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quite frankly i'll be surprised if bush doesnt "win" somehow. he didnt win the first time, and already a week before elections there are problems with votes missing, fraud, etc.
i cant see myself staying in the US if he wins. im already taking steps to make my company offshore & out of my name, only thing left to do is leave myself.
what will you do?
do you think there will be riots, lawsuits, an assasination?
Im almost positive there will be some kind of lawsuit regardless of who wins.
Bush used the law 4 years ago and won this time, he is up against 2 lawyers.
Regards,
Lee
Good point LeeQuote:
Originally posted by Lee
Im almost positive there will be some kind of lawsuit regardless of who wins.
Bush used the law 4 years ago and won this time, he is up against 2 lawyers.
Regards,
Lee
As well, my partner and I have talked about getting the hell outta here if Bush wins....
On the other hand, it will only be for four years.
Can we handle the suffering and bull shit for that long?
I dunno...
Takes alot of "heavy" transformation and transitional shit to leave your country though too...which would be worse....long term or the short?
Let's just HOPE and pray like heck Bush doesn't win!!!
See... it won't be for four years.. it'll be for decades, quite possibly.Quote:
Originally posted by Rainbo1956
On the other hand, it will only be for four years.
Can we handle the suffering and bull shit for that long?
the horriffic changes that four more years of a bush administration would make will be irreversable. Changes to the constitution, supreme court appoitnees, more wars causing more Anti-American backlash, more new laws making it easier for Poluters to polute the ocean, the rivers, the skies and the land...
Four more years of bush (after which he won't be trying to re-election, so he'll have nothing to lose) will quite possibly destroy America as you know it.
So... yeah, leaving might not be a bad idea.
Sorry.
i call dibs on jasun's sofaQuote:
Originally posted by Jasun
So... yeah, leaving might not be a bad idea.
there's plenty of room in my bed.Quote:
Originally posted by Dawgy
i call dibs on jasun's sofa
It sleeps 12.
I'm pulling 2 tickets now...one for me and one for my BF....Hey! Why are we already numbers 7 and 8...who were the first 6?Quote:
Originally posted by Jasun
there's plenty of room in my bed.
It sleeps 12.
Scorpio, Dawgy, Brian, Andy Mike, Xtr8guy and Don.
(I'm hoping Intensecash.com Mark will wanna join in too, but he hasn't asked yet...)
i am NOT sleeping on the bottom
who said anything about actually sleeping?Quote:
Originally posted by Dawgy
i am NOT sleeping on the bottom
Yeah! I thought this was supposed to be for the 4-year-long protest "Suck Cock/Fuck Bush!" which will be the latest reality series on Showtime and will portray the lives of 12 gay men, living together but isolated, in protest, from their home country. It will chronicle the heartaches, triumphs, growth and deterioration, but MOST IMPORTANTLY for any gay-themed cable show...have LOTS of FLESH and SEX!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Jasun
who said anything about actually sleeping?
(you know, sometimes i think i really should keep these ideas to myself)
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION: What if Bush wins?
>> Take the lemons and make lemonade. <<
Moving out of the country won't help, because if Bush screws badly enough to efect you personally, it will proportionally effect Canada, Mexico, UK or where ever else you decide to flee, Dawgy.
Moving your business off shore (on paper at least) won't really matter. If you still have US customers and they have a reason to get you, they will.
It's best to stay put, keep your nose clean, and learn to adapt.
But save me a space in Jasun's bed, just for vacations!
In the immortal words of Yoko Ono..Quote:
Originally posted by LavenderLounge
But save me a space in Jasun's bed, just for vacations!
#9....#9....#9....#9....
It makes the European market seem VERY appealing.....
I'll do nothing... cause Im in Europe ;)
I owe it to every man or woman who has ever worked, fought, or died to make this country a better place for me to grow up and live to stay here and try to do the same for future generations.
I owe it to every gay man or woman who has stood up for their rights and the rights of all of us in this country to stay here and try to do the same for future generations.
I made the decision to leave the US after DOMA was signed, it took a few years to make it happen, but I got out in Aug 2001 and hae felt beter ever since.
Only been back once and that was cause I needed to see some family. I am due back before the end of the year to renew my passport but have been holding off to see how the election goes. If Bush gets elected, or should I say re-appointed, I am just gonna find a way to get the embassy to renew it from here.
I thought his dad was truly evil, but he is by a factor of 100. The damage he has caused since stealing the election 4 years ago will take decades to repair. I live in Hong Kong and most of my non-chinese friends here are Brits or Aussies. They tease me about about being American; I tell them it is where I am from, not what I am....
