Hunkhunter.... ?

Just submited some 12 sites to Hunkhunter and got reply for all of those that they will not list them as they have many sites in their search engine which have same pictures.... and that I should reconsider either advertising with them or buy new content....

Ok, whatever....

So a friend tells me he also got the same response for his 4 sites.... and another one for 8 of them of total 8....

I've never received similiar reply and I've submited tons of sites.... so my question would be.... anyone else experienced ?

And by the way... does advertising at HunkHunter pays off? Anyone?

what was the content?

i too don't list a lot of the sites with the cheaper content.

just last friday there were 2-3 sites that used the same content submitted by different webmasters, or so I thought.

same with sponsor content.


now telling you to buy advertising instead... i donno about that

HH lists many of my AVS sites and I don't even submit them or have recips on them. :notsure:

Advertising with HunkHunter? I certainly would be interested in reading various opinions. Personally I think advertising would be better spent elsewhere, like a more popular site "JustUsBoys" or a small concentrated link site like "A1gallery".

Last month I had written Dennis of HunkHunter about decreased traffic from his site. Part of his reply was: "Yes, I recall the good old days fondly also. In 1999 we listed a total of about 15,000 links and added about 50 new sites per week or 2600 new sites a year. We list over 45,000 links now and have actually added over 23,000 new sites this past year (obviously a lot were deleted due to some dysfunction). I had one webmaster or webmaster syndicate from Eastern Europe submit over 60 sites last week.

We probably reject over 50% of the sites we find for a variety of reasons, so that means were are reviewing minimally 50,000 new sites per year."

Well... I was never rejected before, and if nothing else, I'd understand if he rejected one or four sites, but to reject each and every one I submited that day...

I did find out that Dennis is on vacation and someone else is doing his business, which also explains why their linklist was totally fucked up last week....

I am seriously considering buying their text link placements but I am a bit sceptical... I would really love to hear from anyone which of those linklists is best for premium AVS site to advertise?

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

HH lists many of my AVS sites and I don't even submit them or have recips on them. :notsure:

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Hunkhunter lists many of my AVS sites TOO !!
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Yeah, back in the day when I was doing free sites for my last job (about two months ago), I'd submit to Hunk Hunter. I must have submitted over a hundred to them, and was only rejected twice, both times because I was (admittedly) using tired, over used content that we've all seen a fucking million times.

I got shitloads of traffic and good conversions from Hunkhunter, so I'd say yeah, it pays to give them what they want.

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Originally Posted by jIgG

what was the content?

i too don't list a lot of the sites with the cheaper content.

just last friday there were 2-3 sites that used the same content submitted by different webmasters, or so I thought.

same with sponsor content.

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It must feel overpowering when you think you're playing god, doesn't it?

Ah, imagine the supereme pleasure induced by hitting the delete button while malevolently grinning at that poor webmaster who was stupid enough to use two-year old pics, or the perfectly fresh sponsor content. That must have been a supreme adrenaline rash!

Greetings:

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It must feel overpowering when you think you're playing god, doesn't it?

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You obviously have never run such a site before, and you're really making an ass out of yourself with these sarcastic comments.

The entire purpose of MODERATING such a site, is to maintain the value added and user experience, so that your site becomes a bookmarked portal, and not a one-time visited annoyance, for your users. Having page after page of sites listed that have the same content, is by definition, an annoyance to the end user....

In the not so distant future, these portals will have to come up with even more value-added features if they hope to attract and retain the end-user. In other words, things are headed in the direction of getting more, not less, "strict".

Get with the program...

playing god? it's a private website, and in order to keep his surfers happy, he doesn't list sites on the same day with the same content. that seems very reasonable to me. after all, he has lots of bookmarkers - why shouldn't he make them happy? they're his bread and butter.

i've never had a site turned down by dennis in all these years.

usually i do quite well when i buy paid listings at hunkhunter, and i'd recommend trying it to anyone.

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It must feel overpowering when you think you're playing god, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by JustMe

Greetings:

Having page after page of sites listed that have the same content, is by definition, an annoyance to the end user....

In the not so distant future, these portals will have to come up with even more value-added features if they hope to attract and retain the end-user. In other words, things are headed in the direction of getting more, not less, "strict".

