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Here's a question for the pros...
I have created a free site with four separate galleries containing 15 pics each, right.
I believe it was Bec's Blog (forgive me if I am wrong) where I read something about submitting them to a AVS/AES, correct?
If so, what AVS/AES do you recommend?
Do I submit the whole free site or just the individual gallerie pages?
Thanks - Jay
ugas still pays ;)
A free site can actually be two galleries, though some free site link list owners may demand more images.
The short version of how to work the gallery process to your best advantage is:
1. Make a single gallery that gets submitted to the tgp's on monday, do another on tuesday, then again on wednesday and again on thursday
2. once you have 2 galleries available on Tuesday (the one you made Monday and the one you make on Tuesday) make the two pages (index with the warning stuff, then the main page with your extra upsell links and the links to the 2 galleries) that preceed the galleries and submit the url to free site linklists. Repeat this on Thursday with the wed/thurs single galleries.
3. On friday bundle up the four galleries and create an avs site and submit it.
4. Go have a beer.
5. Use the weekend to party or setup your post schedule for your blogs, paysites, etc.
6. The following Monday -- rinse and repeat.
Of course you can speed up the volume of galleries available by doing more than one per day, but you get the idea. It's also best to keep each free site and avs site in the same niche. IE: don't mix up a gallery for twinks with another one for bears.
x0pa...thanks for the heads up.
Bec...when you get a chance do you think you could take a look at a free site I created? I would really love your input.
Thanks for the info...I'm embarrassed to say that I read your info from your blog, but couldn't remember where I read it, DUH!
The URL is: http://gaypornfreesites.com/gay_anal_abuse/index.htm
Thanks
Ok, let's go down the checklist:
These are in place (excellent by the way!)
meta keywords and description on all pages
text on index reusing the keywords
RTA meta code
alt text on banner links
warning text on iframe (or on an image)
thumbs good size
images good size and file weight is good
each gallery page is for one content set, and not mixed up
consistency in niche presented
Larger font used for ENTER -- and this is the ONLY major correction I have for you: change Enter to read Enter Gay Anal Abuse
Two other minor corrections:
You can add 3 text links onto your home.htm page across the footer. Two should go to other free sites, and the middle one should go to your "hub" site. This gets things in place to create a circle jerk with your free sites.
The other is to remove the "home, next gallery" navigation links. Make them back browser to get the link for the next gallery. It puts your ads and links of the home.htm page into their face up to 4 times instead of just once. It also saves you bandwidth as most guys don't/won't view every gallery.
For a newbie free site creator-- you've have done very well!
Bec...
Thanks so much for the critique. I am printing up your suggestions as we speak so I can get them done today. I wanted to make sure I had a good template to base the rest of my freesites on. After I submit them I am going to add them to my site: gaypornfreesites.com.
I am also going to add Luke's free sites to this site to fatten it up.
Thanks so much for your incredible help!
Jay:hugs:
Nice grab for your hub site domain name! And glad to help you ... and if you don't understand 'why' I suggest something (and that's anyone reading here too) - please ASK! You'll do much better with marketing if you understand why you do certain things to achieve results.
your thumbs in the gallery page load the full size image not a thumbnail..
I see square thumbs that go to a larger image. Can you be more specific on which gallery page (or pages) are loading full size images for the thumbs?
Oh I see what you mean. He isn't making actual thumbs -- just reducing the large image via the html.
Ok Jay -- make REAL thumbs!
http://gaypornfreesites.com/gay_anal.../gallery_2.htm
those thumbs dont have sized thumbnails guess it doesnt matter really just load times perhaps
It would eliminate the distortion -- and as you mentioned, the load time AND the bandwidth usage would be affected. (to the positive)
Thanks Bec & x0pa...I have a bunch of thumb creators and well, duh, didn't think to use them.
Did you see that? It was one of my few brain cells flying around my head. I'll see if I can catch it. LOL.
Just replaced the thumbs and WOW! Thanks for the heads-up!:bouncing:
Global Male Pass is still around, but they dropped their price from $23.95 to $4.95. Webmasters earn 100% of the first sale and $2.00 on rebills, so a $4.95 commission is hardly worth the time it would take to make a site.
UGAS is still around. I just submitted six galleries to them about a month ago. I got nothing out of it. I think I might have gotten two sales to my sponsor and no sales for UGAS. And surprisingly and disappointedly, the traffic I got from UGAS was pitiful.
Mancheck still sells best for me, although not the way they used to. Still they are my second biggest sponsor. Mancheck has moved away from the $19.95 yearly membership to a monthly membership, which gives webmasters more earning potential.
If you need help getting set up with Mancheck, let me know. If you can use the referral code above when you sign up, it'll earn me a commission and I'm happy to help you get your site set up.
Michael
oh yea - loads in much faster now, and they don't look as distorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxx68
Thanks for the useful info. Do you have any detail about how much the users are charged (including x-sells, pre-checked stuffs, automatic rebills and stuffs like that)? I remember I stopped using AVS and AES when I realized how much they charged (thanks to almost hidden pre-checked x-sells) customers. Maybe now they are charging a little less or switched just to a no x-sells business model.Quote:
Originally Posted by dzinerbear
Mancheck changed from the yearly model to a monthly one. They used to charge $19.95 for a year and give the member 7-days free access to MancheckPlus Video, on the eighth day, it would convert to a full membership and they'd be rebilled for $39.95. UGAS's membership structure is pretty much the same.
