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I'm registering my LLC today and everything is coming together on the glbt clothing biz. I'm giddy, finally looks like something is going to work out for me that I can see through. I've always liked designing shirts and gotten plenty of compliments and questions about ones i've designed for myself, so this is good for me. If all works out, i'll have a decent modest income and some real hapiness and security, plus something to do for hours every day.

The only thing that brings me down a little is that I couldn't afford the $1k in startup obviously, so presented it to a close friend to see if he wanted to partner up 50/50. He was excited to do it with me and had some great ideas of his own, but has decided now he wants to be president of the LLC and get more than 50% of profit, and the idea was one i've sat on for a while and daydreamed about a lot so it kinda sucks, but I gotta do what I can.

We kind of clash on our vision of how it should be a little too, he thinks we should concentrate on presenting the designs/graphics, and offer all of them on a few different types of shirts and colors, kind of a build your own. I prefer that each shirt be a specific way and be presented as a style in a certain way. More of a finished product and a little cocky like most clothing designers, as in "this is my creation and it's hot, and it'll look hot on you" instead of "these are our graphics, how do you want them?"

Which do you all think works better? His has more diversity and allows more control over the product ordered, but mine eases stock headache and presents a finished product made to look a certain way.

Any ideas/opinions?

i think you are giving away your dream to someone who does not share it, and wants to be in control.

i'm sure there's something to be said for both visions, but if you do not come to an agreement in advance, he will simply be using the skeleton of your idea to start his company. i hope you fully iron out these differences ON PAPER before you actually get started.

seems like you'd do better with a loan you can pay back, or a silent partner or partner who gets under 50% so you can maintain your original idea - or at least a partner who agrees with you, and doesn't instantly want to be the president.

Yeah, we will definately have a written contract detailing everything.

He does want a lot of control, but when it comes down to it, it was my idea and my designs from concept to creation. I've done as much research as I possibly can and it seems like what I've decided would be best and really would work.

I've been sitting on this idea for a long while, if I could do it all myself I definately would have. I could handle all the work myself without a doubt, and marketing. But I've never had any luck at all finding an investor or a way to get a loan with any business I've wanted to start and it always stops me dead. This is finally a chance for me to take a dream and make it reality so I seized it. I'm putting my all into it and thinking about it from the time I wake up until I go to bed. I couldn't be more passionate about it or willing to put everything I have into it. If involving someone else ruins it for me I guess i'll just be back where I started.

On a lighter note, I can't wait to do the catalog photoshoots! Hot guys and girls in smalls and mediums trying to look sexy, that's gonna be fun :)

i surely do wish you success in your venture!

Never go into a partnership with anyone (even family or lovers) unless it's at least a 49/51 partnership...that's just good business sence.

Someone "has" to have more of the final say so...I don't care who it is...
Usually it "is" the one who has the most invested.

And or, you can make it clear who will run which part of the biz (naturally, everything in writing) still a 49/51 split though.

Have you exhausted all the possibilities of getting business grants or loans?

You'd need a well written out business plan...and you may be able to get a loan.

All this over $1k ?!!

Save up the money and leave him out of this.

Sounds like your getting things going finally :thumbsup:

I would agree with the nfo above about not doing anything where you get less than 51% ownership though.

Regards,

Lee

I would have to get a private loan, and I don't know anybody with any extra money. $1k may not seem like a lot, but it's more than i've seen at once in a long time. Would anyone want to invest in this? I've planned it out fully, from production to sales, marketing, packaging, and the website and storefront are ready.

I currently have close to 30 different GLBT designs, most are suggestive but some are pretty blatant. A few of them are:
Spit Shine
Call Me Sir
WOOF! (written on a dogbone) yeah I don't like this term a whole lot, but the shirt is kind of cute
3 is a magic number (is that suggestive?)
An outline of Missouri (my home state) saying "SHOW it to ME", the state motto..kind of
Sucker For Punishment (written over a sucker)
I Know What Boys Want
Pink Team (on a black shirt in pink)
A swing set with arrows pointing in both directions (surely people will get this hehe)
TransAction
Here Kitty Kitty
Call Me SIR (in army stencil font)
The Honey & The Bear matching set
OUT Of Control
I've already got these copyrighted and checked numberous times to make sure I'm not infringing on any copyrights with any of the designs.

You get the idea :P Some of these are on t-shirts, some on two-tone ringers, some on raglans, some on ribbed tanks, and they all look damn good if I should say so myself :) I even have one that can be modified with safety-pins to show a lot of skin. It'll be demonstrated on the models in the catalog, who are very very hot.

I don't care if they are corny or if any of them are bad ideas, I put a lot of work and effort into designing the graphics and putting them the right way on the right shirts to look hot. It seems like a great way to break into the GLBT market doing something I have a passion for, and creating a well known label (hopefully) in the process. A popular brand can get you places :P

i gather the $1000 is to register the llc. do you HAVE to have the llc in order to start this business, or can you get started and then register it?

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i gather the $1000 is to register the llc. do you HAVE to have the llc in order to start this business, or can you get started and then register it?

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It's for equipment, a minimum amount of startup shirts, shipping goods, and a few other small things, all physical. No i don't need the LLC right away but it isn't very expensive to register and saves me from some liability if someone decided to sue me because a shirt gave them a rash or some other ignorant shit. I can't think of any likely scenarios where i would be sued over a shirt but I'm sure there are plenty. The original stock and equipment cost enough though that I need that 1k to start or I have nothing to sell and therefore no business.

I have only a few weeks left to launch this before I miss the holiday sales completely. I've busted ass and done everything I need to research-wise, but I don't know if I'll ever get further than that. My friend said he was ready to order everything we need and get started but it's not happening. I'm SICK of dissapointment, I don't care if I have to sell myself to raise the money I'm going to make this happen, now not later.

I think my friend is gonna back out. He was going to use a credit card to pay for the initial expenses but he is having a ton of second thoughts and doubt.

I have to stop thinking about it constantly or i'll drive myself crazy. No amount of planning is getting me anywhere, it all comes down to cash, of which i have none and probably never will again. I wish someone would take a chance on me without wanting my friggin soul in exchange. Guys always wanna be paid back either with sex or over half my business, and I won't go for either. :bomb:

Being blind broke and stranded in bumfuck is getting to me, if I don't find something positive to do with myself soon i'm gonna implode.

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seems like you'd do better with a loan you can pay back, or a silent partner or partner who gets under 50% so you can maintain your original idea - or at least a partner who agrees with you, and doesn't instantly want to be the president.

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Just out of curiousity, how the fuck do I do this? I've been trying for a year now. I couldnt have more of a business plan or model for success, or think every little detail out more. I can't get a loan because I have no credit, no partner wants less than half, I have no friends or family who have to money to loan, much less that would if they did.

Obviously busting ass to save up the money shouldn't be out of the question, but I live in the middle of nowhere, there are NO good jobs i'm qualified for, i'm still half blind with no glasses, and no car. I'm tired of wollowing in the bed i've made for myself, but can't see any decent way out...

btw, if anyone is wondering what is happening with my camsite...

http://www.shimmercam.com/itsme.jpg

I'm thinking scrawny white and hairy isn't such a hot seller lol

i guess i don't understand something - i make at least a couple thou a month posting galleries. that's if i post 4 - 5 days per week, and it takes a max of 2 hours a day.

so why can't you make an extra $1000 doing this, or working avs sites? it would be better than a loan 'cause the money would be yours.

or perhaps you could do some work for other webmasters. there are people who pay to have galleries posted for them, who pay to have galleries reviewed for their tgps, who pay to write text for sites. maybe someone on this board needs some help...

I could basschick, but I don't really know how. I've never done tgp on a large scale, and I don't have any good free hosting anymore. The host my camsite is on expires in a month, a friend let me use some space but it's done nothing for him so i'm sure he won't renew the domain. that's mostly whats keeping me from doing avs too, but I do know how to do that.

You are right, that IS a viable solution, and if i spent as much time doing it as I do bitching and feeling sorry for myself I would already be somewhere. I'm just stupid, what can I say? I need to take a good amount of self-pics, find a decent free host, and get my ass in gear, i have the time and the will i just have to do it. I'll start tomorrow and keep everyone posted on my progress so I can still post here and actually have something constructive to say.

Any suggestions on where to put the avs sites? I had hosting with cyberage and gmp but my aol account died and i've lost the passwords, so I can't get them back without the original email address.

FYI, I ICQ'd DigitalJay that RevShareHosting.com may work for him and showed him another thread about free content/free hosting ... See these threads http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...t=free+hosting and http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...t=free+hosting .

Anyone have any idea why it's so impossible to find an investor? I know small businesses are high risk but this has a great chance of success with very little capital needed, my only real competition is Ajaxx63 and their selection is less than diverse.

