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Currently it's at 92% of the vote counted.
52% to ban Gay marriage.
48% to allow Gay marriage.
However votes in Florida, Arizona, and Arkansas are already counted and November 4th brought the following changes in those states:
In Florida today Gay marriage is now illegal
In Arizona today Gay marriage is now illegal
In Arkansas today it is now illegal for homosexuals to adopt children or become foster parents.
I have every confidence that the new Democracy Obama brings will put an end to this discrimination. I really do believe this.
Oh dear...
I never understand how society can move backwards.
It makes me very, very sad.
Obama has already said that he believes that the Prop 8 movement was a negative one, so here's hoping that you are right and he moves for change.
it's about education. the less quality education we have, the less actual thinking people do and the more they follow the church or ignorance. it also seems like less education means more "us vs them" mentality, which means less belief in rights for "the other guy", regardless of who that might be :(
very sad, and i'm hoping that gay marriage bans are found unconstitutional at some point.
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Originally Posted by Maryflixxx
It is disappointing but I'm extremely hopeful and uplifted by Obama being elected president.
You can see his video response to prop 8 here. I really think our new Democracy will give the Gay community full rights. I truly believe this. :broccoli:
This is my hope as well and Obama, being a previous Harvard grad and constitutional law professor, is against prop 8. This is very promising as are his constant reminders in speeches about our "Gay brothers and sisters" etc. I truly feel good things are coming our way :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
I can't help but be reminded of states ratifying their constitutions in the past regarding slavery and interracial marriage, then being federally forced to stop discrimination.
I see it as two steps forward and one step back. Baby steps... We'll get there. Maybe even in this lifetime :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maryflixxx
Isn't the constitution suppose to give rights to people, not take them away? I really think they will be found unconstitutional.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
It ain't over....
http://www.noonprop8.com/headlines/results-status/
Roughly 400,000 votes separate yes from no on Prop 8 – out of 10 million votes tallied.
Based on turnout estimates reported yesterday, we expect that there are more than 3 million and possibly as many as 4 million absentee and provisional ballots yet to be counted.
Given that fundamental rights are at stake, we must wait to hear from the Secretary of State tomorrow how many votes are yet to be counted as well as where they are from.
It is clearly a very close election and we monitored the results all evening and this morning.
As of this point, the election is too close to call.
Because Prop 8 involves the sensitive matter of individual rights, we believe it is important to wait until we receive further information about the outcome.
Even if it does pass, we've taken it to the courts and won before, we'll do it again.
This isn't over until we win it.
You can slow us down but you can't KEEP us down.
how is the obama presidency going to end this exactly?
given that some dems have given reasoning against banning gay marriage in the constitution that states should themselves decide.
the states voted no, florida especially where 60% are needed for anything to pass is at 62% to ban ... the reality is reality. You can't make people accept something they won't. And if you do force it on them they end up hating you.
Exit polls for florida:
53% of 18-29/52% of 18-24 year olds in florida voted yes to ban
65% of 30-44 year olds voted yes and it goes up from there
56% of moderates also voted yes
71% of african americans voted yes
only white evangelicals voted more than them at 86% yes
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#FLI01p1
AND there are MANY gays who are not pro gay marriage for a variety of reasons. I think it was something like 30% in the 2004 elections. I read an analysis somewhere I think it was in 2004 where many gays thought marriage was something straight people do and to them gay people marring was like trying to be (like) straight people
Kind of like forcing all-white schools to accept black kids and whites-only businesses to cater to black customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jIgG
It is painful at first, but time heals and it gets better.
Um... they ALREADY hate us.. it's why they did this to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by jIgG
The constitution is meant to protect minorities, not the majority. If this amendment were to stand then the people could also vote to make it illegal for disabled people to marry non-disabled people, or that only people of the same race could marry each other.
If we let citizens vote on rights like these then we’d still have states where interracial marriage was illegal! That’s why we have constitutions…to protect the minority from the majority.
Sexual orientation is a “protected class” in the state of California. You cannot take away only the rights of a protected class without a compelling state interest. Religion is not a compelling state interest. A revision to the state constitution, which this is, requires a 2/3 majority vote in the house and senate before it can go to the people for a vote. This will never pass the house and senate as they were the ones that legalized same sex marriage in the first place.
This is far from over!
Please feel free to pass this on to your surfers or add a link to it on your blogs.
http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=239241
Thanks
Actually... you can!Quote:
Originally Posted by jIgG
It was proven by the disbanding of the Jim Crowe laws that enforced segregation on the statement that "you can't make people accept blacks". That was struck down, and ever since society has evened out in the US (except for the backwoods rednecks, but that gets back to Basschicks point about education).
In Canada, gay marriage is legal. If it went to vote in the populace, I guarantee that it would not pass. But this is a human rights issue, not a personal belief issue and the Supreme Court recognized the inherent discrimination of such bans.
