What is your prefered method of payment when sending traffic
or do you do both?
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What is your prefered method of payment when sending traffic
or do you do both?
I hate being first on a poll... :cry: but as there was no 'both' choice... but both is my real answer...
I generally only promote sites/programs that I would personally join. Therefore I think my surfers are more likely to rebill because the sites are giving them what they want.
Forest,
Hope ya dont mind bud, i added a 'both' option to the poll for you also :)
Regards,
Lee
call me stupid...but doesn't it make sense to only promote revshare?
If a site is going to pay out $35 for a $3.95 trial (recurring at $35.95, for example), doesn't that mean that their stats show that their average retention rate is long enough for them to recover the $35 they paid out to us AND also make a profit at the end? So, having have established this, doesn't it make more sense to go with their revshare program (even if it's only %50) where at the end you'll make more money than the original $35? Does that make any sense?
What's behind the PPS? are sponsors really that confident that they'll recover what they payout for PPS, through their recurring sales? And if so (as i explained above), why are affiliates not taking advantage of this information and only promote revshare programs?
something I’ve always wondered…hmmm
Allan
Thanx Lee!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
Greetings:
We had this debate over here before launching AlleyBucks. We tested our first site out for 5 months, so we know our retention rate was huge. So, we easily could have come out of the gates with a PPS program.
However, let me tell you why we chose not to.
1. PPS sites suck ass (and not in a good way) for the most part. The PPS world is FULL of cookie cutter sites that have nothing in them except for a bunch of crappy plugins that usually have nothing to do with what the site's supposed to be about in the first place.
We certainly didn't want to be mistaken for one of those.
2. Programs that run these cookie cutter PPS sites know damn well they're not going to be getting many rebills. So, they make their money by AGGRESSIVELY upselling other sites, and bombing the hell out of the user with popups in the member's area. And, being a PPS program, affiliates are totally out of the earnings loop there.
We certainly didn't want to be mistaken for one of those either.
How do these PPS programs that offer you $30 per signup for a $3.95 trial work? Is it because they have SO much content that the user simply decides to stay a member after seeing it all? No. Simply put, when the user logs in they don't get access to any content, short of what amounts to a secondary tour, until they agree to convert to a full membership. And after they do that, THAT's when they get to see the popups and upsells. Again, the affiliate is out of the loop.
The assumption that sites offering PPS retain a long time, so it's better to go rebill, is not a good one. As I've mentioned above, MOST PPS sites do NOT make their money off of rebills. Now, that's not to say that there aren't some VERY good gay paysites out there that do offer a PPS, and that are making their money off of rebills. However, as I've said, the VAST majority simply don't work that way.
Xstr8guy is right. The best thing you can do is find a paysite that you really like, that has really good content, really good member support, and regular updates. Promote that, and promote it with revshare. You WILL make a LOT more than promoting some piece of crap cookie-cutter plugin site under the PPS model...
JustMe, you have explained in exact detail why I stay away from PPS. Perfect!
The PPS vs. Revshare debate has been going on for many years and, like JustMe mentioned in his post, for the most part, PPS sites dont make money by keeping the surfer on their site, they make their money by sending the surfer to a variety of upsells both in and, outside of the members areas.
In essence, when utilizing a PPS business model, the sponsor actually loses money for the first month or two upon opening their program and it is only once they start to see a good 'flow' of traffic that they actually start to make a profit. Mark Tiarra posted an analysis of the figures he had seen over the past 8 or so years of working with PPS and Revshare sponsors on another board a month or two ago and those figures were quite simply amazing.
The PPS business model does make a webmaster more money in the short term however, the same can also be said for revshare model paysites especially if their members area arent up to scratch.
My own experience has taught me that running a revshare program is definately the way to go for the start of an affiliate program, you get to judge how much traffic your affiliates are sending you and, you also get to see what happens INSIDE the members area and how you can successfully play with them to make the best surfing experience for your paid members.
After several months of running a revshare program, you may have also noticed that many sponsors start to raise their payouts, this is because they have either spent the time to build an impressive members area or, they need more traffic to build on the existing members area.
You might also have noticed that many of these programs once they raise their revshare percentage within a month or two tend to turn to both a revshare and a PPS business model, using the revshare funds they keep to supplement the payouts on the PPS affiliates in addition to using it to further improve not only on their members areas but also in their marketing presence.
Personally, we use a mixture of revshare, pps and PPC sponsors, the PPS sponsors get used on 'shitty' sources of traffic for a quick 'hit' of funds whilst the revshare sponsors get utilized on more 'quality' traffic where most of the time, signups generated to our revshare affiliate program often surpass the payouts on the PPS sponsors beause their members areas retain, giving us long term revenues.
Ultimately however, it will all depend on how you decide to profit from your traffic, if you make more on revshare, use revshare, if you make more on pps, use pps, if you make more on CPM or CPC use those payout models.
Regards,
Lee
I agree with JustMe and xstr8guy here. If a site looks like it's a dog and isn't going to retain well. I usually go PPS. If the site looks decent enough and looks like something I could promote and with a good conscience say "this is a really good site" then I usually do revshare.
If it's a new sponsor and I don't know them, I'll often start out PPS.
Also, I go PPS often with good sites like Randy Blue or Circle Jerk Boys simply because they're so heavily promoted and I think it's harder to get sales. I mean if you can grab a sale out of one of their hosted galleries when there are 4 billion of them out there, grab the money while you can. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the sites, there's not, but it's just like selling a bottle of Coke in Atlanta.
dzinerbear
Oh, I'm gonna use the hell out of that analogy from now on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzinerbear
that's interesting...cuz i just realized that i knew all this before even asking the question. Over the years and through trial-and-error, i've learned what works and what doesn't and that's what i've implemented in my AVS sites.
I too promote BOTH PPS and RevShare programs, but in totally different ways. Now that i think about it, i've been doing exactly what Lee has mentioned above. I direct all my "crappy" traffic to PPS programs (with totally AWFUL member areas) for a quick buck. And i send all my "quality" reliable traffic to reputable revshare programs.
If this poll was taken on a straight board, I bet the results would be reversed.
you got that one right I think. nice new avatar too... :extat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
Greetings:
I think you're right. One of the main reasons being, it seems that gay sponsor programs tend to put out a better quality product than many of their straight counterparts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
give us a few years and i think we'll all be just as ruthless as them. I think it's a natural progression when competition builds upQuote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
good post JustMeQuote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
Would love it if you would respond to my icqs to you
Its like you dont love us anymore
=(
Greetings:
Haha, no, we still love you. How could we not love the ones that designed our affiliate page for us (and did a great job I might add!)Quote:
Originally Posted by forest
We're just in an in-between stage right now, and have a hold on design work. I'll hit you up when we're ready to start our next project, which should be in about a week.
Thanks again!
i've talked to a lot of sponsors about this - more people join a program offering pps. a LOT more, in some cases.
they want their money now - they don't WANT to have to rely on time to get paid. anyway, lots of programs have good retention - 3 months, for example - so the members aren't unhappy. but if you only make an average of $11 per month minus ccbill check fees etc, you still might do better financially with pps.
there are plenty of good sites you can get paid per signup. i don't think you can say that circlejerkboys sucks - it's FULL of content - but pridebucks pays per signup.
i think it's more accurate to say that most big program's sites suck inside. they sure seem to!
But Revshare is also an option with PrideBucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
revshare is also an option on almost every big program, including a lot of sites that are basically 100% plugins. a program offering revshare isn't a guaratee of retention - i've promoted a couple sites that looked good, and only converted 10% from trial to monthly.
JustMe - I totally agree with what you said, very nicely put!
xstr8guy - yes, I bet the results are very different not only with straight sites but also if you did this poll on gay site promotions on other boards too. I have a feeling all of us tend to put quality over quantity, which makes sense to pair that with revshare. For instance, how many webmasters here make their money strictly on CJ sites?
bassckick - also agree, pps sponsors attract more webmasters but imho those webmasters are usually not pushing quality or quantity (read: newbie)traffic anyway.
cheers,
Luke
luke - most of the bigger webmasters i know push pps, not revshare. i think they want their money guaranteed.
Justme, I dont really agree with you at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
The payment methods an affiliate program chooses to use doesnt have any bearing on what the quality of there sites are going to be like.
From the webmasters perspective all it comes down to is this: do you want short term gains or do you want long term, possibly higher gains but with more risk. Maybe losing your rebills if the program goes down, or not making more than you would if you had chosen to be paid per signup.
From a members site/affiliate program persepctive it's a lot easier to setup a revshare program than PPS because they don't need to pay out such a large amount for the initial signups.
We run a few large high quality sites and we also happen to pay per signup (as well as revshare) and ummm, we make 99% of our money from rebills :) From what I've seen over the years I always thought thats how everyone did it! lol
(having said that, I HAVE seen some pretty dodgy sites in the past though!!)
IM glad to hear thatQuote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
It was a pleasure working with you but william has gotten lonley with no gay work to do
LOL
;)
Greetings:
I know, and I promised him that there were going to be some, dare I even say it, "vaginas", in his future too.... We'll see what we're moving forward with next, might need to expedite GirlAlley.com haha....Quote:
Originally Posted by forest
I am just using recurring right now but will be switching to per signup in a few weeks i think while everyone is struggling with their money because of the economy.