I wanted so badly to get this started in time for the holiday season, I'm going to try doing avs and tgp to make the money, but it means i'll be starting when online sales are dead. :bomb:

well, there is dontpanic.com as well... and a few others i can't think of the names of.

have you drawn up a business plan? and who did you approach with it?

also, have you approached t-shirt companies to see how small an order you can place? maybe you can get 10 different t-shirts printed for like $300 or so...

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well, there is dontpanic.com as well... and a few others i can't think of the names of.

have you drawn up a business plan? and who did you approach with it?

also, have you approached t-shirt companies to see how small an order you can place? maybe you can get 10 different t-shirts printed for like $300 or so...

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I do not like dontpanic because they infringe on a lot of copyrights with their shirts and it'll probably catch up to them sooner or later. I didn't name them because they make all kinds of shirts, I just want to do GLBT themed.

I do have a business plan, and I've approached about every gay guy I know with any kind of money. They all say they think I have an excellent idea and that it will do well but they can't afford to invest in a small business right now, or just did for someone else.

I have also priced every option available to me, from ordering screen printed shirts, to having it done locally, to doing it myself. Ordering the screen printing almost doubles my cost per unit, doing it myself would be the cheapest way to go. It allows me to create my own stock on demand with no turnaround time.

Thank you for the continuing advice and help basschick, I really really appreciate it!

imo it would be worth doubling your cost per unit to get started while still owning 100% of your company. that way, you can get started without $1000. if you're willing to give away half your company to a partner, this would be the same profit margin to you - while allowing you to start up much sooner with no partner.

btw, dontpanic is local to me. for years, all their shirts were gay and lesbian - if they expanded, it may pay them to do so. and yes, they do infringe sometimes, which is why i have a shirt that says "All I hear is Marcia, Marcia Marcia" :D

that being said, they started out for years with shirts a lot like yours. i recall they had CALL ME SIR running for a couple years.

The problem is, if i get the necesarry equipment, I can do the same amount of shirts, but in every design I have for less than doing only a few shirts professionally. The setup would cost about $400 and would increase the diversity of my catalog 10x and also give me the ability to produce shirts on demand instantly. Because of the setup costs of having someone else do it, my initial invesment in any amount of shirts would be more.

I do like a lot of dontpanic's designs, they are just setup a bit differently from how I plan to do things and do not market their shirts in the same way at all, so I wouldn't consider them direct competition as much as a place like ajaxx63. If they have survived and done well for years, I guess it is at least further proof that there is a market for what I want to sell.

while all of what you say is true, if you used an outside shirt printer, you could be in business literally tomorrow. no loans, no partners. as soon as you make some sales, use that money to buy a machine. you were willing to give away half your money to a partner so either way you give up half the money.

this way, you have no legal entanglements, you pay no interest, and you are in full control.

not to mention that after your initial model shirts, you can have the shirts printed AFTER you receive the payment, so you wouldn't be paying for the orders out of your pocket.

DJ..

Another drawback to actually owng the equiptment is.. What happens if it breaks? You have to spend the same amount aain for replacement costs of the broken goods.

I really would go much smaller at least until you kow that your shirts will sell and you have some solid income for at least 3-6 months.

Regards,

Lee

Yeah you both are right. I'm still confused on the math though.

A home press costs $320 with shipping and has a 90 day warranty and allows me to make as many or as few of any style at any time.

Setup fees on 10 shirts would be $200 plus the cost of the shirts themselves, with a two week turnaround, and that's only 1/3 of my total designs.

a home press is probably not the quality of printing you are expecting, but can't you buy a used one somewhere?

and why can't you do some simple work to earn $320? it's not that much money - surely someone here needs $350 worth of work - have you asked around?

have you really priced lots of places that print shirts? i know i've seen them - shirts included - for under $20.

A home press would be of greater quality than the ones sold by cafe press, so I figure it would be safe and give me complete creative control. I have priced used ones on ebay and they really aren't any cheaper than the $320 one, and it is from a well-known well respected brand and provides the quality I would require.

I have priced some online stores, but am worried about the time it takes to get them and quality control. Local places a $25 setup fee per design was the cheapest I could find.

If I could do anything to make the capital I would jump on the chance. I was going to take some fresh pics and try making avs sites with them but i have lost my info for my cyberage hosting and the email address it was registered to no longer exists. Plus my bf is out whoring around so I have nobody to take them at the moment. If I can be around him when he gets back i'll ask him to help me do a photoshoot and bust ass to try to get a check asap.

