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It would seem this isnt going to affect TGP'ers as much as was initially though.
It reads like all TGP owners and submitters have to do is put up a 2257 link on their TGP home page and any submited galleries :)
On the face of it, that is good news :)
Regards,
Lee
I still don't fully understand what this will entail and what people are going to expect to see.
I do expect that it's going to get a little crazy submitting to some tgps in the next little while.
Oh well, I'm working on plans and contingincy plans and what not. :)
Greetings:
If any of the thumbnails that you post on your TGP are sexually explicit, you must put 2257 information, which is YOUR address, and YOU must have copies of all of the records locally for each of those sexually explicit thumbnails, cross referenced.
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Originally Posted by Lee
What do these acronyms ( TGP/MGP) stand for?
Can someone explain?
I have looked at several products likee
http://www.chameleonsubmitter.com
and all of them have failed to explain what it is the product actually does.
TGP = Thumbnail Gallery Post
MGP = Movie Gallery Post
A surfer arrives at a site like Cumsoda which is a page of thumbnails. Each one of those thumbnails leads to a gallery that was submitted to Cumsoda by a webmaster like you and me. It's a way that you get lots of free-riding, looking-for-free-porn surfers to your site. Apparently it's all the rage. I think it largely makes your site look like Poland in 1945 when the Nazis left: there's a big gigantic mess and a couple of Nazis bought a potato on their way out.
cheers
dzinerbear
That was way more helpful then looking at products deisgned to submit to those sites. :king:
-E Dog
No probs. Lots of acronyms and initialisms in this biz. Keep asking or people won't stop to explain them. So what are you doing here? Tell us about you and your work. What are you working on these days?
cheers
dzinerbear
If i submit tgp's for a sponsor i have to put "my address" or their address?Quote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
as listed on their 2257 info on their site?
wondering for my
http://www.whitejocks.com site
You're a secondary producer under the regulations -- you are publishing by having a tgp gallery. Thus you must post/link to the required information on your business and the pictures/videos you have published on the net - - for each gallery!!Quote:
Originally Posted by curiousbunny
Read the "New 2257 Regulations As Published A Few Minutes Ago.." thread that gives the details and weeeeep!!
"(2) A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, \reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digitally- or computer-manipulated image, picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the sexually explicit content of a computer site or service that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing." (underline emphasis added)
Sec. 75.2 Maintenance of records is where the bad news is found - - besides all the records on the individual(s) models depected and you (the producer), you must keep:
"(i) A copy of the depiction, and
(ii) Where the depiction is published on an Internet computer site or service, a copy of any URL associated with the depiction or, if no URL is associated with the depiction, another uniquely identifying reference associated with the location of the depiction on the
Internet"
Advice - - get a lawyer. One that knows the adult business. AND join the Free Speech Coalition, 'cause unless you're very very rich and can take the expenses of fighting this on your own you should leverage you anger -- plus, "Under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, only the parties to litigation are covered by an injunction. Therefore only the Free Speech Coalition and its members will be covered by an injunction issued pursuant to any lawsuit initiated by FSC, and only to the extent the injunction restricts the government enforcement." (quote from AVN article by By: Chip Baker Posted: 1:32 pm PDT 5-25-2005 = FSC Recommends Compliance . . .
thanks jonjayw!
I agree that TGP owners who use submitted thumbnails will be responsible for secondary-producer recordkeeping. So, of the US TGP owners who use submitted thumbnails, are any of you thinking of switching to text-only links or to only nonsexually-explicit thumbnails?
considering that in most cases, the tgp webmaster has no real idea of where the images on the galleries came from, or the age of the models, it wouldn't be amazing if they accidentally posted images that were not legal.
how do you know if a cute twink with an adorable boyish face is 18 without seeing i.d.?
I think it's a nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
As a tgp submitter, I will have to put a link on my galleries to my 2257 statement that has my home address, or place of business address.
For example, If I buy content from Ounique and use it in a gallery, I can no longer say Ounique has the records, I have to say *I* have the records, because I am a secondary producer.
As a tgp owner, I can only do thumbnails if they are just a face and thats it. No nudity.
Or I can go text link only, like thehun. With non nude banners on my page or only text links to my sponsors.
If I show a sexually explicit thumb, then I am responsible for having the records for that thumb and I am responsible for listing my home address/place of business as the custodian of records for that thumbnail.
As a thumbnail post owner, if I do 30 new sexually explicit thumbnails a day, then I must get 30 sets of documents a day for the thumbs and keep them as records. And list myself as custodian.
I understand the concern about the custodian of record address being linked in so many places. I currently have 2257 links (or just the URL address without it being linked) on many pages, but I average only 2 visits a day to my two 2257 pages, and I bet many of those visits are search engine spiders. So 2257 pages do not generate much interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc
I urge TGP owners to allow one more outgoing link on TGP gallery pages as the regs require the hypertext link on major entry points to a website.
it's more than a nightmare - ounique i.d.'s (like most content providers) are partly blacked out, and the law doesn't allow blacked out addresses. i haven't heard that they are planning to give out all new i.d. with the addresses - have you?
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Originally Posted by Marc
Prior to this becoming an issue -- I'm pretty sure that I gave allowance for that type of link. I've temporarily disabled submitting because of a server move; But After the server move I'll make sure that there's an allowance for 2257 links.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fister
robin - i love your avatar :)
I decided it was time for a change. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick