Obama Winning in Iowa

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080104/ap_po/caucus_rdp_94

If I was still in Iowa, I would have caucused for Obama. Hilary was my second choice.

Huckabee is scary because he is so conservative and an ordained Baptist minister. Baptists do not have a reputation for being caring compassionate or non-judgmental people! However, having a far-right candidate on the republican ticket would push moderates to the Democrat, which is good. In Arizona's last gubernatorial election, a far-right wing wacko made the republican nomination but then lost in a landslide to the Democrat in a state with more registered republicans than Democrats.

While I do not like any one party controlling both houses of Congress and the White House, I think a few years of Democrats in control of all 3 is needed to balance out the damage done by 6 years of the repubs in total control.

Chad, where I do respect your opinion I disagree strongly. Obama is so far left, if half the programs he wants to start get through it would over burden the middle class, stop business growth and possibly bankrupt our country totally. As a matter of fact the top 3 democrats are all the same.

Huckabee even tho being right seems like a nut to me. To bad the second tier candidates (republicans) couldn’t break through and make a decent showing.

We have seen what the democrats can do when they control all 3 houses, they had it for something like 30 years before Americans woke up. Than they took over 2 houses (most recent election) and couldn’t do anything for a year or so except increase the minimum wage and add pork when they promised to get rid of it totally.

I agree that a Huckster nomination would help the democrats come general election...but I don't think he will make it that far. I think Romney and McCain will battle out New Hampshire, then the G-Man (who has been taking a back seat) will do well on Super Duper Tuesday February 5 and become the nominee. He will be hard to beat. IMHO.

I personally support John Edwards. Both with words, money, and the occasional weekend handing out flyers. I think that he is our best choice for change and to represent those of us who seem to be fogotten.

There is NO WAY I would ever vote for Hillary. In fact, I would probably vote thrid party, or maybe even for the right republican like Gulianni. Not sure though....but I doubt she will get the nomination anyway.

oh it's happening again :scared:

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Originally Posted by rdynow

We have seen what the democrats can do when they control all 3 houses, they had it for something like 30 years before Americans woke up. Than they took over 2 houses (most recent election) and couldn’t do anything for a year or so except increase the minimum wage and add pork when they promised to get rid of it totally.

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In Which 30 years did the democrats own all 3 houses? Because I am now 45 years old, and in this time we have had 30 years of republican presidents. Since 1981, we have had all but 8 years of Republican misadministration. In this time, we have seen real incomes fall for the middle class, the largest income gap between the wealthy and everyone else since the 1800's, a huge increase in real taxation (on the middle class), per capita spending for health care reach record levels while we rank last in the industrialized world in preventable deaths, and the normalization of torture as a legitimate tool of war.

Large corporations have seized our democracy, and they are not looking out for the health of our nation, they are looking out for the health of thier profit margins. This is NOT in your personal best interests.

As to Clinton and Obama being far left? Sheesh, stop listening to Rush.

You need to do more research.

Jimmy Carter was democrat, Clinton was a democrat. Blows your 30 years of republican presidents out of the water. During Regan our economy grew at it’s best rate in the 20th century.

The 3 major democrats by definition are tax and spend liberals. Their campaign promises and programs prove that. Maybe you should listen to their speeches and a few of the past debates.

Since we are not a democracy corporations can’t take over what doesn’t exist.

OK, here we go:

Democrats:
Kennedy/Johnson - 1960 to 1968
Carter - 1976-1980
Clinton - 1992-2000
total 20 years.

Nixon/Ford - 1968 to 1976 (Republican)
Reagan/Bush - 1980-1992
Bush II - 2000-2007
total 27 years.

Republicans are much closer to 30 years out of the last 45 than Democrats are.

Also, "tax and spend liberal" is a phrase straight out of the Republican playbook.

If you're in the adult industry and supporting Republican candidates, you should really get your head examined. If the Republicans had their way, there would be no adult industry.

Let's not forget that your dear Ronald Reagan's Attorney General, Ed Meese, was responsible for the biggest crackdown the porn industry ever experienced, while Reagan spent all the Social Security funds reserved to pay for baby boomers (that this generation will now have to try to pay back), ran us into the largest deficit we'd ever seen (that is, until Bush II squandered the huge surplus that Clinton left), singlehandedly stood by and did absolutely nothing while tens of thousands of gay men died of AIDS, and contributed to putting more people into poverty than any president before or since, and allowed corporate america to run amok and corrupt the governmental system far more than any president before him.

If you believe that's a positive

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

If you're in the adult industry and supporting Republican candidates, you should really get your head examined.

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Ditto. As some Retardican Windbag might say. :D

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Originally Posted by rdynow

You need to do more research.

Jimmy Carter was democrat, Clinton was a democrat. Blows your 30 years of republican presidents out of the water. During Regan our economy grew at it’s best rate in the 20th century.

The 3 major democrats by definition are tax and spend liberals. Their campaign promises and programs prove that. Maybe you should listen to their speeches and a few of the past debates.

Since we are not a democracy corporations can’t take over what doesn’t exist.