I have asked around if anyone needs help but I think everyone is pinching their pennies right now b/c of the holiday season.

through the power of google:

http://www.zazzle.com/create/custom/...C-GJ6658976473

http://customink.com?cm_ven=Google&c...rt%20printing/

http://www.berda.com/
minimum is 12 shirts, but when you get bigger, they may be a very good place to consider, and for less than you could buy the shirts for in some cases.

http://www.berda.com/t-shirts_better.shtml these prices are nowhere near $20 + t-shirt. in fact, nowhere online could i find shirts for $20 PLUS the shirts - not one place. $20 was the highest i saw, and that included the printing.

or perhaps if you buy heat transfers, you can iron them on the shirts yourself...

With some money, I could do anything. With the big fat none I have now, all I can do is dream.

Thank you so much basschick, I hadn't seen any of those places I must have been typing in bad word combinations. I've been set on doing dark-fabric heat transfers with a heat press for a while and didn't research ordering screen printed shirts as much as I should have.

I'm giving up on getting in before these holidays so I can concentrate on getting what I need to done a bit at a time, as I have money. I guess that way I have a whole year to build up before the next rush. I don't care how long it takes for me to make this happen or how many small steps it takes, I'm already commited to it and won't rest until I have my online store.

Does anyone have an opinion about any of my designs/ideas? Think they are tired, crap, lame, great, funny, anything? Those are just a few and not really the best, but give a good idea of what I'm going for.

you can get heat transfers cheap off one of those sites...

your text for your shirts is fine. it's all about how well you market them, and to whom!

Well that part I can do. The marketing will be the fun part, and I can't wait. I have no expectations for any amount of sales, so any amount is good for me and I know they will sell.

Yeah heat transfers are not expensive at all, but also need a good high quality printer, lots of ink, and the heat press to make sure they are evenly heated and at a high enough temp to make them last. Wouldn't be comfortable selling them ironed-on because thats just not high enough quality.

Greetings:

Ok, I've been trying my best to stay away from this thread for as long as I can because I just know I'm going to get myself in trouble, but I just can't help it anymore. Sometimes a flame is necessary and appropriate to help get people put on the right track:

As someone that starts up companies from scratch and sells them when they reach maturity for a living, I feel the need to state the obvious about what the underlying problem here is:

You're making too many excuses for why you can't do this, or can't do that, or won't do this or won't try that, instead of just getting off of your assets and doing SOMETHING.

When it comes to start-ups, any investor can tell you it has very little to do with the idea (they're a dime a dozen), and a great deal to do with the people behind it. Being an entrepreneur requires tenacity and determination. "I can't because" is something you'll NEVER hear anyone that's had any success as an entrepreneur ever say. You need to take an "I can because" or "I will because" approach.

I've read over a dozen excuses from you in this thread, about why you don't have a company started. And in just the 5 minutes it took me to read this thread, I can think of at least a dozen different ways that you CAN have a company started. Others have been suggesting ways too, but you've found reasons why none of them will work for you either.

Sitting around waiting for someone to drop $1,000 on your lap isn't the way to get things done. You were right about one thing, you aren't ever going to find someone to invest in your company. Why? Not because the ideas that you have for shirts aren't good ones, but because there is an obvious lack of motivation and effort on your part.

I mean honestly, listen to yourself. The reason you can't start up is because you don't have $1,000, and you were going to do AVS sites to get it, but your boyfriend isn't around to take pics of your dick for you, so you can't do that either?

Let's move away from whatever kind of twisted logic came up with that, and move back into the real world of business for a minute:

1. Do YOU really believe in YOURSELF? Do you really belive in your product, and in your ability to bring it to market? If so, hit Ebay and start selling off your most prized possessions. Hell, sell off things that are "necessities". Have a garage sale. Do you really need a couch or those chairs, or can you manage sitting on the floor for a while? What about that computer you're typing on? Think your friends might let you over their house to use theirs when you need to? Does the library have computers? If so, sell yours. It sounds ridiculous, but read success stories of businessmen, this is how MANY of them started. They take a gamble on themselves, because they know, and like, the odds. If you can't say the same about yourself, then the business world might not be for you.

2. Have you made computer mock-ups of your shirt designs? If not, do so. Then start e-mailing, calling, and writing every gay oriented store you can find. Every large town has at least 1 or 2 of these places, that sells the funny greeting cards and refrigerator magnets. Make a list of every one of them in the country that you can find. Show them your designs, and offer them a lot of them at cost if they pre-order. A LOT of these types of speciality shops are used to having to pre-order their merchandise, and if you offer them a lot at cost "because they're a first time customer", there's a good chunk of change towards your start-up. Out of the hundreds of places like this that exist, I'm willing to bet you that $1,000 that you can find one of them to bite if you work hard enough.

