victim of a hate campaign.
Nah i doubt it too.
I think he makes things worse.
He allows Dubya and the Republicans to claim the middle ground on the issue. He makes it possible for Anne Coulter to say "I dont' hate gays.. you dont' see me walking through the streets saying GOD HATES FAGS. I just think they shouldn't have any rights at all and should be sent to doctors to be cured."
C'mon don't lump all republicans into the same class. Just as you probably wouldn't lump all black people, gays,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
into the same class. Some of us republicans are only republicans because we lean a little more towards the right than the left and there are no other choices. It all comes down to making educated decisions and thats it. People need to stop believing what they see on TV and actually do research for themselves. I can find just as much dirt on Democratic candidates as I can republicans right now. They are all pretty much money / power hungry shitbags imho yet the porn industry tends to lean left , which blows my mind too, but I digress.
Lie down with dogs, get fleas.
Go ahead and be a Republican all you want.
When the platform is no longer "Take away gay rights, bomb third world nations into the stone age, pollute the planet rather than turn away oil industry campaign contributions and convert everyone to Christianty," I'll change my mind.
Until then I'll lump you all together all I want, thanks. Fight for change in your own party or be prepared for me to think you're all the same.
:fuckyou: :jasun:
Stereotype much? Glad to see you think logically and outside party lines. Anyone who knows me knows that I am not any of those things. I don't think its up to ME to make any changes, I believe what I believe and I vote along those lines, that is where I make my voice heard. I work in the gay industry and most of my friends are gay. I don't go to church or believe in god. I have my own reasons for leaning right more than left. IMHO it's the thought processes like this that cause problems. You are no less fanatical than the guy you are complaining about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
Yes. Where did I put that "GOD HATES BREEDERS" sign anyway?
I seem to remember sticking it up someone's ass but I can't remember if we got it out.
Hey man.. you can vote for whomever you want. I'm Canadian and the "Liberal Party of Canda" is a centerist party.
I certainly didn't say I'd vote for any Democrat to come along.
Just that so far, this administration's platform is.. well.. not in line with what I think to be rational thought.
And hey.. many of my friends are gay too. Go figure.
Well in the US we have 2 choices, if there was a good Libertarian candidate I would probably vote for him. Do I agree with everything GW has done in his presidency? Hell no. Do I agree with democrats? Hell No. My point was to simply state that fanaticism is crazy regardless of what you believe. The idea is to teach our kids and public to forumlate their own thoughts. Anyone who votes along party lines and lumps people all together is no less fanatical than a kkk member etc., imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
All we can do is vote and hope for change, but until all of us as a people stand up for what we believe in and pull our heads out of our asses., then things will never change. The same goes for any country, not just the US.
My point exactly... I just got called a "fanatic" for standing up for my own rights.
Simply being a gay person wanting equal rights in this country makes me the extreme left on this issue... and allows Republicans to claim the middle ground.
Thanks.:balls: :jasun:
No, I called you a fanatic for lumping republicans all together and hating a stereotype, not for standing up for your own rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
I don't understand how any rational person could vote republican. Today's republicans do not hold the values of what we traditionally think their values to be. Do they really believe in small/efficient government, low taxes, fiscal responsibility and states rights? REALLY?! Today's republican are strictly pro-corporation, gay-bashing, rascist, sexist, anti-abortion, civil rights-hating, lying, deceitful, christian extremist-seducing, fascist war mongers... nothing more.
Bill Clinton was a great republican president. Yes, I know he is a democrat but Clinton democrats are more of what we think of when we think of traditional republicans. We had a balanced budget and a tax surplus under his presidency. During the Bush Adminstration and under a republican controlled congress, we went from actually paying down our national debt to giving tax breaks to the wealthy and fighting an outrageously expensive and unnecessary war. We further enriched the oil industry and defense contractors while more and more american corporations moved to 3rd world countries. And the dollar has lost 40% of it's value compared to the Euro.
We are headed for economic collapse in the next few years because of the irresponsiblity of the republican party. Our environment is also collapsing faster than anyone could have envisioned just a decade ago. And republicans are lulled by the christian extremist agenda and could give a shit. The rapture is coming soon anyways, so why worry?
The power will shift soon enough. My only regret is that we don't have a truly liberal party to represent us anymore. Your only real choice in the voting booth is between the extreme right wing (republicans) and the not-so-extreme right wing (democrats). We are fucked!
