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Since I was 14 years old I have been addicted to porn videos... but now I am addited to BAREBACK PORN VIDEOS... I just don't like to see videos with guys using condoms any more... even that I do practice safe sex because I am HIV negative... do that happen to any of you? :francais:
Well remember what William Shatner said to the trekkies at the Star Trek convention:
It's just a TV show!
Steve
Is it you in the pic BTW? Avatar I mean.
Wow! And location is Miami!
Lucky you are! :evil:
well... after living here for a while become the same shit over and over...Quote:
Originally Posted by Egypt
My dream is to live in Miami, "pumping iron" and working as a policemen or smth like that! :egypt:Quote:
Originally Posted by caliente4sex
My favorite vids are the pre-condom classics, like the old Colt movies. My only complaint about the old movies... they never hold the good shots for long enough.
That rigth I like the new ones... they know what is the really nasty stuff... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
And about porn - I like it! Videos are cool nowadays! :jasun:
caliente, have you checked out Treasure Island Media?
dzinerbear
well... I have my collection in my AEBN account... :francais:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
It's unfortunate you cannot get into porn just because the guys are being safe. I think bareback porn contributes to an overall attitude in our community that unprotected sex is without consequences - and that translates to more unsafe sex and more HIV / AIDS infections.
I love bareback videos. Until the early 80's, it wasn't even an issue. Now with things the way they are, I sometimes feel guilty when I watch them. I'm safe but I prefer someone else to take the risks. I know that's messed up.
Personally, I'll always be safe until my partner and I are tested/proven/documented safe and monogamous. But I get into bareback vids too. But I don't think it contributes to society's attitude. I think it reflects it. It's gotten to a point where unprotected sex became the taboo to some degree. And I'm admittedly a little piggy. :china:
Gee, I've watched a lot of movies where people were snorting cocaine, and I haven't had the urge to blow an eight-ball up my nose. I have tried cocaine twice (didn't really care for it, but that's besides the point) but it was never after I seen someone do it in a movie. And I have never felt inclined to buy an AK-45 and go to mall for a fun afternoon of shooting shoppers, but I've sure seen it a lot in movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaMan
Why is it that when gay men bareback in a movie it's called barebacking – and it's condemned – and when straight people bareback in a movie no one says anything, it's just fucking ...
dzinerbear
well the stats are there, HIV is on the rise in the gay community as of late, evident everywhere you look. The mags all have the healthy pepole who're HIV+ and all that, asking people what their status is is considered a turn off.
They even had bareback parties during the White Party which is supposed to raise money for AIDS/HIV. That's like raising money for alcoholics while giving out free booze at the party for anyone who wants.
drug use is up too. See New York and gay clubs full of people on extacy and all kinds of shit.
I had this chick, friend of my boyfriend back from the local gay place, thing, organization here in Ft Lauderdale. She called a while back and asked if we would attend a fundraiser, $150 a pop at the cheapest level. I told her no way. Why should I give my money to support someone who thinks they can get high, party all weekend long, fuck everything and everyone bareback because to them HIV isn't a big deal and they can get help with meds, then come get their check?
She gave me the whole "gay community" speech thing and tried to get my boyfriend who's a big softie and can't say no.
And it's fine, everyone can do what they want and fuck themselves up anyway they wish. It's their lives and their bodies. Just shouldn't be expected from all of us to support their habits and automatically spread the wealth.
I'd rather give my money to someone who's got their life together than someone who thinks they should be doing the same old and expect the rest to gather up and pitch in.
It probably has to do with how much aids has affected gays. Especially in the 80s. AIDS is still referred to as the gay disease too by the way. It could also be the fact that in gay bareback models don't get tested for HIV, HIV+ people fuck HIV- people like it's not a big deal.Quote:
Why is it that when gay men bareback in a movie it's called barebacking – and it's condemned – and when straight people bareback in a movie no one says anything, it's just fucking ...
At least that's what my perception is from what I've been able to gather from people who're "in the lifestyle"
That's a part of the problem I find with the way you explain your position on this issue, jigg: it's your perception of the "lifestyle" and you make these mass generalizations that condemn whole groups of people. While I agree with you that drug use in our community is rampant and contributes to risky and unsafe behaviour, I don't think you can tar and feather all gay people, all partiers, or all barebackers with the same brush.Quote:
Originally Posted by jIgG
dzinerbear
It is for these exact stated reasons that certain people disdain or have nothing to do with pornography. Porn seems to be a highly personal choice, and for that it is near impossible to explain it to others.