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Ok..I don't usually get involved in these political discussions, but I do have to ask you to get very specific about Reagan..Especially your claim that "our economy grew at it's best rate in the 20th Century."

Could you post your figures and where you get them for this claim? Thanks

Thanks chip... Some how he missed "out of the last 45 years) - I miscounted the Nixon / Ford years and added 2008 to the Republicans....

So, I stand corrected. Out of the last 45 years, it has been 18 years of Dem rule compared to 27 Republican.

Our economy has done better under Dems in all years except for the Carter years (but in Carters defense, he was paying back the fall out for Nixons taking us off the Gold Standard, which led to the Opec price wars). Ronald Reagan and Shrub Bush brought us the hugest deficits in American History, while Clinton left us with a surplus. How CAN that tax and spend lie be supported in the face of the actual evidence?

Now that Shrub has managed to cut taxes on the richest people in America, while charging up all costs for the war on credit, Taxes will HAVE to go up, and this funny republican folks are going to blame whatever politician comes in to try and clean up the mess... it wont be Tax and Spend, it will be Tax and Pay Back our Debt.

I just don't understand Gay republicans at ALL - much less Republicans who work in the adult industry. It amazes me when people vote so heavily against their own best self interest.

Let’s see:

FDR 1933-1945 12 years the worst president in American history, started so many social programs, started to bankrupt the country.

Truman 1945-1953 8 years had no clue

JFK 1961-1963 2 years really a republican in democrat clothes

LBJ 1963-1969 6 years just a crook

Carter 1977-1981 4 years 2nd worst president in American history

Clinton 1993-2001 8 years used office for monetary gain, lied about deficit covering it up with SS trust fund.


I am neither a republican nor a democrat. Looking at history for our economy republicans have always been better for growth and democrats have always been tax and spend.

You need to do your research on Regan, he is the one who signed into law not being able to use the SS trust fund to lower the deficit. This was later repealed during Bush I.

The big myth is Clinton left office with a surplus, he covered up the deficit with the SS trust fund notes. If you research this further you will also find that we have had a deficit ever since the end of WW I. We helped rebuild so many countries and the American people were promised to be paid back which never was.

Further research will also tell you that Regan allocated more money for AIDS than any president to date.

The time period where the largest % of Americans went into poverty was during the 20’s on into the 30’s. The fix was the worst plan ever devised, it sent our country on a road to bankruptcy.

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Originally Posted by rdynow

Let’s see:


Further research will also tell you that Regan allocated more money for AIDS than any president to date.

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Sorry dude, but when you make statements like that, you lose all credibility. I'm assuming you are 1) not gay, 2) too young to remember (btw: i fit this one too 3) didn't have friends that died left and right during the 80's.

The Reagan administration would say that they gave large sums of money towards Aids research. The truth is that any money that went towards fighting any virus, including the common cold they put into the category of fighting Aids. In reality he and administration did virtually nothing for Aids the first 7 years of his presidency. In fact it wasn't until October 1987 that Reagan publicly spoke about the Aids epidemic in a major policy address. Community education and prevention programs were routinely denied federal funding. Between June 1981 and May 1982 the cdc spent less than 1 million on AIDs but spent 9 million on Legionairres disease.

When Rock Hudson, a friend and colleague of Reagan and his family was diagnosed and died of AIDS, he still said nothing. At the 1986 centenary rededication of the statue of libert, Bob hope made a joke that the statue of liberty has AIDS but they don't know if she got it from Rock Hudson or the Staten Island Fairy. The French president and his wife were horrified. Ronald Reagan laughed his ass off. Disgusting.

The horible truth is that Aids was labled the gay cancer for many many years and that was fine with many conservatives including Reagan. It was after all God's plague to rid the world of homosexuals. Their inaction is what led millions and millions of homosexuals and heterosexual alike to aquire AIDS and die. To even insunate that Reagan was a Champion in the fight against AIDS let alone even an active fighter is an insult to the millions of gay men and women that lost friends and family due to his intentional neglect. That is Reagan's legacy in the eyes of the gay community.

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Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios

There is NO WAY I would ever vote for Hillary.

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You know Michael, that hurts her feelings. :)

Seriously though I am a big Hillary fan. She's not the most likable person, but you know what. Bush was elected because of his likability. I want someone that can actually get the job done. I believe she can and will.

Barack just scares the shit out of me. I believe he's the guy that the Republicans want to go up against. In fact Joe Scoborough confirmed that last night. I admit the Obama has skills. I love hearing him speak. I even get drunk on optimism of what this country could be when I hear him. Though, if we nominate him, I'm afraid we'll wake up from our drunken stooper in July and say 'shit' what were we thinking. We must have had our beer goggles on'.

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Originally Posted by djdez

Seriously though I am a big Hillary fan......... I want someone that can actually get the job done. I believe she can and will.

Barack just scares the shit out of me. I believe he's the guy that the Republicans want to go up against. In fact Joe Scoborough confirmed that last night.

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I totally agree.