3. Have you approached the SBA? The Small Business Association gives low interest loans, no interest loans, and grants to people every day. No collateral, no credit, no job, no experience, no education required. They will help you write a business plan or evaluate the one you have for free. They will help you with your accounting for free. They will help you market your product to other small businesses that they deal with for free (hey, remember those small gay oriented retail outlets I spoke about? this might be a good way to get an "in" with them).

4. Do you live in a HUB? Historically Underutilized Business District? If not, is there one close by? The Federal Government is required by LAW to give grants and loans totaling HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars each year to small businesses in these locations. There are literally not enough applications every year to even allow the government to use up this money. You'll find once you start up a business or two, local reps will be contacting YOU, asking if there's anything you could use some HUB money for! Applying for a crummy $1,000 would be a guaranteed win.

5. Have you approached webmasters of large sites and offered a partnership opportunity? Many sites give away a bonus for members that stay with them for several months, including, you guessed it, T-SHIRTS! What if you offered to brand some of your designs with their logos, have the shirts made up, and act as distributor to their members, FOR COST. I bet you could find one willing to buy up $1,000 worth, and since you're acting as distributor, you don't need to worry about coming up with all of the t-shirts at once. You can use the money as start up, and make up the shirts as they need shipped.

There, I'm tired of typing. That's 5 very realistic ways to get $1,000. The only question is, do you want it bad enough that you're actually willing to go out there and try to get it?

Wow, that is an excellent piece of advice 'Justme'. Made me think a bit.

WOW JustMe

Now I feel like starting my own bussiness.
I think I CAN do it.

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You're making too many excuses for why you can't do this, or can't do that, or won't do this or won't try that, instead of just getting off of your assets and doing SOMETHING.

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Not excuses, reasons. If i've already thought of something and it didn't work out for me, i'm going to explain why. Or maybe I shouldn't.

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When it comes to start-ups, any investor can tell you it has very little to do with the idea (they're a dime a dozen), and a great deal to do with the people behind it. Being an entrepreneur requires tenacity and determination. "I can't because" is something you'll NEVER hear anyone that's had any success as an entrepreneur ever say. You need to take an "I can because" or "I will because" approach.

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I've been working on this for a long time, I definately have tenacity and determination. If there was ever a legit "I can't because" it is not having the capital. The #1 reason small businesses fail is not having enough startup funds to supplement the business during it's initial growth. Seminar-type advice like that only gets people so far, it comes down to having the resources or not. All i've said is I curently do not but am not about to give up working on that, not "aww gawd I just can't do it so I give up" or anything like that.

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I've read over a dozen excuses from you in this thread, about why you don't have a company started. And in just the 5 minutes it took me to read this thread, I can think of at least a dozen different ways that you CAN have a company started. Others have been suggesting ways too, but you've found reasons why none of them will work for you either.

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Nope. People have suggested what I already planned to do, start as small and cheap as possible and build up. I have no bank account yet and one roll of pennies, if that can get me started on Ebay you let me know how.

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Sitting around waiting for someone to drop $1,000 on your lap isn't the way to get things done. You were right about one thing, you aren't ever going to find someone to invest in your company. Why? Not because the ideas that you have for shirts aren't good ones, but because there is an obvious lack of motivation and effort on your part.

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Looking for an investor is not sitting around waiting for someone to throw money at me. That is rediculous. I have more than enough motivation and I've put a lot of effort into what I'm trying to do.

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I mean honestly, listen to yourself. The reason you can't start up is because you don't have $1,000, and you were going to do AVS sites to get it, but your boyfriend isn't around to take pics of your dick for you, so you can't do that either?

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Yeah, that's what I said. :wacko: I said I was going to start it today but couldn't because I wanted to take new pics and he wasn't here. I mean honestly, listen to yourself. I can't do it ever because I can't do it right this minute? That makes no sense.

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Let's move away from whatever kind of twisted logic came up with that, and move back into the real world of business for a minute:

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Twisted logic? I thought it was pretty self-explanatory. I HAVE TO WAIT FOR MY BF TO GET HOME TO TAKE PICTURES. Maybe that is easier to understand?

