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What do I have to do to get you to try out BoysThatGag? I'm telling you that the numbers are off the hook and you will make some serious bank with it. Catch me on icq 59075257 or email ast ( a t ) edfmedia.com and I will give you the numbers that we're seeing as well as what kind of traffic is working best. Let me prove to you that we can put money in your pocket.
We'd maybe try out as an affiliate....but, where's the webmasters link?
Sorry, I didn't see one.
(edited for stupidity...lol)
I clicked your sig...duh!
LOL.. sometimes I have a blonde moment and don't put a URL in. I actually was hoping people would check the paysite and go from there. If it's a dating site you're going to use this on I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how well dating traffic will do with this site.
Thanks
Jan
I'm going to be brutally honest with you and I hope you understand that my intention here is to help you, not hurt or offend you.
Right or wrong, my initial gut feeling when I first saw the site was: straight company trying to do that gay "niche" thing again.
In my opinion, the whole language of the site is straight. A couple of guys sitting around having a few beers, "Oh sure I've let a guy suck my cock once. Found this faggot in the park and I fucked that boy's mouth until he gagged."
I don't know how to explain it other than gay men don't say things like gagged, cock gobbling, gagology, getting your throat stabbed. I've never called my cock "my lovestick." And "pushing cockmeat to the limit" I don't know what that means, but it doesn't sound like something I'd say.
(xstr8guy, jasun ... help me out here ... am I off base?)
Plus I just find the whole theme a bit ... well ... offensive. I don't have any first-hand witnesses here at the moment, but I am pretty sure I'm orally talented, so if I'm gagging it's because someone is forcing me to do something I don't want to be doing. I know you were probably going for the "these cocks are so big that these boys can barely get them into their mouths" thing, but that's not the way I'm reading it.
In looking up "gag" in Good Keywords over 4600 people searched for "gag on my cock" last month. A search in Google turns up straight sites in all of the top ten results, and many of those sites also employ the word "bitch" alongside "gag on my cock." So for me that spells out where the marketplace falls on that subject.
So when I looked at your site all of this was going through my head. And it boils down to a couple of things for me: (1) do I want to promote a site that smells a little homophobic (yeah, make those fags and bitches gag on my cock) and (2) do I think my gay traffic is going to buy something I wouldn't.
Homos ... am I wrong here?
Undermyspell ... I think you have a nice looking site, it's well designed, it's appealing, it's saleable, although I'm pretty sure I've seen some of this stuff on Street Bait. I think you need to hire a gay man to help you with the language and I'd suggest a name change.
Good luck
Dzinerbear
See.. I was thinking the same thing, really.
I don't know how to say it, but plugging the guy's nose so he can't breathe, and watching him fight to get the guy's hands off the back of his head so he can take a breath is.. well.. kinda repulsive. So is watching him almost barf with the dick in his mouth.
I know it's all in fun and the guys are all laughing at the end of it and everything, but the language is totally geared toward straight men who hate women, not gay guys who like cock.
I'd temper the "Grab your lovestick, honey" (honey?) and "throat stabbed" (which sounds like, well.. murder) and try to make it seem a little bit more fun and less humiliating to the guy sucking cock.
I'm sure there's a market for this.. and I'll probably try it, but you might get better reception from a less over the top sales pitch.
notes made on the language. However, a question, is there not a market for the "rough" gay sex? That's what this is trying to target.
There is, but that doesn't look like "rough sex" so much as.. guys, help me out.. what's the word I'm looking for?
The sex doesn't look rough so much as degrading.
I like the rough stuff myself, but if some guy tried to hold my face on his dick and not let me breathe, I'm not sure I'd be so into that.
Jasun.. the offensiveness makes perfect sense now that you made the statements that you did. I know what market we were targeting and it's working very well within that market but we could expand that market with perhaps two tours. One like this and one that's a bit less rough.
There you go.
See.. the tour looks great, and the video quality is good, and the guy in the first video is cordially invited to chow down on the Jasunator any time he wants.
And if it's converting, it's converting.
I'll give it a try, but I'd probably want to wait for the new tour.
And thanks.
Jasun.. you're an angel.. Thank You :angel:
So how come every time I try to go to a church for confession, I burn my hand on the door and the windows all explode out?Quote:
Originally posted by undermyspell
Jasun.. you're an angel.. Thank You :angel:
Because you are a fallen angel ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Jasun
So how come every time I try to go to a church for confession, I burn my hand on the door and the windows all explode out?
Regards,
Lee
See when I think of rough sex, I think more of s/m and leather and all of those realms are okay with me because there's the whole element of safe, sane and consensual.