A gay friend of mine stopped helping me with database work on FriskyFans because he sincerely believes that all porn is addictive and destroys solid relationships. If you read documents by Focus on the Family or the Christian Coalition, they conclude that all gay sex and porn leads to the spread of STDs.
People all draw their lines in the sand.
For my two cents, I have always found these arguments to ring hollow. Did watching Halloween and Friday the 13th cause the young viewers to go out and ape violent acts? Think about the ramifications here: If it is argued that bareback porn will cause people to engage in such behavior, then the Religious Right has been correct all the time - porn really DOES cause infidelity, and tricking and all the other acts portrayed in them.
Everyone is drawing a line in the sand - just where they have a personal problem with the behavior. I'm not criticizing what others believe here, I just personally find it illogical.
Another gripe of mine - I cannot see how a company can pointedly refuse to hire models who perform in gay bareback videos, yet at the same time employ straight models who have performed in straight porn without condoms. (same with awards programs) That is discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in employment... everything we have ever wanted protection wise from the ENDA laws in California or New York is dishonored in these cases.
Well I've probably stepped on enough toes today. To reiterate, I respect everyone's personal opinion on porn. If a business chooses not to associate with bareback porn, this is similar to a store opting whether or not to retail guns, or sell lottery tickets or even beer and alcohol on their premises.
It all comes down to freedom of choice and the right to pursue one's own happiness. Society can be such a rich and assorted fabric.
Steve
Imo, the increase in new HIV infection has little or nothing to do with bareback videos.
It's more likely caused by the relaxed attitude of younger men. They have very little experience with the loss of so many of their friends like people in my generation. Also, the improvement in drug therapies for HIV infection have taken away the "death sentence" stigma of the past.
I didn't experience the loss either although I'm (almost) 41, because I was "straight" until I was 34. On the other hand, my partner of nearly 5 years has lost everyone to AIDS. We bareback but we are in a monogamous relationship and are both HIV-. My partner should be studied because he survived the worst part of the original epidemic completely untouched.
I'm not aware of any studies that break down the age range of those diagnosed with new HIV infection. But I would guess that most of them are younger men simply because most older men are in committed relationships, bored with promiscuity, already positive or gone.
And Jigg, the model releases that I have seen from bareback movie productions state that the model assumes that all participants are HIV+. There is very little chance that the models are becoming infected during the sex scenes because most of them are already positive. And the actors that are negative only perform with HIV- actors. Oh I'm sure there are exceptions, but for the most part, the actors know what they are doing.
I've heard this argument before. Isn't the sex you watch in videos REAL as opposed to FAKE? It's REAL guys having REAL unprotected sex; hardly the same as some phony TV gun fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
Because HIV rates among gay men are much, much higher than they are in the straight population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
Yes minority groups statisticly have higher instances of STD's and alcohol/drug abuse. It comes with being on the fringe and feeling you don't belong in the world I think. The CDC website has some excellent research on the topic of minorities and the reasons for these high rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaMan
Everyone I know has had unprotected sex for a variety of reasons ( GLBT & straight), but I've never heard someone say they didn't wear a condom because they saw it in a movie. Usually it's because they were drunk, they really trusted the guy, no condoms around, they were with a partner and thought they were safe, they were young and thought they were immune, the list goes on.
Desslock, Dzinerbear and others in this thread have made some excellent points, as have you BM.
I think the key here is to remember that entertainment is just that and many people would rather fantasize about having sex without a condom, instead of actually doing it.
That being said, I personally have not yet been in the position of filming bareback videos. I don't think I'd deal well with the guilt if someone, on one of my productions, contracted HIV. We all know people have sex after they are tested, condoms break, etc.
Another thing to remember, the straight community has serious problems with violence against women, abortion and unwanted pregnancies, yet we see straight porn after straight porn where women are degraded, and everyone's having unprotected sex. Why is that? :francais:
The rise of HIV in gay men is directly releated to the use of a littel drug called meth. Which makes people do what they normaly would never do liek have unprotected sex. Barebacking videos have been around for ever and day and the HIV infection rate has not been affected by it. It's silly to think that watching any type of video , porn or not, will make people do that behavoir in real life. If that was the case this would be a very unpleasent world.
