adultrental.com is giving away my content for free

Today I'm killing time and checking my flock, and finding that www.adultrental.com is giving away free demos of my movies - not just 56K dialup free demos, but 5 different speeds of free demos!

I AM SO MAD!

Free demos is theft of content, theft of intellectual property, theft of copyright, and pirating!

If you are a producer selling your content on www.adultrental.com, you may or may not know that this is happening.

I've sent them a Cease and Desist e-mail, but of course it is a Saturday, and people like that who don't have to work for a living like us, are not attentive to customer service on weekends.

I've caught other VOD providers with free demo links on my movies' pages, and once they were shut off, my revenue increased.

www.adultrental.com better hope we don't have to sic Chad on their sorry ass.

Nick,
We do give away free membership like much of the other VOD sites.
Hotmovies.com
AEBN.net
And many others.
As you have given us the right to stream you content, we use the 15 min free to entice users to join the site and to drive traffic to your videos.
This is a form of marketing that is used to help you recive a return on the videos that you have submited.
If you did not submit your videos to us for streaming please contact

Paul@adultrental.com
or call him
416 532 1680 ex 32

It is only understandable that we would follow the same marketing practices that have been setforth since the begining of Adult VOD
the 15 min free is only for new users and is our form of a tour.

Nick- Lesson learned....make sure your contract specifies what the vendor can and cannot do with your content. We always include a clause that limits the type and amount of our content that can be used for trailers or promos without our written consent.

JayDeeZee Zip-a-dee-doo-dah zip-a-dee-ay


Read Titanmen's comment VERY closely... they are more successful than you.

You are wrong - treading upon studios by putting a flawed corporate strategy in place without consultation, advice and consent of the studios.

MBA degree programs do not teach gay porn. Never talk to a gay porn producer - or webmaster - in MBA speak.

You are wrong thinking and pretending that other VOD providers do as you are doing.

It is a very flawed psychology / psychological behavior to project your flawed strategies and behaviors onto much more successful companies...

Since you pay studios a smaller percentage of earned revenue, the studio is always going to be more important than you.

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Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

Nick,
We do give away free membership like much of the other VOD sites.
Hotmovies.com
AEBN.net
And many others.
As you have given us the right to stream you content, we use the 15 min free to entice users to join the site and to drive traffic to your videos.
This is a form of marketing that is used to help you recive a return on the videos that you have submited.
If you did not submit your videos to us for streaming please contact

Paul@adultrental.com
or call him
416 532 1680 ex 32

It is only understandable that we would follow the same marketing practices that have been setforth since the begining of Adult VOD
the 15 min free is only for new users and is our form of a tour.

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You did NOT read my post. You have free demo buttons on each movie moreinfo page. Not just ONE play demo button, but FOUR play demo buttons - from low speed to medium, high and Ultra 1!!!

With anything male in video - once you've given the customer a look at the male model's dick, there's no reason for the customer to pay for it! It's BEEN THERE, DONE IT, NEXT! Ever heard of the term "over exposed"? That's what happens every time a male model is shown - exposure, and there is a diminishing point of return for each and every time a male model is exposed to the same customer.

Today I learn that there is NOT one gay employee at AdultRental. No wonder! Giving away a male model's dick is NOT marketing - it is simply giving it away, for no benefit to anyone other than the mooching free porn surfer.

And, marketing comes with a cost. If you buy an ad in a magazine or on a website and pay for it, you can pay studios for free demos given to surfers. All free demo passes, or free plays of movies can be tracked... and the studio must be paid for all minutes that a movie is played.

Sebastian Sloane Productions has ceased activity with Gay Adult Rental due to this.
I sent an email to Morris, but of course he takes a year to reply to any email.

VOD Sources other than Adult Rental have tried the method of giving away FREE DICK. It does not work.

Again, I've said this before.... Why should someone pay when they can PREVIEW all of the free dick they want.

We do not EVER authorize anyone to give away free video preview clips without MY written permission. And since I do not give this permission away, they do not have a right to do this.