And rough sex, yes I know it exists, I know there's a market for it, but I think you need to be careful on how this stuff translates in print. If I'm with a guy and I say "Yeah suck daddy's dick, come on choke on it, boy," he can tell by my tone of voice, my actions, and whatever discussion we've had about the whole scene beforehand that this is just a scene. When I go to a website like this, I don't have the benefit of that hind sight or knowledge.
Maybe if you shifted the come-on language a bit to something like this: "These guys love to be humiliated while they're sucking cock. They like to have a cock shoved down their throat until they almost gag. And these guys beg us to be mean to them." This sort of thing, it's a little less threatening, mysoginistic or homophobic, and you've built in an element of consent.
Cheers
Dzinerbear
:soundofjasungoingofflikearocket:Quote:
Originally posted by Dzinerbear
"These guys love to be humiliated while they're sucking cock. They like to have a cock shoved down their throat until they almost gag. And these guys beg us to be mean to them."
I have an expert looking over it now. He's a genius as far as i'm concerned and perhaps he can recommend someone that can redo the text for me. I so appreciate all the input and now it makes sense why I was seeing traffic from mostly straight webmasters that push gay traffic to sponsors.
Hey Man, it's why we're the best place to come for help when trying to market a gay site.Quote:
Originally posted by undermyspell
I so appreciate all the input and now it makes sense why I was seeing traffic from mostly straight webmasters that push gay traffic to sponsors.
Imagine, if you can, the horrors you'd encounter if trying to find help on GFY.
If you want us to look anything over in prelimiary stages, I know I'd be happy to.
Also, you might want to check out Chris Steele's "Steele Rangers" or Cole Tucker's 3 Degrees of Humiliation. These two are masters are the respectful humiliation of the Suck-Daddy's-cock variety.
And BTW, thanks for being open to the criticism even though you didn't specifically ask for it. Ultimately I think your open-mindedness will make your site better and help build bridges between straight and gay webmasters and how we cross-sell one another's stuff.
cheers
Dzinerbear
well i've been fortunate to have been blessed with wide shoulders so I can stand critique without running to a corner and crying like a baby. I was fully aware of the need for input on gay sites by gay men and this has been an excellent experience. I've written for gay publications before but I don't feel that i'm the right person to tackle this job but I found someone to handle it for me. My team is dedicated to making sure our affiliates and surfers get the most for their traffic and their money so whatever feedback we get we will definitely take into consideration and most times implement if it's at all feasible.
pssst.. oh yeah, just for the record though. Out of the last 20 trials 18 of those have converted to full membership. :wtf:
Then I'll be trying it out for SURE.
I just want to introduce myself here. I'm Alex from JasonandAlex.com.
I really appreciate the constructive criticism from everyone here. I also wanted to add, that our intention was not to offend anyone here. You are all correct in saying it seems like a few straight guys trying to get in the gay niche. We definately want to tap the gay niche but more important, we want to do it right.
My understanding is that Jan (Undermyspell) found a great writer that understands the gay niche and is going to redo the text for us.
Hopefully by next monday we will have the second tour up for you to see.
Once again thanks for the input and if anyone has questions about the program please don't hesitate to contact me on ICQ 74296267.
Our phone numbers and extentions are available on the program as well.
Take care.
b4 someone else tells you don't call it "gay niche" but gay market.
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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
You are all correct in saying it seems like a few straight guys trying to get in the gay niche. We definately want to tap the gay niche but more important, we want to do it right.
psssst ... it's not a niche, it's a market just like "straight."
"Rough Sex" is a niche within the gay market.
:)
Cheers
Dzinerbear
come on guys.. don't give him a complex.. LOL
He's just not hip to the lingo yet. Give him credit for admitting that he's a straight guy.. that could be overwhelming for some.. *giggle*
pssst... notice I never said niche.. :angel:
Thanks, Alex, none of us were offended at all.. or at least, I wasn't.. I think we were offering suggestions as to how to market to gay traffic a bit better. I know that most of the traffic that my site is gonna attract is gonna be all about the rough sex, but marketing to guys like that can be tough, and you have to sometimes walk a thin line when reaching that crowd. guys like Dzinerbear and me and Xtr8guy are all marketing to these guys regularly, and we know what's going to attract them and turn them off. Anything we can do to help a new program sell for us is gonna benefit us all in the end.
I can only remember one time that we were all horrified by a site, and that was a while ago.
So please ask for our help, we're happy to give it.
No... you didn't.. but turn around and take your punishment anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by undermyspell
pssst... notice I never said niche.. :angel:
:jasun:
now that's what i'm talking about Jasun...
Score 1 more for the Jasunator.
And in less than 8 posts.