A few months ago, Mancheck scrapped the yearly membership and now offer $19.95 monthly recurring and $29.95 one month, non recurring. They don't do the 7-day free access and upgrade to $39.95 any more.
GMP does $4.95 initial monthly and gives the surfer one week free of their VIP membership, then $39.95 on the eighth day.
I just noticed that GMP is still running the same videos on their home and join page. Who wants to sell them anyway? Webmasters used to make $23.95 on a sale, now they make $4.95.
UGAS's traffic is way down. I put six galleries up as a test over a month ago and made nothing.
Mancheck still sells consistently for me.
When I used to submit to AVS sites, I mainly used them for getting traffic and sales to my sponsors. I made only minimal on the actual commissions from sales to the AVS itself, that wasn't my goal. But sales were consistent and at a good ratio - after all, you are targeting surfers that have already demonstrated their willingness to pay for porn (pay for the avs membership) plus they obviously have a credit card or some method to pay. Those two points alone make AVS traffic convert brilliantly.
Michael (and all others), what is your recent experience with that? I stopped submitting a couple years ago due to lack of time, but I am considering it again if the traffic and up-sale ability are still there.
Having actually worked for an AVS, I can tell you that they developed ways of dealing with people like you, Luke. :)
For instance, they could approve you site, but not list in the search engine. So if you make a sale, you'll get a commission, but no one going to the AVS will actually find you.
AVS's were constantly having to adjust their rules and operating practices because wm's were always coming up with tricks. For instance, one game to make more money was to take your UGAS hub and suddenly flip the whole thing to Mancheck, all that UGAS traffic would suddenly buy a Mancheck membership.
Likewise, when paysites started to emerge, paysite owner were submitting galleries not to sell AVS memberships, but just to get traffic. So AVS had to adjust: no watermarked pics, no banners on the tour, only so many banners on the inside ... blah blah blah.
The best way to work AVS and get the most from it is to be interested in selling an AVS membership. If you work with the AVS and not against it, you'll get more from them. They'll list you in their search engine, they may even rank your sites higher if they are good and look like they'll actually sell members, they may even bump up your commission. They may approve your sites last so they sit at the top of the "new" list; they may even keep them in the "new" list for a couple of days. You may not have to pay wire fees and you may qualify for bonuses for reaching certain thresholds.
Likewise, link lists got tired of wm's creating an AVS site and mirroring it with 3 or 4 services and trying to submit them all, so LLs came up with rules about that.
Luke, you know I'm partial to Mancheck, but I'm really not bullshitting here. I stopped promoting GMP because they dropped their membership (and wm payout) to $4.95. That just not worth it.
I submitted six UGAS galleries about a month ago and got about 400 clicks from UGAS, I used to get thousands. I didn't sell any UGAS memberships, and I think I only sold 2 Butch Dixon memberships (on six galleries, that's pretty bad).
Mancheck still does okay for me, not as well as it used to, but I'm also not submitting galleries like I used to. I do sell upsells as well. It's kind of hard to tell where they're coming from though because I have stuff all over the place, and more and more lately, CCBills reports give you n/a instead of the referring URL. But I do notice when I submit galleries to Mancheck that sales for certain sponsors take a jump.
If you're just going to use the AVS as a traffic syphon, they'll approve your site (maybe) and make you disappear.
Aha, this all makes sense now. And that's prolly why i ended up stopping with AVS sites all together as their traffic dropped off.
Its kind of sad that they did this, its strangling off their own free content suppliers and less webmasters using the system means less publicity, less memberships, etc. Its a negative spiral. When I was doing AVS I maintained my own site directories and those got pretty good search engine traffic. Combine that with the listings in the AVS system's directories, and I had a nice stream of sales to both the avs system itself and to my sponsors.
But yeah I remember seeing a huge drop in sales, probably when they changed their systems and made me "disappear". And now they lost some sales and loads of content for their members.
These tactics I talked about evolved over years, they just didn't happen over night.
And I hear what you're saying, but what is an AVS to do when it's being inundating with site owners (or their workers) who are only interested in selling their own products and not the AVS. They can't just let site owners bleed them dry, that pisses off AVS members who are getting less and less content and more and more click here for more type of stuff.
It's like if I constantly did posts with Anal Discipline content, but suggested the surfers buy an HDK Fisting membership. What would you do?
If you want AVS traffic, you've got to play a game.
Michael, I understand what you are saying, but in hindsight, I think that they MAY have evolved the wrong way. Maybe the preferred route would have been like what tube sites are doing now, provide an upsell to a mega DVD download area and work WITH affiliate programs to provide limited exclusive content with upsells to the appropriate program, perhaps even working with programs and using their own upsell linking codes.
Of course, like I said, this is in hindsight, so I really don't know what could have happened if they went that route.
I get what you're saying ... I think one of the problem with AVS was they were some of the first in the biz and made millions. But didn't really keep up with where the biz was going and didn't evolve appropriately.
I have a headache...
I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but sometimes I have to wonder if all of this is set up so just a few folks can make any money. (Present company excluded, of course!)
I learn visually and would be more than happy to pay if somebody came up with a comprehensive manual with PICTURES (lol) showing someone like me exactly what to do.
I have been visiting industry forums for awhile and you get bits of info here, bits of info there, then something changes just as you are learning it....AHHHH!
I think sponsors would want to come up with a "guidebook" or "manual" for their affiliates detailing ways to promote efficiently and profitably. I think this would be a win/win for everyone.
Just my 2cents, and now I need my medicine...