You know, I learnt how to jack off from watching Footloose at the theatre. Kevin Bacon was asked by one of his friends how he was doing, he made the jack off motion, then I realized that's how you wack off :francais:Quote:
Originally Posted by outboy
Article on Alternet.org on meth use and gay men...Quote:
Originally Posted by outboy
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/21794/
Check it out!
Lee
Okay fine ... two months ago on the Toronto news, I saw a man hold his ex-girlfriend hostage at gun point right out on a sidewalk of a major street. Ultimately the police shot him in the head. This was a real situation and did not make me want to point a gun at my ex-boyfriend in a public place, nor did it make me want to shoot anyone in the head. It's a shallow argument that watching anyone do anything will incite the masses to follow suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaMan
dzinerbear
so nobody at all ever, anywhere, watches bareback sex and goes out to try it themselves? ever?
jigg,
I'm sure there are people who do, just like I'm sure television shows have to tell people not to try these stunts at home because some jackass somewhere will try it. But you make it sound like we're all sexatrons who can't think for our
ourselves and this simply isn't the case.
dzinerbear
I am just so happy that I am not living in the America or any of its colonies .... this is not the first time that I am absolutely furious at how soem of the people there view life and how they think we all should think, look, feel, walk, breathe, eat alike
I'm just shock by the way some people try to implement their views and make them almost "Holy".... I remember discussion about fake rape site, about arabs, about tracking pedophiles on the net...and some others and now about bareback sex....
God, some of you people should really get a life. If someone wants to watch bareback videos, what the fuck is that your business? If someone is turned on by fake rape sex, again... what's it to you???
"Practice, what you preach."
Dorothy, do you actually believe that 100% of the Gay, Hetero or Bi people use condoms all the time?? Regardless if they watched bareback sex, had dinner with a friend, went to opera before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by jIgG
I don't see the connection. Those that practice, or because of any other reason do not use condoms when they have sex, it's surely not because of the bareback movies, that most of them even don't know those kind of specialized movies exist.
God.... where do you people get these views? Too much Fox News and shit like that I guess....
Well people are smarter then that. They know what they are doing. Barebacking is not a "learned behavior" just like homosexuality is not a "learned behavior."Quote:
Originally Posted by jIgG
And the same with crystal --- even if there were no crystal, some people would be barebacking. People get drunk at bars, hook up and have unprotected sex as well. Sex and sexuality is a titilating issue - and, unfortunately, a lot of these issues get caught up in lots of hype.
I know everyone here has their heart in the right place. I have met many of you guys - and we are all old enough the remember the 80s. But I have also considered the idea that people do not necessarily always act in the smartest, most logical and and necessarily healthful way. And who says what is best? The pope? Mom?
Risk is a part of life.
Should you go get an easy college degree and work as an accountant for a federal agency all your life safe and sound, or should you leave college early and strike out on your own as a self employed entreprenuer?
People drive without seat belts. People eat at Wendy's every day. Every male in here could vastly reduce their suseptibility to colon cancer, diabetes and heart congestion if they became a vegetarian starting right now. So are you? If you are not, are you therefore on a Death Wish?
There are arguably no positive benefits to smoking cigarettes... but hey it is fun. Anyone had a relative die from emphysema? Is this the same thing where people go on a personal vandetta, like anti smoking crusaders, anti porn crusaders or Mothers Against Drunk Driving?
One thing I have noticed about the barebacking issue, is that people have different attitudes about risk in their lives. A lot of this translates to their sexual attitudes and behaviors as well. (I've noticed the attitude among people in other countries is markedly different from say - older white gay guys on the pAcific coast.... or from hispanics in south texas.... anywhere)
I guess I just happen to have a classical libertarian attitude, and that's about most everything.... everyone is different.
Steve
Human
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Originally Posted by dalimili
First of all I'm a guy and like to be addressed as such, please don't talk to me in feminine tense.
Two. I never said I believed everyone used rubber, if I did show me where and when I said it.
Three - drug use, unprotected sex and HIV rates are on the rise.
Or is that some anti-gay consipracy bullshit spread by Foxnews to feed bullshit to the masses?
