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in view of this proposed new law, we would need to have i.d. for all models on hand with the places that that model's pics are shown.

of programs who post here, i have content from pridebucks, intensecash, topbucks - maybe others, but those i am sure of. i have no i.d. for any of this content, although i do have custodial info. but i have no i.d. for any of those programs' content.

so how about it, program reps and owners? will we have i.d. provided for the models? and i believe it refers to banners as well, since they have images...

Good question. As I operate a site with an ample amount of sponsor content. And a lot of it not even the standard sets in hosted galleries or free content available on the affiliate program website.

Suffice to say, an ample amount of record keeping/exchanging would be required!

And... what of TGPs? Has this law completely erased any possible legality in owning and operating a TGP? How on earth are they supposed to get all that? No more thumbnails? All text links so there's nothing but text on the TGP itself, linking through to galleries hosted elsewhere and thus no longer within the realm of the TGP owner's responsibility?

Know what I mean, Vern?

don't forget banners - mostly they have photographs on them.

it might eradicate thumbnail preview tgps, although perhaps lawyers will find that it is legal to have a thumbnail preview tgp if only faces are shown, no penetration, nudity or cumshots. as far as text tgps, i can't see why it would affect them more than any other website...

you really think that content providers are going to start giving out the personal info of every model to anyone that spent $5 on a set of pics?

Suggest waiting to see if law is passed, and it it is, expect huge changes on the licensing of content . . . . just my $.02

Basschick we are already speaking to our lawyers about this :)

Should have some solid info for you within the next few days :)

Obviously as the majority of the free content we give to our affiliates is exclusive to us we are in a slightly better position than some other affiliate programs but you are right to be concerned just as we were when this law was passed.

Regards,

Lee

Yes Basschick,

Our lawyers on are on it as well.

The vast majority of our content is shot in house so in the event this is passed into law, we will be in a position to provide our webmasters what they need to be able to use it with confidence and compliance.

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you really think that content providers are going to start giving out the personal info of every model to anyone that spent $5 on a set of pics?

Suggest waiting to see if law is passed, and it it is, expect huge changes on the licensing of content . . . . just my $.02

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There are many more questions then answers at this point but as far as content providers are concerned, I know all sets purchased from us at BoyContent.com already come with the required documentaion.
The same can be said for MaxPixels and Ounique. BoyContent & MaxPixels (and I don't know about Ounique but knowing what a stand-up guy Don is, I'm willing to venture this includes them also), to protect the model's privacy, we block out the models address and other non-compliant requred personal information.

harlan, if we wait till the law is passed till sponsors decide what to do, people will go to jail. once it's passed, i believe there won't be any waiting time as this IS the waiting time. i figure it is likely to pass since it does not impede free speech.

baddog, most of the content providers i buy from provide i.d. including rockbottomcontent, maxpixels, bargainbasementcontent and ounique. also pixmasters is currently putting together all the i.d.s from their disks to give to webmasters who have bought their content.

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harlan, if we wait till the law is passed till sponsors decide what to do, people will go to jail. once it's passed, i believe there won't be any waiting time as this IS the waiting time. i figure it is likely to pass since it does not impede free speech.

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Basschick: within a few hours of learning the news, we were on the phone to our lawyers. No one is suggesting waiting until the law is passed but I do think it's reasonable to allow sponsors a few days to get consul from our lawyers after all, we face the same risks you do. I'm sure all sponsors who offer free content will make their positions clealry known as soon as we have heard from our lawyers and can make informed decisions.

ive always provided copies of ID along with Model Release & other relevant info. of course the model's details are blocked out. i do get a lot of content from other places tho that dont block out the model's private info. that in itself is very dangerous, and if this new law passes, im sure we'll see more stupidity like that...

harlan - of course! i was referring to your earlier comment. no one wants sponsors to make a decision without their attorneys - that would help no one :-(

dawgy - that was a concern to me. i also have i.d. with the models' full addresses and that worries me. on the other hand, how much can one legally deface an i.d. before it is no longer valid in court as birth date verification? i used to have a club/bar manager license, and we were told back then that any defacement of i.d. invalidated it...

but having a bunch of guys stalk the models, or having the models' addresses given to strangers who happen to be webmasters isn't good, either. hopefully the models will start to all get p.o. boxes :-/

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but having a bunch of guys stalk the models, or having the models' addresses given to strangers who happen to be webmasters isn't good, either. hopefully the models will start to all get p.o. boxes :-/

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lol... 90% of models cant even spell their own name, u think theyll get a pobox? surely the privacy laws will allow us to block out their address & phone number on a copy of an ID? as long as the producer retains an unmodified copy?

at some point, one of the two laws has to give in to the other... we cannot be forced to comply with both, because that would be impossible. how do u not violate privacy laws, without modifying the id?

dale, don't forget - this is an election year. they don't care about the models rights or privacy, and cp is probably not their biggest concern - being re-elected is. otherwise we'd have a well-thought out law - one that finally truly protects against cp in realistic ways.