Get with the program...

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Yeah, tell this to the AVS/AEN owners! It's a point they all seem to have really missed.

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Originally Posted by JustMe

Greetings:


You obviously have never run such a site before, and you're really making an ass out of yourself with these sarcastic comments.

The entire purpose of MODERATING such a site, is to maintain the value added and user experience, so that your site becomes a bookmarked portal, and not a one-time visited annoyance, for your users. Having page after page of sites listed that have the same content, is by definition, an annoyance to the end user....

In the not so distant future, these portals will have to come up with even more value-added features if they hope to attract and retain the end-user. In other words, things are headed in the direction of getting more, not less, "strict".

Get with the program...

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I do agree with your comment about not wishing links to same template/content.

I am sure many reading this know this fact.... since you opened JUSTUSBOYS, the old LINKMEALLOVER.CA link area has not been updated in quite some time. The HUNK page for example. Seems you are enjoying incoming traffic and not giving back. I do though fully understand.

... expecting feedback/comment.

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Originally Posted by tyrain

I am sure many reading this know this fact.... since you opened JUSTUSBOYS, the old LINKMEALLOVER.CA link area has not been updated in quite some time. The HUNK page for example. Seems you are enjoying incoming traffic and not giving back. I do though fully understand.

... expecting feedback/comment.

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You're a dumbass too, how's that for feedback?

I don't have anything to do with LinkMeAllOver OR JustusBoys, must less take advantage of their traffic without giving anything back.....

Did the short bus let out in front of GWW tonight, or what?

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The entire purpose of MODERATING such a site, is to maintain the value added and user experience, so that your site becomes a bookmarked portal, and not a one-time visited annoyance, for your users. Having page after page of sites listed that have the same content, is by definition, an annoyance to the end user....

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The moderator of a link list site can and should refuse submissions that comprise solely of pics that have been seen many, many times before, be it because they are 5 years old or because it's some sponsor content released 2 years ago.

However, if you reject a webmaster only because he/she used pics that you happen to know that is sponsor content because you surf the net or are the reviewer, or because you happen to know you've already seen them somewhere, that is NOT a guarantee for a successful link list site!



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I have no problem with that. Things can and should become more 'strict'. But sometimes, manytimes, link list sites REJECT perfectly viable websites not because their content has been seen many times before but due to some completely other reasons!

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Get with the program...

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Believe me, I will get OUT of this kind of "program" ASAP.

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Originally Posted by JustMe

Greetings:
You're a dumbass too, how's that for feedback?
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Sorry... I am newly active in this forum. I think this is post 4. Forgive me.

Did you really need to degrade and curse me, because I thought you were someone else? Seems quite unprofessional.

Greetings:

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Originally Posted by tyrain

Sorry... I am newly active in this forum. I think this is post 4.

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All the more reason why you should get to know everyone before starting to criticize people, huh?

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Originally Posted by JustMe

You're a dumbass too, how's that for feedback?

I don't have anything to do with LinkMeAllOver OR JustusBoys, must less take advantage of their traffic without giving anything back.....

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I think he was talking to JiGg, who DOES, in fact work for JUB/Formerly LMAO.

no need to get THAT in people's faces, dude...:jasun:

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Originally Posted by basschick

playing god? it's a private website, and in order to keep his surfers happy, he doesn't list sites on the same day with the same content. that seems very reasonable to me. after all, he has lots of bookmarkers - why shouldn't he make them happy? they're his bread and butter.

i've never had a site turned down by dennis in all these years.

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In my original post I wasn't referring to hunkhunter.com but to justusboys.com (although the former are starting to become much like the latter towards their webmasters, which will turn against them, eventually).

Let's make this as private as possible. If I were running a link list site, and if I got 10 submission of sponsor content, I would have probably accepted the first 10 ones, provided they have different design etc.

Isn't it the same situation with bought content? Oh come on, there are sets from Ounique I've seen on at least 4000 AVS sites in the past 10 years, and no one has ever complained about the age of those sets.

And in the defense of JUB, their site will soon be the site to which the rest of the hubs and free portals are compared.