Man, I beat my own record.
you guys should get some harder cock in these movies. Not to offend the stunt cocks, maybe i'm jaded or something but those stunt dicks seem flabby to me personally
just sayin'
Jasun, you're a pig ... that's why we love you.
:)
dz
And it's why the lucky have been loved by me.
ok Jasun am I missing something? LOL
and JIg I will take that under advisement although i'm not sure that I could entice their cocks to be any harder than they are at the moment. I just don't have the right equipment.. :wtf:
Pretty site, high quality content, poor execution.
This is not something new to the gay market... this type of material falls into a degradation/humiliation niche.
I agree that the language is a little naive, but I think the site has much more potential... and the goofy language is just a minor part of the problem.
Imo, the tour has a happy/sunny look to it that seems ALL wrong. It looks too much like every other reality tour out there. To me, this looks like "just another gay reality site" with a very thin premise that will have a very short shelf life (like GayHitchiker, for example).
This is some dark shit that you are dealing with... this is something that should be filmed in a more menacing environment. The tour shouldn't be pretty shades of baby-blue and it shouldn't feature too-pretty twinks sucking average sized dicks.
If this site was conceived by a gay man that had a real interest in the subject, it would be a COMPLETELY different site. Sure, it probably wouldn't get the initial massive promotion and huge (short-term) sales, but it would most likely still be around 3 years from now... rather than burning out in 6 months like every other gay reality site since Bait Bus.
Having said all of that... I will be joining the affiliate program and promoting the site on my new TGP, lol.
Keep trying guys... and if you are seriously interested in conquering the gay market... hire some gay people. ;)
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Originally posted by undermyspell
ok Jasun am I missing something? LOL
and JIg I will take that under advisement although i'm not sure that I could entice their cocks to be any harder than they are at the moment. I just don't have the right equipment.. :wtf:
you dont happen to shoot in south florida, i have equipment :D
unless they're impotent :)
undermyspell ... jasun claims to be able to bed more straight men than, well I don't know what, he just gets a lot of them in bed. :)
dz
in bed... up against alley walls... behind rows of trees.. in the back of cabs... I made out with a guy in front of his girlfriend (who told me she wanted to see it) on stage at Lee's Palace last week.Quote:
Originally posted by Dzinerbear
he just gets a lot of them in bed. :)
dz
HA
well I guess that scores one for me and removes some from Jasun's tally since I happen to be a female... :howl:Quote:
Originally posted by Dzinerbear
undermyspell ... jasun claims to be able to bed more straight men than, well I don't know what, he just gets a lot of them in bed. :)
dz
then I'm gonna need a couple more shots of Jack. And maybe a couple shots of Jager. I'll be fine.Quote:
Originally posted by undermyspell
well I guess that scores one for me and removes some from Jasun's tally since I happen to be a female... :howl:
hee hee
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Originally posted by Xstr8guy
Pretty site, high quality content, poor execution.
This is not something new to the gay market... this type of material falls into a degradation/humiliation niche.
I agree that the language is a little naive, but I think the site has much more potential... and the goofy language is just a minor part of the problem.
Imo, the tour has a happy/sunny look to it that seems ALL wrong. It looks too much like every other reality tour out there. To me, this looks like "just another gay reality site" with a very thin premise that will have a very short shelf life (like GayHitchiker, for example).
This is some dark shit that you are dealing with... this is something that should be filmed in a more menacing environment. The tour shouldn't be pretty shades of baby-blue and it shouldn't feature too-pretty twinks sucking average sized dicks.
If this site was conceived by a gay man that had a real interest in the subject, it would be a COMPLETELY different site. Sure, it probably wouldn't get the initial massive promotion and huge (short-term) sales, but it would most likely still be around 3 years from now... rather than burning out in 6 months like every other gay reality site since Bait Bus.
Having said all of that... I will be joining the affiliate program and promoting the site on my new TGP, lol.
Keep trying guys... and if you are seriously interested in conquering the gay market... hire some gay people. ;)
Excellent comments! I really appreciate the input. Here is the thing, we don't just want to tap the "Gay Market" with a site that will fizzle out in 6 months. We want to understand it as well as learn how to market it. With that said, I will put this out. If there is anyone here that knows a content producer that can produce quality videos for the gay market, I would be interested in speaking with you.
Just a little history on how I came up with the site "Boys That Gag." I saw so many straight gagging sites, I just assumed (Ya I know what happens when you assume...LOL)that why not do a gay gagging site. I went out and did a pilot video and showed the video to about 12 gay men. About 70% thought it was good and said they would join a site that offered that type of content. I can agree that although there is a market for this type of content within the gay market, the execution was not up to par as some have suggested. We will remedy that though.
Once again thanks for all the input. Very, very helpful.
Take care