Hillary has the connections and knowhow to step right in on day one and get to work, Obama doesn't and can't. Obama is a kick ass public speaker and inspiring, but during sit down interviews he doesn't come across as genuine to me at all. His wife stepping in during the beginning of campaigning and berating Hillary brought the campaigning to a new low as Bill had to step in and "defend" her. I think Obama realized his error as now his wife is never heard and rarely seen, and thankfully so... she's quite angry looking most the time.

Also Obamas whole photo op at church, in front of the cross, was just tacky as hell. $0.02

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Originally Posted by rdynow

Let’s see:

FDR 1933-1945 12 years the worst president in American history, started so many social programs, started to bankrupt the country.

Truman 1945-1953 8 years had no clue

JFK 1961-1963 2 years really a republican in democrat clothes

LBJ 1963-1969 6 years just a crook

Carter 1977-1981 4 years 2nd worst president in American history

Clinton 1993-2001 8 years used office for monetary gain, lied about deficit covering it up with SS trust fund.


I am neither a republican nor a democrat. Looking at history for our economy republicans have always been better for growth and democrats have always been tax and spend.

You need to do your research on Regan, he is the one who signed into law not being able to use the SS trust fund to lower the deficit. This was later repealed during Bush I.

The big myth is Clinton left office with a surplus, he covered up the deficit with the SS trust fund notes. If you research this further you will also find that we have had a deficit ever since the end of WW I. We helped rebuild so many countries and the American people were promised to be paid back which never was.

Further research will also tell you that Regan allocated more money for AIDS than any president to date.

The time period where the largest % of Americans went into poverty was during the 20’s on into the 30’s. The fix was the worst plan ever devised, it sent our country on a road to bankruptcy.

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Flunked history in high school I am guessing.

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Originally Posted by Squirt

I totally agree.

Hillary has the connections and knowhow to step right in on day one and get to work, Obama doesn't and can't. Obama is a kick ass public speaker and inspiring, but during sit down interviews he doesn't come across as genuine to me at all. His wife stepping in during the beginning of campaigning and berating Hillary brought the campaigning to a new low as Bill had to step in and "defend" her. I think Obama realized his error as now his wife is never heard and rarely seen, and thankfully so... she's quite angry looking most the time.

Also Obamas whole photo op at church, in front of the cross, was just tacky as hell. $0.02

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Its hard to speak at a church without standing in the shadow of the cross. It;s always positioned in the same place in almost every church with a cross

Obama's wife looks like an evil sorcerous

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Originally Posted by Mansized

Flunked history in high school I am guessing.

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I'm sorry you flunked history, it's a very exciting subject.

Could there be a brokered convention in both parties this year?

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Originally Posted by rdynow

Could there be a brokered convention in both parties this year?

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Well, in the Democrats for sure! But I think the Retardicans will finally find a real front runner.

No Kidding.... I am seriously wondering where this guy has learned US and World History.

Clearly not by reading any credible books, journalism, or govt data.

Economic comparison between Republican and Democratic presidential administrations from 1949 to 2005:

• Unemployment Rate- Republicans 6.0%, Democrats 5.2%
• Change In Unemployment Rate- Republicans +0.3%, Democrats -0.4%
• Growth of Multifactor Productivity- Republicans 0.9%, Democrats 1.7%
• Corporate Profits (share of GDP)- Republicans 8.8%, Democrats 10.2%
• Real Value of Dow Jones Index- Republicans 4.3%, Democrats 5.4%
(in logarithmic growth rates)- Republicans 2.8%, Democrats 4.4%
• Real Weekly Earnings- Republicans 0.3%, Democrats 1.0%
• CPI Inflation Rate- Republicans 3.8%, Democrats 3.8%

http://www.coba.unr.edu/econ/wp/pape...CONWP06008.pdf

Damn FACTS all to HELL!

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Originally Posted by rdynow

I'm sorry you flunked history, it's a very exciting subject.

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Very good comeback for a 16 year old!
You stats and definition of political & economic history of this country over the last 50 years are completely off.

You can't deny it..all you put up are juvenile statements which sounds like it is comming from a 16 year old.

Funny thing about statistics, leave one category out and it skews the report. The author of this paper leaves so many categories out it makes the report suspect. Look at the table he states in the beginning of the report. Before you believe everything in his report do the research. Stats do lie if you leave things out to make the final report come out the way you want it to.

Ok - you make wide, sweeping claims - calling Kennedy a republican, claiming that the democrats ruled the country for over 30 years before Americans "Came to thier senses" - and you reject all economic data presented you....

Without ever providing anything except your and Rush Limbaughs opinion.

I give up, you are ever so much smarter than I am. Go Romney!

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Originally Posted by shaun

calling Kennedy a republican

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Yeah! Despite that missle crisis thingy, we all know he was a communist!

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Originally Posted by SPACE GLIDER

Obama's wife looks like an evil sorcerous

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She sure does.

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Originally Posted by rdynow

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We have seen what the democrats can do when they control all 3 houses, they had it for something like 30 years before Americans woke up. Than they took over 2 houses (most recent election) and couldn’t do anything for a year or so except increase the minimum wage and add pork when they promised to get rid of it totally.

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Ahem. Couldn't do anything for a year because of obstructionist Rethuglicans.