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dale, don't forget - this is an election year. they don't care about the models rights or privacy, and cp is probably not their biggest concern - being re-elected is. otherwise we'd have a well-thought out law - one that finally truly protects against cp in realistic ways.

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so true. *sigh*

im in ontario right now, and lemme tell ya, i think i may just leave the US if bush gets another term.

I think the best hope is that this all drags out long enough, GWB loses the Nov election and proposed regulation changes from a lame duck administration get left by the wayside.

here's hopin! *crosses fingers*

I am curious, operating outside of the USA in all respects, how is this going to impact me and other non USA sites?

Also, for the content providers most seem to alredy provide the necessary 2257 info, but its the free content & banners that really becomes the issue, least in my mind.

I use free galleries, pics from topbucks, pridebucks and aebn so what do I have to do to insure compliance?

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I think the best hope is that this all drags out long enough, GWB loses the Nov election and proposed regulation changes from a lame duck administration get left by the wayside.

here's hopin! *crosses fingers*

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AMEN, Brian....AMEN!

gaystoryman - the new law says that SECONDARY PROVIDERS (us webmasters) have to have the i.d. and each url that the pics from that i.d. go to - so now it's not just the providers.

is the server your business is in in the u.s. or your corporation? it could affect you at some point...

read the law http://www.avn.com/imagearchive/10/68/50/1068502257.pdf

no server is in Canada, my business is in Canada and so am I... thankfully it seems.

Gentlemen,

Please ask your questions to Brandon @ 2257lookup.com. He is working on all this for you. Take a look at his site and contact him with your questions.

Gentlemen,

Please ask your questions to Brandon @ 2257lookup.com. He is working on all this for you. Take a look at his site and contact him with your questions.

Also, if you read the proposed laws, you will see that the current 2257 info on your site is worthless. You will have to be able to specifically identify the model, their real name, and where you obtained the photo (primary producer. this is a very broad sweeping law for us.

this law is due to happen or not before the election... so bush being elected or not will not affect it. it's time we all went through all our pages and started making notes regarding i.d. and place of purchase or producer for every url.

I'm just wondering if this is going to result in pictures of models holding up their driver's licences being available to anyone and everyone online.

If so, how are the models going to feel about everyone knowing their real name, their state/province of residence, and even their driver's licence number.

Seems to me that if it's going to be that wide open, we'll all face difficulty in getting people to pose for content.

Cheers
Dzinerbear

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I'm just wondering if this is going to result in pictures of models holding up their driver's licences being available to anyone and everyone online.

If so, how are the models going to feel about everyone knowing their real name, their state/province of residence, and even their driver's licence number.

Seems to me that if it's going to be that wide open, we'll all face difficulty in getting people to pose for content.

Cheers
Dzinerbear

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I have been wondering the very same thing, Dzinerbear, as we shoot all of the content for CircleJerkBoys in-house and one of the first questions I am always asked is a variation of "will me real name appear..."

The reality is there are those surfers who sign up for accounts just to get free content or sign up for programs only to use their own link to sign up for the website - in fact reducing their cost by the price of that programs payout so those of using proving free content if we have to provide this information are opening up the models to stalking etc as has been mentioned before in this thread.

At the very least, one thing we can do is password protect the free content until we have had a chance to review the url supplied by webmasters at sign-up to verify they in fact have some sites up...perhaps like tgp's who offer partner accounts, we'll need to see several url's. of course there are those out there who could easily put up a few galleries just to fool us, but it may stem the tide a bit.

The bottom line is yes, it very likely to make getting models more difficult which is already quite a task in and of itself...to say nothing of what it can do for the webmaster once that content is shot.

i have been getting i.d. from various content producers for years now. one of the terms and conditions - and it should be bold - is that you CAN NOT use the model's real name or i.d. anywhere on your website.

i would not only password protect that stuff, i would talk to each webmaster and make sure they understand they can NOT use the models' real information in any circumstances. i mean talk on the phone - if they don't seem to understand, sorry - no content!

at the risk of being unloved, i'd like to point out that models who are that nervous about their real name getting out should maybe not model. we have a girl we've been shooting for years. she was beginning to approach pornstardom - then someone emailed her family - she was devestated.

if having your real name out there will ruin your life, having your face out there will, too. my partner has sent away every model with this kind of issues.

one agent sent us a girl who will never be able to return to her home village - she would risk being stoned (i'm not kidding!) and no man would ever marry her there, which is essential for a woman being part of their community.

a lot of guys the agent sent who were nervous about their name getting out there are in school to become doctors or lawyers, but the truth is - as soon as it's found they modeled, they will be unlicensed. even real estate agents here have to hold a moral code.

i'm a lot older than those models, and i know what the consequences could be. we always tell them.