JUB rocks, and if they have to play God a bit, so be it.

anything that makes a site rock isn't playing god - it's making a good site :)

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And in the defense of JUB, their site will soon be the site to which the rest of the hubs and free portals are compared.

JUB rocks, and if they have to play God a bit, so be it.

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what JustMe said

Ben what's your beef with me?

Playing god? Grinning at the poor webmaster? Amazing the things people can put in your mouth, or keyboard in this case, from a couple of sentences.

Btw call me when you have your own link list with huge traffic and lets talk about 2 year old content and perfectly fresh sponsor content.

tyrain jub/linkmeallover.ca's link list is updated 3 times a week

categories only get filled with new sites when there's a submission made for that perticular category

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And in the defense of JUB, their site will soon be the site to which the rest of the hubs and free portals are compared.

JUB rocks, and if they have to play God a bit, so be it.

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All nice sites but Trevor's Banana Guide is the dope. :pimp:

Banana Guide is, yes, amazing.... but very different from JUB.

JUB has become less of a hub and more of a real online community with tens of thousands of members, a forum that has hundreds of hourly visits and people who have become on-line and real-time freinds.

JUB us a place where the users have helped shape and direct the site itself,and some people actually go through withdrawl when not posting and visiting and reading.

A fucking amazing idea...notto take away from beautifully done sites like Banana Guide or Hunk Hunkter or even Hunkmen.

Just go hang out on JUB and join the forum and you'll see why it's the future of online gay anything. People have gone there for advice on how to come out or safe sex and I'm even right now in a discussion about dick piercing... I've never seen another site that has that much to offer.

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Originally Posted by Jasun

Banana Guide is, yes, amazing.... but very different from JUB.

JUB has become less of a hub and more of a real online community with tens of thousands of members, a forum that has hundreds of hourly visits and people who have become on-line and real-time freinds.

JUB us a place where the users have helped shape and direct the site itself,and some people actually go through withdrawl when not posting and visiting and reading.

A fucking amazing idea...notto take away from beautifully done sites like Banana Guide or Hunk Hunkter or even Hunkmen.

Just go hang out on JUB and join the forum and you'll see why it's the future of online gay anything. People have gone there for advice on how to come out or safe sex and I'm even right now in a discussion about dick piercing... I've never seen another site that has that much to offer.

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Jasun, I agree about the community thing, it's really nice. I only pointed out BG simply from a traffic/trust/conversions to paysites perspective, in that he has a corner of his own.

Thanks Jasun! BananaGuide.com is an amazing site. Trevor puts a lot into it and it shows. It's quality.

Ben, it seems as though you feel like you've been mistreated when submitting your sites. If that's the case, please email me JD AT justusboys.com and let me know what's going on. Bryce and I have been doing this a long time. We spent years submitting our own stuff to links lists before we had our own, so we know how it feels to have sites rejected. I hope that even when we deny a listing, we treat you with the respect you deserve.

Now that I'm on the other side of the fence, I see the constant battle that link lists contend with... everything from redirecting sites to trojan/spyware downloads. Incidentally, spyware, etc. is becoming a real liability and may necessitate some major changes in the way LL's operate. Anyway, my point is, its not easy on either side of the game. Surfers are demanding more and more as JustMe said, yet the content really isn't keeping up.

I'm not sure how it will all play out, but I didn't jump in to prognosticate. I just wanted to let you know that while we may not always agree about a certain site or bit of content... I'm thankful for our good submitters and I want to know when we drop the ball.

Thanks!
JD

I run a site that's taken me through both sides of the process and has me regularly going back and forth between the two - as a hub of a significant amount of traffic, constantly receiving requests from people to exchange, list or promote them, and as someone who continues to submit that very same site to LLs and directories all the time.

The only thing that'd really bug me when I wouldn't get an approval for a listing is when you never hear from the site you submitted it to. So you'd have their recip up for god knows how long because it takes them a month to review submissions and they require the recip at the time of submission, only to find yourself rejected or entirely ignored after having sent them traffic that whole time.

That pisses me off like all hell.