My lawyers have sent a cease and desist notice to FREE Adult Rental.

OOOOOOOOH This makes me hot!

My main focus with the site is converting traffic and assisting affiliates. Not so much dealing with studios.
With that being said, when it comes to sales and marketing techniques. We convert traffic on the "try before you buy" sales method. In general, people are skeptical of things they buy online. We feel that allowing our users to have 15 minutes free, we will gain their trust in our site.
Would you buy a car without doing a test drive?

Do you see other VOD Sources giving away free previews? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
AEBN is a better seller than Adult Rental. They are the Global VOD Provider.
How do you think they made it so big? Surely by not giving away free previews.

And I dont think we're talking about free 15 minutes. We're talking about the free previews on your website. You know, where they get to watch a free 1 minute clip OF DICK. And not to mention, the 1 minute rotates throughout the movie.

NO OTHER VOD SOURCE GIVES AWAY FREE PREVIEWS!

I sent a Cease and Desist email to you because YOU TOOK IT ON YOURSELF TO GIVE AWAY PREVIEWS!

Previews are good for membership sites. NOT VOD! :haha:

Whats so bad about using pictures?

Besides the fact, you offer thousands of videos in yoru VOD program. The consumer buys a package of minutes, whatever package. They can skim through the video and whatever, they can watch ONE MINUTE of a video and only lose like what a few pennys?

So I'm sorry, I'm not buying your "Car Test Drive" story one minute. It doesn't work in this theory.

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Originally Posted by SebSloPro

Do you see other VOD Sources giving away free previews? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
AEBN is a better seller than Adult Rental. They are the Global VOD Provider.
How do you think they made it so big? Surely by not giving away free previews.

And I dont think we're talking about free 15 minutes. We're talking about the free previews on your website. You know, where they get to watch a free 1 minute clip OF DICK. And not to mention, the 1 minute rotates throughout the movie.

NO OTHER VOD SOURCE GIVES AWAY FREE PREVIEWS!

I sent a Cease and Desist email to you because YOU TOOK IT ON YOURSELF TO GIVE AWAY PREVIEWS!

Previews are good for membership sites. NOT VOD! :haha:

Whats so bad about using pictures?

Besides the fact, you offer thousands of videos in yoru VOD program. The consumer buys a package of minutes, whatever package. They can skim through the video and whatever, they can watch ONE MINUTE of a video and only lose like what a few pennys?

So I'm sorry, I'm not buying your "Car Test Drive" story one minute. It doesn't work in this theory.

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AEBN may be the global provider, but who comes into a market with the exact same product as everyone else?

We tried do things a little different than them. We stream movies faster, we offer higher payouts at 35% for webmasters. We are the only VOD provider to offer $35pps.

However, I see your point. We're always working on improving our conversion ratios.
Thanks for the input.

BTW: I'm only getting a free preview of 15 seconds. Not 1 minute.

I suggest that you remove the free previews. Don't you realize that OUR statistics show that this method does not work??? Your statistics may show one thing, but ours show another.
I suggest listening to Nick.

Besides the 1 minute issue, which yes I did see one minute, my eyes and my computer doesn't lie. YOUR GIVING AWAY DICK SUCKING, ASS FUCKING, CUMSHOTS, AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF ADULT NATURE!
The above named is not shown just on my titles, BUT ALL OTHERS AS WELL.

Images are one thing, videos another.

I wouldn't be as upset if I made more than $20 from Adult Rental a month. Hell, I make quadruple that from a smaller VOD provider than you. But thats besides the point.

GET THE HINT AND PULL THE DAMN PREVIEWS OR LOSE MYSELF, AND I'M SURE OTHERS MIGHT FOLLOW NICK AND MYSELF. Just with Nick and I leaving, you would be short over 450 videos.

aebn gives these options to promote their theaters.

promo.aebn.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=promo.email&token=e9b1bbb02dceb53fe61ca19755aea234


Pay-per-view Minutes
10 Minutes
15 Minutes
30 Minutes

Streaming Rental
1 Free Rental

Download
1 Download
1 Download To Own

and they work.