May I ask what country Thumbnailer?
I'm in Australia currently .. If Bush stays in office I'll definately either stay in Australia or head out to London.Quote:
Originally posted by Thumbnailer
I'll do nothing... cause Im in Europe ;)
Welcome to the club sukime69! Being an American overseas we get a LOT of flack for being American. People demand we answer for the fucked up things our government does. It sucks. When going to school for my masters degree here there were so many foreigners.. when I said I was from America the same questions over and over, "Why you elect Bush?" "Why Americans let him do to Iraq what he does?" "Why they accept his foreign policy?" "Why Americans think they are in charge of the world?" "You know America will fall some day." etc etc.Quote:
Originally posted by sukime69
I live in Hong Kong and most of my non-chinese friends here are Brits or Aussies. They tease me about about being American; I tell them it is where I am from, not what I am....
Some people lie and say they are from Canada.. I'm to proud for that. I'm glad to be American, but ashamed of the things happening that I never knew about, and most Americans don't.
Lets see....if Bush wins I'm going to have a PARTY!!!
Greetings:
That's just sick....Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Alan
Lets see....if Bush wins I'm going to have a PARTY!!!
Your avatar has an American flag witht he words "Better, safer, stronger America - Bush Cheney"Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Alan
Lets see....if Bush wins I'm going to have a PARTY!!!
Bush has been in office 4 years.. I don't feel any safer and I feel moe vulnerable as an American then in my entire life! And Stronger? I'm in Australia.. when I first came here 3 years ago the USD was twice that of the AUD.. now $1 USD buys only $1.33 AUD... the American dollar sure isn't stronger.
Please respond to this and tell me how we're "better,safer and stronger" I'd like to know your logic. And no negative vibes.. I'm truly just curious :-D
Can I come?Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Alan
Lets see....if Bush wins I'm going to have a PARTY!!!
I've always wondered what REpublicans do at parties. Besides, I can get you drunk and reduce it from 62% to about 13%.
Personally I've never seen so many of our Canadian and European friends want to be so "involved" in the election.
i.e....Everyone I am in contact with from the UK, New Zealand, Ireland, France, to Australia, and etc...really do NOT want to see Bush win.
Now, you take them, and with the US citizens that DON'T want Bush in office anymore, I have to ask myself...how can so many be so wrong?
I don't believe they are wrong!
It's been proven that many times over, people from many other countries actually know more about USA politics then many US citizens.
It's my belief that many US citizens are un-informed, under educated in politics, vote for who their "friends" and parents vote for, they're sheep, and over all, have no idea what the long term affects will be...Hell, most of them can't even remember the Vice Presidents name after the election!
An old rule of thumb....if 20 people tell that you have a tail, maybe you should turn around and take a look!
BTW, I'm ex military...I was in the army 4 years, also an ex cop of 2 years...gone to the adult industry...lol...not that it has anything to do with anything...I just wanted ppl to know that, yes...I served and I didn't join until I was 28 years old...I know some shit that others can't even imagine. But, I will say one thing...I honestly feel for our service men over there....I hope they all will be able to come home very soon!
that's probably a little over simplified, but yes, I will say (as an American citizen living in Canada) that as Americans we can be a little more clued out on the subject of politics. We can be appathetic. We can over simplify things.
To say that America was attacked by people who "hated freedom" is a classic example of this. It shows such a compelte and fundimental lack of understanding about the Middle East that it's almost laughable... in fact, it's a running punch line to jokes elsewhere in the world... but many Americans hold that belief quite deeply.
Many Americans don't understand the way the world works, and it's not really their fault. In schools, very few of them are given a proper education about the world. Many Americans are surprised to find out how Canadians study American history in school, because it's so important to learning and understanding our own history. Many Americans are surprised to find out that we understand American politics better than they do.. again, we study all forms of Government.
Education really is the key, and simply saying that school should teach only Reading, Writing and Math is a proven detriment to a society.
But I sure hope that the early exit polls showing John Kerry kicking Dubya's ass are acurate.
I really do.
well, with 4 more years of bush, you aren't going to see better education. if you educate drones, they may not do what you want them to do.
i always thought i was pathetic as far as understanding other countries and politics go, but compared to my neighbors, i'm wayyyyyyyyy ahead.
something i realized tonight... most u.s. citizens are not aware that every year, we have over 100 terrorist acts. the news, when it does report these acts, puts them on a back page. a lot go unreported. only a few high-profile terrorist acts make the front page - and i think that u.s. people are more shocked by the ones they know about because they believe they are so rare. they feel violated by the high profile terrorist acts because they feel that we here are the victims of them so rarely.
yup, education would do a world of good...