Fact of the matter is that everyone is entitled to look out for the wellbeing of their own site, and demanding high standards on a LL is part of that. It's an exercise not only in betterment but self preservation. And it's worked well for JUB, their having established an incredible website. I've been fortunate enough to receive a decent amount of traffic from them and can tell people here that it's high quality, converting traffic. Just as their new JustUsBoy BoysClub paysite has also proven to be a sponsor worth promoting. That stuff doesn't happen by accident, and no one has any inherent right to dilute anyone else's traffic quality.

Not to mention JustJohn tosses a mean salad.

Well it has been interesting reading, but what I find extremly funny about it all is:

1. All thos 14 sites I submited plus one Plus site have earned me several hundred $ last 5 days just by being listed on my AEN... and no other linklist... so I guess if the content or the site layout was so old and overused I wouldn't do quite ok with it...


2. I was never rejected by HunkHunter before and I've submited hundreds of sites

3. Those same sites I submitted to several other linklists and there was no trouble whatsoever, I get lots of "they look amazing" replies (and they are not autoresponders:)

4. If so called "old and overused content" was the case, I believe hunkhunter would be listing only 2 new sites per day... unfortunatly there are not so many content providers with fresh content as there are users who want pics and vids

5. On the other hand HunkHunter sends lots of traffic... but it usually doesn't convert so good as Sinbad or Manpics but still...

Anyway... I'm not angry and totally understand it's his site, he can refuse or do whatever he wants with it... I'm just stunned as I've never experienced being refused.... it's like in real life... you know... being refused is quite a heavy drop on your ego

So.... obviously I will have to look for some other linklists... any suggestions, excpt Manpics, Sinbad, JUB?

Thanx

I've had a text link on Hunk Hunter for about a year now and it's doing alright. The thing is that it's not costing that much, like $80 for three months I think. So really, I only need to get 3 or 4 sales over the course of the three months and I've broken even.

I do wish they'd redesign Hunk Hunter. It's a maze to try and navigate, and I'm a seasoned surfer. I wonder how much traffic just gives up without ever finding the pot of gold. It might have been alright when he was the only show in town; people were willing to put up with the confusion because it was all they had. But I can't help but think his traffic woes are a result of traffic moving to greener pastures.

That said, I sure wouldn't want the job of redesiging that thing ... after this many years of operation, it'd be a huge job. But still, probably worth the effort.

Dzinerbear

I guess a redesign would be welcomed, as it is extremly hard to navigate but it would take a lot a lot a lot of time to redesign it all, since all the pages are in simple .html.... I don't know...


The guy that is replacing Dennis is totally fucking it up, but hey... who am I to say... links are repetative, not updated properly.... for instance today for some hour and a half it just says "0" links for Wednesday....


A mess...

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Ben, it seems as though you feel like you've been mistreated when submitting your sites.

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Sort of. I hate it most when a reviewer doesn't even send a rejection email with a short explanation as to why exactly the site was rejected. And that's what happened with my last few submissions to justusboys and to a few other link list sites.

I really started to doubt the quality of my sites. But when I checked other sites that were listed in that round, many of them didn't seem anything special either design-wise or content-wise. Some were even on free hosts with a bunch of ads. And sure enough, there were some sites with sponsor content (not on justusboys).

Why is it so hard to send a short email to the webmaster with the text "Rejected due to the following reasons: Sponsor content (We don't accept sponsor content by default no matter how fresh or good it may be)" ?

Btw. I never use any pop-ups on my free and AVN sites, let alone trojans.

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If that's the case, please email me JD AT justusboys.com and let me know what's going on. Bryce and I have been doing this a long time.

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It's no big deal really. I'm not a big submitter, but an amateur webmaster who does this as a 3rd rate-priority second job. I make only a few sites monthly because I have many other obligations in life (but when I do make new sites, I try to make them as good as possible). Maybe that's why I was so infuriated when I read Jigg's seemingly offhand comment. Funny thing, when I replied that day I didn't even notice it was his nickname. The rage and anger I felt was overwhelming. That's kinda strange, cause I like him otherwise :)

I apologize to Jigg and to everyone else who I might have offended.


However, it is still my conviction that some major link list sites are increasignly starting to reject sites which have really good content and design. It is my impression they're rejecting them more and more due to the temporary whim of the man who does the reviews. And that's not good, neither for LL owner nor the webmasters.