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Originally Posted by SebSloPro

I suggest that you remove the free previews. Don't you realize that OUR statistics show that this method does not work??? Your statistics may show one thing, but ours show another.
I suggest listening to Nick.

Besides the 1 minute issue, which yes I did see one minute, my eyes and my computer doesn't lie. YOUR GIVING AWAY DICK SUCKING, ASS FUCKING, CUMSHOTS, AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF ADULT NATURE!
The above named is not shown just on my titles, BUT ALL OTHERS AS WELL.

Images are one thing, videos another.

I wouldn't be as upset if I made more than $20 from Adult Rental a month. Hell, I make quadruple that from a smaller VOD provider than you. But thats besides the point.

GET THE HINT AND PULL THE DAMN PREVIEWS OR LOSE MYSELF, AND I'M SURE OTHERS MIGHT FOLLOW NICK AND MYSELF. Just with Nick and I leaving, you would be short over 450 videos.

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Do you ever not have a problem with someone you do business with? You come to the boards every other week complaining about a business partner, perhaps it is you? This whole thread IMO never should have been brought to the boards, I feel this is something that could have been handled with simple email exchanges, with no need what-so-ever for either DMCA's or 'lawyers'.

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Originally Posted by deanb

Do you ever not have a problem with someone you do business with? You come to the boards every other week complaining about a business partner, perhaps it is you? This whole thread IMO never should have been brought to the boards, I feel this is something that could have been handled with simple email exchanges, with no need what-so-ever for either DMCA's or 'lawyers'.

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Well said.

Out of the hundreds of studios that we deal with, you are the first to have an issue with the 12-15 second preview clips.

If you found a 1 minute clip, it's an error please send me the link. I'll see about getting it removed.

We don't produce the videos, if you see a hot clip that would make a great promo or teaser (without showing dick) please flag it for us. We warmly welcome any studio recomended clips or tralers.

We thank you for your input and we have put the free preview clips under review.

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Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

Out of the hundreds of studios that we deal with, you are the first to have an issue with the 12-15 second preview clips.

If you found a 1 minute clip, it's an error please send me the link. I'll see about getting it removed.

We don't produce the videos, if you see a hot clip that would make a great promo or teaser (without showing dick) please flag it for us. We warmly welcome any studio recomended clips or tralers.

We thank you for your input and we have put the free preview clips under review.

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Honestly, I don't think a 15 second review clip is that big of a deal. MGPs have been giving them away for years, and tube sites have surfers used to much longer clips. To me, its perfectly acceptable to give away some of the content as a preview. Just my opinion though.

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Originally Posted by deanb

Honestly, I don't think a 15 second review clip is that big of a deal. MGPs have been giving them away for years, and tube sites have surfers used to much longer clips. To me, its perfectly acceptable to give away some of the content as a preview. Just my opinion though.

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I agree totally.

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Originally Posted by deanb

Honestly, I don't think a 15 second review clip is that big of a deal. MGPs have been giving them away for years, and tube sites have surfers used to much longer clips. To me, its perfectly acceptable to give away some of the content as a preview. Just my opinion though.

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Um, wasn't he saying they were giving 15 minute clips?

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

Um, wasn't he saying the were giving 15 minute clips?

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He said they were one minute clips, the guy from adultrental said they were 15 second clips.

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Originally Posted by deanb

He said they were one minute clips, the guy from adultrental said they were 15 second clips.

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Ah ok, my mistake. Who worries about a 15 second clip?... seems pretty ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

Ah ok, my mistake. Who worries about a 15 second clip?... seems pretty ridiculous.

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A 15 sec clip? DOn't blink too fast when you watch it. Don't want to miss something.

Sry. Still having issues with these new contacts. Takes me more than 15 sec to focus on something.

In defense...

I am now able to masturbate to relief in only 15 seconds.

Sucks for my sex life, but great for free porn on AdultRental.

:smoke:

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Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios

In defense...

I am now able to masturbate to relief in only 15 seconds.

Sucks for my sex life, but great for free porn on AdultRental.