Bass chick...No offense but your last comment is ludicrous. Yes! they should be protected from having to give out their real name. If the content provider is worth anything (And you or any one else as a webmaster you should only be dealing with credible content producers who can supply you with correct model information.)

Do you really realise the ramifications of finding men to do gay porn if there real name is used? You are talking about an industry with very little content. Being a content producer I would venture to say that 80% or more of models would not pose if their real name was exposed. It just will not work.

And also as webmaster who shoots all of his own exclusive content I can not even begin to tell you how many emails I get asking for models information! "I am his biggest fan! Do you ahve any way for me to get ahold of him?" It's insane and scary. Some have even go so far as to pose as photographers trying to get information. Believe me I cannot even begin to explain to you what the ramifications could be for some of these models if their addresses and real names were to fall into the wrong hands

Imagine the google searches alone if this were to happen....Talk about the lawsuits when a freak shows up at some models house and guns the poor guy down. Imagine the lawsuit if the parents get ahold of the information that the stalker got all the information from your website?

I really do not think this law will go into affect in its current form. I can only imagine the lawsuits against the government if people get harrased, molested, or killed because of a law that makes their information public.

I believe in 100% protection and I would not give you or anyone else any information that is entrusted to me.

In my reading of the proposed law, am I not mistaken in believing that the primary and secondary producers should have this information on file and maintained at their place of business?

And not that information itself being on the site.

The proposed law acknowledges the use and existence of aliases, pseudonyms, nicknames, etc and asks custodians of records to organized 2257 material that takes that in to account. But nowhere in my reading of it did it say anything about that information being made available on the website itself or to the general public.

Rather, the information need be retained and seperate from other documents and made available to investigators/authorities if demanded in hardcopy or digital form at a business location.

Location of records.

Any producer required by this part to maintain records shall make
such records available at the producer's place of business. Each record
shall be maintained for seven years from the date of creation or last
amendment or addition. If the producer ceases to carry on the business,
the records shall be maintained for five years thereafter. If the
producer produces the book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape,
computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other matter
(including but not limited to Internet computer site or services) as
part of his control of or through his employment with an organization,
records shall be made available at the organization's place of
business. If the organization is dissolved, the individual who was
responsible for maintaining the records on behalf of the organization,
as described in Sec. 75.6(b), shall continue to maintain the records
for a period of five years after dissolution.

BDBionic - you are not mistaken. the i.d. is not to be on the site - our info is and we are to act as custodians of the records.

randy - you completely misunderstood what i was saying.

are you - like many models - under the strange impression that someone's father or mother won't recognize their son's FACE if he does porn? a spam could arrive from a website with a pic of their son, or their wife's co-worker could be surfing and see it and tell the wife. or the guy could end up on a box cover that gets sold at his local liquor store. he could end up in a gay phone sex ad in a non sex newspaper.

i'm not saying we should be free to use the models' real names - i AM saying that anyone whose life would be ruined by doing modeling, gay or straight, should not be doing modeling at all, whether their name is used or not. and even though i am not responsible for them, i tell every single model that these things could happen.

I photograph a lot of amateurs models who want to do it to live out a one-time fantasy of being naked in front of a camera, they don't wist to be porn stars. I also tell them once their image is out there...it's out there - though generally anyone who is likely to see your image image, by an large, has as much of a secret as you do. Of course ya never know what image is going to be copied and pasted and used in spam etc...

As far as them having no qualms about their real names being so readily available to ever webmaster out there or anyone who can put up enough of a webpage to be considered one...well, I know a lot of people in this industry who aren't at all honest about how they earn a living so I can certainly understand Model A wanting to keep their family name out of it as much as possible.

The fact remains, however, that a models privacy - their real names, states and whatever information is not blacked out but the lazy or harried or just oblivious photographer, means every model will have their information distributed to every secondary producer out there or about a 95% wider distrubtion then they have now...that is definitely going to have an effect on the number and caliber of people wishing to model. Content providers can be as throrough as we can, and of course, there are no guarantees or absolutes in this world, but how long is it before some psycho stalks down a model? I hope it's a very very long time!

harlan, i agree with everything you've just said, and it's not a good situation.

on the other hand, i know models who were spotted on the street and stalked. this world is not kind or understanding of those who get naked for a camera or on stage :-(