And just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be a fag about it and equal it to Foxnews, right-wing nuts or such much like the rest of the anything-goes gay crowd that thinks obvious bad behaviour shouldn't be pointed out to them, especially by other gays.
It's not about bareback movies and people fucking with no rubber, it's about the attitude of glorifying unprotected sex, dismissing HIV and making it look like a nuissanse that can be controlled with drugs, in the name of doing what feels better. If you don't think there's a growing sub-culture in the gay community that's about doing what feels good, and making sure not that HIV is PREVENTED but rather kept in control with drugs, so anyone can fuck with anyone unprotected for as long as possible then I don't know.
And my opinion is formed not by what Foxnews tells me, but what a lot of gay rags online and offline are writing about it.
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I still believe you should stop watching Fox and Abc
And the same shit coming from a man who wrote this kind of crap
http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...7&page=2&pp=15
You really have some issues....
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Originally Posted by desslock
You are right except that when you're not a vegetarian only you get colon cancer, and not you and everyone you fucked.
It's like getting drunk at home, when you get in the car and go off driving you're affecting you but also anyone else who might be in the car with you, and everyone else on the road.
sure take a risk, whatever. I have friends that like to race cars, climb rocks with no rope, jump with parachutes and open them as late as possible. But that doesn't affect me or anyone else who doesn't do what they do. 've told them what I think about it, they don't care, and that's that.
You have people who've never taken an HIV test and don't even know what STDs they have, and probably think they're HIV-, those who never would take a test, those that find it a turn off to even ask about the other guy's status, those that lie about being HIV- ... that affects more than just the risk takers
I've heard both sides of the story over and over again. However, I just don't buy that pornagraphers should act or think they can be a moral compass for anyone. I understand if you have personal ethics behind not wanting to view, produce or support barebacking. Personally, for me - I have no problem with bareback porn.
sure let them support and do whatever they want, but they should also fuck amongst themselves too then
http://www.willclarkusa.com/nyblade.cfm?Show=10
Let's not forget that we're talking about movies here. Movies whether mainstream or porn are simply a reflection of society. Life dictates art. Art is not supposed to dictate life.
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Originally Posted by BananaMan
For me, there are several issues with barebacking:
1) First and foremost, the health -- and, realistically, the very lives -- of the models are being put at risk to make a few more bucks for the producer. I know of at least one producer claiming that he does "very sensitive" HIV tests at the moment of the shoot, but this is bullshit because the latency time is known to be 90 days and some studies show longer... so the model that screwed around the week or month or 3 months before the shoot could be positive, infecting others, and STILL not show positive for the antibodies. There is NO WAY to make barebacking safe for the model.
2) Based on what our models have told us about being approached to do bareback work for other studios, more than one studio is blatantly lying to prospective models about the risk. (This in addition to lying about the accuracy of the tests.) The models, many of whom are barely 18 and may be coming from small towns, are often naive and inclined to believe what someone - particularly someone "in the industry" tells them.
3) The message it sends to the viewer is that barebacking is hot, cool, the "in" thing, the exotic, dangerous thing to do. While for someone with some sense, it will be viewed as a fantasy (as Dzinerbear rightly points out), for others, it sends a powerful message.
4) In the early 80s, our industry switched, almost overnight, from all-bareback to all-safe production. This was for a reason... because people were dying and it sent the wrong message, not to mention that it wasn't safe for the models. Nothing has changed, except that no one under 40 can really know what it was like to have dozens or hundreds of your friends dying, and a few renegade producers have started a trend that makes them extra cash at the expense of their models' safety.
5) A *lot* of people dedicated the rest of their shortened lives, once they became positive, spreading the word, reaching out, founding organizations to ensure that others wouldn't repeat their mistakes. Much of what they did was in the face of fierce opposition, because the whole notion was unpopular... bathhouses were closed, the bar scene changed, lots of things happened that most of us are too young to really understand or remember. But because there was such unprecedented unity and action in the community, everyone got the message relatively quickly about the importance of safe sex and the risks of HIV. Nothing has changed except that the drugs are better and people don't die as quickly. People that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. So if we do nothing, we can expect that another generation will experience rates of HIV infection that are unprecedented.
Yes, it is the producer's free speech right to make bareback porn, and yes, it's the model's choice to risk his life if he chooses to. But if we care about one another, about our community, and about our youth, it is, in my book, irresponsible to produce it, sell it, or buy it.