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1. Do YOU really believe in YOURSELF? Do you really belive in your product, and in your ability to bring it to market? If so, hit Ebay and start selling off your most prized possessions. Hell, sell off things that are "necessities". Have a garage sale. Do you really need a couch or those chairs, or can you manage sitting on the floor for a while? What about that computer you're typing on? Think your friends might let you over their house to use theirs when you need to? Does the library have computers? If so, sell yours. It sounds ridiculous, but read success stories of businessmen, this is how MANY of them started. They take a gamble on themselves, because they know, and like, the odds. If you can't say the same about yourself, then the business world might not be for you.

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This is a borrowed computer, mine died a few months ago. I have literally nothing that could be sold on ebay, and currently no bank account that I could use to create an ebay account. I'm sure explaining why this isn't currently possible for me is me making up excuses though instead of explaining that i've already thought of this.

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2. Have you made computer mock-ups of your shirt designs? If not, do so. Then start e-mailing, calling, and writing every gay oriented store you can find. Every large town has at least 1 or 2 of these places, that sells the funny greeting cards and refrigerator magnets. Make a list of every one of them in the country that you can find. Show them your designs, and offer them a lot of them at cost if they pre-order. A LOT of these types of speciality shops are used to having to pre-order their merchandise, and if you offer them a lot at cost "because they're a first time customer", there's a good chunk of change towards your start-up. Out of the hundreds of places like this that exist, I'm willing to bet you that $1,000 that you can find one of them to bite if you work hard enough.

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This is not a bad idea, but I have serious doubts that it would work. I will possibly give it a try anyway because I have nothing to lose.

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3. Have you approached the SBA? The Small Business Association gives low interest loans, no interest loans, and grants to people every day. No collateral, no credit, no job, no experience, no education required. They will help you write a business plan or evaluate the one you have for free. They will help you with your accounting for free. They will help you market your product to other small businesses that they deal with for free (hey, remember those small gay oriented retail outlets I spoke about? this might be a good way to get an "in" with them).

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There is no SBA office within 400 miles of me, but even so what you are talking about is jumping ahead of things, I am fine with my business plan and I have no worries about accounting or marketing.

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4. Do you live in a HUB? Historically Underutilized Business District? If not, is there one close by? The Federal Government is required by LAW to give grants and loans totaling HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars each year to small businesses in these locations. There are literally not enough applications every year to even allow the government to use up this money. You'll find once you start up a business or two, local reps will be contacting YOU, asking if there's anything you could use some HUB money for! Applying for a crummy $1,000 would be a guaranteed win.

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Definately not. I live ten miles outside a small Missouri town.

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5. Have you approached webmasters of large sites and offered a partnership opportunity? Many sites give away a bonus for members that stay with them for several months, including, you guessed it, T-SHIRTS! What if you offered to brand some of your designs with their logos, have the shirts made up, and act as distributor to their members, FOR COST. I bet you could find one willing to buy up $1,000 worth, and since you're acting as distributor, you don't need to worry about coming up with all of the t-shirts at once. You can use the money as start up, and make up the shirts as they need shipped.

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No, I have not done this and once again not a bad idea, but I do not have the equipment to even create shirts yet so that is kind of jumping the gun.

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There, I'm tired of typing. That's 5 very realistic ways to get $1,000. The only question is, do you want it bad enough that you're actually willing to go out there and try to get it?

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Thanks for being so smug, really nice. I ask for advice like this and you present it in a "how stupid are you?" way. Well...


FUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOU :)

you know what, i decided not to even fucking bother. wrote my responses...put them away somewhere safe...good try JustMe.

Greetings:

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Originally posted by DigitalJay
FUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOU

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Very nice. Best of luck to you in this and all of your future endeavors.

DigitalJay - if you could make the shirts on your computer and put them online, you could have the shirts made up after the order clears your bank account. that means zero start up costs.

it may not be ideal, but you could do it tomorrow....

Hey at least I said it with a little smiley. I may be stupid but I'm also sensitive so just be nice to me please.
Good luck to you too, I like your TGP it's cute and the purple really sets it off.

BassChick, you are right. My longtime friend who was going to do this with me has decided to follow his dreams of being a model and max out his cards paying some modelling scouts. Good grief, but I can't count on anyone but myself anyway. I'm really really considering doing what you suggested, just not quite sure if that would be better than waiting until I have anything and everything I need and biting the bit in the mean time.

i don't see how it could hurt...

and it will give you a chance to really lay out your shirts, which couldn't hurt later on.