:smoke:

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Flacid to cumming in 15 seconds, dude your talented! Make a video and try to sell it on adultrental. Lol.

In all seriousness, my videos aren't on adult rental, but I will be in contact with them to get them up. Although I don't have 450 titles to put up, I am sure they will generate some revenue.

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Originally Posted by deanb

Honestly, I don't think a 15 second review clip is that big of a deal. MGPs have been giving them away for years, and tube sites have surfers used to much longer clips. To me, its perfectly acceptable to give away some of the content as a preview. Just my opinion though.

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Dean, is YOUR content being given away for free on AdultRental or others...?

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Originally Posted by abostonboy

A 15 sec clip? DOn't blink too fast when you watch it. Don't want to miss something.

Sry. Still having issues with these new contacts. Takes me more than 15 sec to focus on something.

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You are missing the point - the 15 seconds is random every click... therefore a free porn moocher can click the free demo 100 times and see most of the movie clip.

If Zipadeedoodah was committed to customer service, he 1) would ask for the cooperation of the copyright holders in executing such a plan before being an MBA ass and wave the contract like a bull fighters' cape, and/or 2) make the previews be static, non-random, and at the very least pick 10 seconds from a section of the clip where no oral/anal action is occurring, or ask the copyright holder to suggest such a 10 second range.

The issue here is the sanctity of the rights of the copyright holder.

And if you disagree, read your AVN daily news email today, with the court ruling against RapidShare (yeah!) then look in the mirror.

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Originally Posted by putosperros

aebn gives these options to promote their theaters.

promo.aebn.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=promo.email&token=e9b1bbb02dceb53fe61ca19755aea234


Pay-per-view Minutes
10 Minutes
15 Minutes
30 Minutes

Streaming Rental
1 Free Rental

Download
1 Download
1 Download To Own

and they work.

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According to my (very pretty) AEBN rep, who frequents this forum, AEBN pays its studios for freebies given to customers.

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Originally Posted by nickbaer

Dean, is YOUR content being given away for free on AdultRental or others...?

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Not on adult rental its not, but I will send them some stuff and they can make all the 15 second clips they desire. Its really not a big deal. I have posted my own stuff on tubes, even as far as posting a full 25 minute scene to tube sites as well as to torrents and rapidshare. No surfer will get off to a 15 second clip. Also with all of the free tubes out there, the fact that the surfer even watches a 15 second clip on adultrental shows that he is interested in and probably is willing to pull out his card when he finds something he likes.

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Originally Posted by deanb

Not on adult rental its not, but I will send them some stuff and they can make all the 15 second clips they desire. Its really not a big deal. I have posted my own stuff on tubes, even as far as posting a full 25 minute scene to tube sites as well as to torrents and rapidshare. No surfer will get off to a 15 second clip. Also with all of the free tubes out there, the fact that the surfer even watches a 15 second clip on adultrental shows that he is interested in and probably is willing to pull out his card when he finds something he likes.

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Then your posts are non-involved, non-experienced opinions.

It IS a big deal, 1) because you have not experienced a VOD pay portal giving your copyrighted content away without your design consent, therefore your opinion(s) is not given from experience, and 2) my experience is that when a VOD pay portal gives away my copyrighted content, my revenues decrease.

Your analogies of a YouTube clip to drive traffic to your member site is not analogous. Your "opinion" comparing YouTube to AdultRental.com is not a valid comparison, they are two vastly different entities, with different purposes.

A similar situation happened to me on a similar pay per view site... when the free demo started without consultation, my revenues halved... when I demanded that the free demos be stopped, my revenues doubled (from the pre-free demo period).

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Then your posts are non-involved, non-experienced opinions.

It IS a big deal, 1) because you have not experienced a VOD pay portal giving your copyrighted content away without your design consent, therefore your opinion(s) is not given from experience, and 2) my experience is that when a VOD pay portal gives away my copyrighted content, my revenues decrease.

Your analogies of a YouTube clip to drive traffic to your member site is not analogous. Your "opinion" comparing YouTube to AdultRental.com is not a valid comparison, they are two vastly different entities, with different purposes.