The sad thing is, most people in the US today dont realize that what Clinton did was a Republican thing because both parties have shifted so much from their original core beleifs over the past 12 years :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
Regards,
Lee
The guy is like 2000 years old. How much time does he have left anyway?
Just the loudest ones. The others are cowards as far as I can tell. They'll tell me what they really believe ... but never too loudly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
Just like I used to tell my mother.. there are two types of Christians..Quote:
Originally Posted by SPACE GLIDER
There's the kind who openly hate us, scape goat the gay community, try to enact laws to vindictively make our lives miserable and break apart our families.
There's also the kind who quietly tell us "we're not all like that" but not only don't do anything about it, they get angry and attack us that lump them all together.
Republicans are the same.. sure.. they're not ALL anti-gay, anti-environment, racist, anti-poor, greedy ass hats... but lump them all together and the ones who aren't will attack you a LOT stronger than they do the Rank and File of the party who are... anti-gay, anti-environment, racist, anti-poor, greedy ass hats.
mAnne Coulter's rhetoric ain't nothing but making money, I did a post here Ann Coulter Is A Fag Hag?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
Jerry Falwell said something like "thank God for gays, if they didn't exist I'd have to invent 'em" (fund-raising comment)...
You are obviously entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong in mine. There are a lot of democrats who vote party line because they are in porn, a minority or hell maybe because they are gay. But does that really matter? Why not vote for who is going to tackle your issues better? It's just common sense. I just vote for what makes sense to me. Has nothing to do with being a "closet christian" and not wanting to better my party. Hell I vote for what I believe in, and to me that is changing my party and my country. Have I voted democrat before? Yep. But my point was lumping an entire group of people together is no less fanatical than this guy or a kkk member saying "white power" and hating all black people. For example, I have never been to church, I think the rich have it too easy etc. One of the reasons why I am republican is because I am a veteran. I care about our vets and I don't want them to lose all their benefits. Those men and women who served in ww2, vietnam, korea etc., and were told they would have great life when they retired were lied to. Democrats constantly take these things away from those who gave so much for our country. I think some of you watch entirely too much television and think all republicans are just like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, while many are, there are many who are not. My only point in this thread was to say using stereotypes is idiotic no matter what you say, those of you who are gay, black etc., deal with this on a daily basis I am sure, and should be more aware of this issue. I'm actually kind of shocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasun
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Originally Posted by AcidMaX
Are you serious? The democrats take benefits away from vets?! You may be right but it is news to me. I think perhaps you're the one watching too much Hannity and O'Reilly.
Recent events suggest that your fear of the democratic party taking away veterns benefits is unfounded. As you know, the pentagon is a hornets nest of republican ideals. And they are responsible for trying to get vets wounded by IEDs to return their signing bonuses because they are no longer able to serve. The Walter-Reid scandal and the ongoing scandal of military veterns being refused benefits is SOLELY the fault of republican-minded military bureauocracy.
I was a soldier during the Clinton administration and during the first gulf war. I watched them pull benefits away from veterans and from active duty soldiers. I have my own beliefs and thoughts on the Democrats when it pertains to vets/soliders. But that is out of the scope of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
I'm not going to continue trying to share my thoughts in this thread. Many of you are very one sided and not willing or wanting to see both sides. I am not slamming you guys for your political affiliations whatsoever, you have your own reasons for being democrats, repubicans, christians, atheists etc. It is all life experiences that make us who we are. That's what you guys are not paying attention to. However it's obvious some of you are not grasping that this whole thread was me talking about stereotyping. I am sure the LBGT community hates when they are stereotyped, anyone would. Why shouldn't I stand up and say, you guys are wrong for stereotyping and classifying someone for parts of their political beliefs.
I say Ann Coulter IS a man.
Frankly, if people did the research and made an educated decision, we'd all be Libertarian. But then, none of those guys seem to be very successful at winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by AcidMaX
I grew up a republican. I still lean to the right where fiscal responsibility goes and lean to the left with social issues. Unfortunately, the republicans, over the past 7 years have managed to create the largest debt in the history of this country, for the first time ever, invaded a nation without provocation, openly lied to the Congress and the American people about WMD and have succeeded in taking away many of our civil rights. Guess I have to agree with Jasun.....you can't lay down with dogs without waking up with fleas.
Bill
I don't see any viable candidates on either side.