It was a kafuffle for all of a month. Now... 5 years later, no one even thinks about it anymore here. It is a non-issue.
Do the religious groups agree with it? No! Does it affect them? No! Are they wasting time daily on this issue? No!
The sky did not fall down. Nothing really changed.
Churches are not forced to marry gay couples (that would also be discriminatory) but they are allowed to if they want to.
You can legisate morality - there may be some short term backlash (as in the 60s when white schools were opened to brave black students), but in the end the issue simply disappears as long as the government is brave enough to let it.
Just my two cents...
last I head it was a YEs on prop 8. seriously hoping gobama will bring a change to these laws!
We forced slave owners to give up their slaves. They hated us for it, but it was the right thing to do. Now most people couldn't imagine a society where people owned slaves and it was legal, and considered the right thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by jIgG
In case you missed this:
Legal Papers Claim Initiative Procedure Cannot Be Used To Undermine the Constitution's Core Commitment To Equality For Everyone
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: media@aclu.org
SAN FRANCISCO – The American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights filed a writ petition before the California Supreme Court today urging the court to invalidate Proposition 8 if it passes. The petition charges that Proposition 8 is invalid because the initiative process was improperly used in an attempt to undo the constitution's core commitment to equality for everyone by eliminating a fundamental right from just one group – lesbian and gay Californians. Proposition 8 also improperly attempts to prevent the courts from exercising their essential constitutional role of protecting the equal protection rights of minorities. According to the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.
The California Constitution itself sets out two ways to alter the document that sets the most basic rules about how state government works. Through the initiative process, voters can make relatively small changes to the constitution. But any measure that would change the underlying principles of the constitution must first be approved by the legislature before being submitted to the voters. That didn't happen with Proposition 8, and that's why it's invalid.
"If the voters approved an initiative that took the right to free speech away from women, but not from men, everyone would agree that such a measure conflicts with the basic ideals of equality enshrined in our constitution. Proposition 8 suffers from the same flaw – it removes a protected constitutional right – here, the right to marry – not from all Californians, but just from one group of us," said Jenny Pizer, a staff attorney with Lambda Legal. "That's too big a change in the principles of our constitution to be made just by a bare majority of voters."
"A major purpose of the constitution is to protect minorities from majorities. Because changing that principle is a fundamental change to the organizing principles of the constitution itself, only the legislature can initiate such revisions to the constitution," added Elizabeth Gill, a staff attorney with the ACLU of Northern California.
The groups filed the lawsuit today in the California Supreme Court on behalf of Equality California and 6 same-sex couples who did not marry before Tuesday's election but would like to be able to marry now.
The groups filed a writ petition in the California Supreme Court before the elections presenting similar arguments because they believed the initiative should not have appeared on the ballot, but the court dismissed that petition without addressing its merits. That earlier order is not precedent here.
"Historically, courts are reluctant to get involved in disputes if they can avoid doing so," said Shannon Minter, Legal Director of NCLR. "It is not uncommon for the court to wait to see what happens at the polls before considering these legal arguments. However, now that Proposition 8 may pass, the courts will have to weigh in and we believe they will agree that Proposition 8 should never have been on the ballot in the first place."
This would not be the first time the court has struck down an improper voter initiative. In 1990, the court stuck down an initiative that would have added a provision to the California Constitution stating that the "Constitution shall not be construed by the courts to afford greater rights to criminal defendants than those afforded by the Constitution of the United States." That measure was invalid because it improperly attempted to strip California's courts of their role as independent interpreters of the state's constitution.
In a statement issued earlier today, the groups stated their conviction, which is shared by the California Attorney General, that the state must continue to honor the marriages of the 18,000 lesbian and gay couples who have already married in California.
A copy of the statement is available at: http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/relationshi...s20081105.html.
A copy of the writ petition filed today is available at: http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/relationshi...l20081105.html.
In addition to the ACLU, Lambda Legal and NCLR, the legal team bringing the writ also includes the Law Office of David C. Codell; Munger Tolles & Olson, LLP; and Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe, LLP.
This is a personal post from me:
I am excited about Obama. I voted for Him, that is always a bonus when the guy you vote for wins!
I also voted NO on Prop. 8 in California. It passed. I got this one wrong. The sad thing is I knew before Tuesday that this was going to be a hard one to defeat despite the money I gave along with thousands of others to the VOTE NO ON 8 campaign. I have to say I am feeling a bit guilty and selfish, despite my personal efforts to help get the word out to vote NO on 8, I was married on Monday. It was one of the happiest days of my life, but yet it is a bit tarnished despite the fact that I knew deep inside I had to move up my wedding date because of an election.
Sad.
I this will work out in the end. It always does. "Yes We Can"