A similar situation happened to me on a similar pay per view site... when the free demo started without consultation, my revenues halved... when I demanded that the free demos be stopped, my revenues doubled (from the pre-free demo period).

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I wasn't referring to youtube, there are tube sites that are just for porn.

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Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios

In defense...

I am now able to masturbate to relief in only 15 seconds.

Sucks for my sex life, but great for free porn on AdultRental.

:smoke:

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HUGH? Really?

I let the domain 30secondwonders.com expire. I was going to create an AEN site with it.

damn, you're good! i can't even get my zipper and pants down in 15 seconds :D

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Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios

In defense...

I am now able to masturbate to relief in only 15 seconds.

Sucks for my sex life, but great for free porn on AdultRental.

:smoke:

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Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios

In defense...

I am now able to masturbate to relief in only 15 seconds.

Sucks for my sex life, but great for free porn on AdultRental.

:smoke:

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Thanks, that'll make a great new story :morning:

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damn, you're good! i can't even get my zipper and pants down in 15 seconds :D

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I can't even figure out how to open the lube!

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Originally Posted by gaystoryman

Thanks, that'll make a great new story :morning:

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Where is minusonebit. Tell him and the AP will pick it up!

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Originally Posted by nickbaer

According to my (very pretty) AEBN rep, who frequents this forum, AEBN pays its studios for freebies given to customers.

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Really?

I'm a studio there and I do not receive compensation if someone takes advantage of the free 15-minute promos I offer. It's only if they purchase time that I make money.

I'll definitely email my rep today and point him to this thread.

I just read through everything on this forum from begining to now.

I get along with farely everyone. And ya, I do try to get along with everyone.

The huge problem I had with Adult Rental before I pulled my studio is that they were giving away:
Dick Sucking
Ass Fucking
Cum Shots

The money maker stuff.

The free minute promo tools that AEBN offers affiliates I really don't have a problem with that because they do convert. And I do make WAY more than $20 a month from them.

The problem that I do have is when they give away the free previews. And instead of working with us to try and fix things, instead they'd rather toss their college degrees in our face. They wouldn't even talk with me or give me the time of day to talk things through.
NOBODY else gives away free dick previews.

We're not talking about the promo tools like a free 15 minutes, they're giving away previews OF EVERYTHING. And not only that, but it rotates through the video. One minute you may see 14 seconds here, then 14 seconds there, then 14 seconds there of the video. And it's like that on every video.

Pam, the promos used are found in your manufacturer pay. Talk to your rep, they'll explain. I didn't understand it until Trevor and Chris talked to me about it.

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Originally Posted by nickbaer

You are missing the point - the 15 seconds is random every click... therefore a free porn moocher can click the free demo 100 times and see most of the movie clip.

If Zipadeedoodah was committed to customer service, he 1) would ask for the cooperation of the copyright holders in executing such a plan before being an MBA ass and wave the contract like a bull fighters' cape, and/or 2) make the previews be static, non-random, and at the very least pick 10 seconds from a section of the clip where no oral/anal action is occurring, or ask the copyright holder to suggest such a 10 second range.

The issue here is the sanctity of the rights of the copyright holder.

And if you disagree, read your AVN daily news email today, with the court ruling against RapidShare (yeah!) then look in the mirror.

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For the sake of expediency, we don't ask studios to suggest a starting range for each and every movie they send in.

Jay Dee Doo... YOU SAID ON ICQ Monday that they do rotate, Paul also said they rotate. I've seen that they rotate!

The clip is static and does not rotate through the movie.

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Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

The clip is static and does not rotate through the movie.

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That's not a true statement, ZipADeeDooDah...

Paul from your management told me verbally on the phone Monday, repeatedly, that the clip is random... he stated that in the context that AVR can't control the in and out point, the webpage script randomly picks 10 seconds, when I complained that you purposely pick the moneyshot.

The bottom line is that AVR is the lowest performing revenue portal of my 10 revenue portals, and your comments and actions underlie that.