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    June 3 - A California jury began deliberating Friday on sexual molestation charges that, if he is convicted, could put entertainer Michael Jackson in prison for years. “It is the life, the future, the reputation and the freedom of Michael Jackson that is in your hands,” defense attorney Thomas Mesereau told the panel of eight women and four men during his closing arguments. A guilty verdict would be “potentially devastating” to the pop star, he said.

    Throughout a tumultuous three-month trial, Mesereau painted Jackson’s accuser and his family as liars. In his final statement on Friday, Mesereau reminded the jury that “if you have any reasonable doubt about anything … it’s over. You must acquit.” The defense attorney reiterated his trial-long argument that the accuser and his mother are skilled grifters motivated by greed. “If you convict [Jackson] of anything, they are going to be millionaires,” Mesereau told jurors.

    Mesereau ended his closing arguments dramatically, showing about 30 minutes of footage complied by Jackson’s videographer, in which the pop star spoke wistfully about his lost childhood and his love for children. Mesereau was giving the jury an opportunity to hear from Jackson, even though he never testified in his own defense.

    The defense attorney then handed the floor over to prosecutor Ron Zonen for a rebuttal. In his earlier closing arguments, Zonen had said that the youth’s account of how the star introduced him to pornography and masturbated him while the two were in the master bedroom at Jackson’s Neverland estate was “entirely accurate, entirely truthful and should be believed.” Zonen ended his three-hour summation on Thursday with the words “Michael Jackson should be held responsible.”

    During his rebuttal, Zonen described Jackson as a man with “no restraints on his impulses” and asked jurors to think about their own children. He again showed footage of the accuser’s July 2003 interview with police in which he told them he’d been molested by Jackson and again tried to counter the defense’s claim that the child was a gifted actor. “This is an absolutely sincere revelation by this child that he had been abused by a man he had previously been close to.”

    The dueling videotapes formed a dramatic end to a 14-week trial that saw 85 prosecution witnesses and 50 for the defense. The accuser, who was 13 at the time of the alleged abuse, is now 15. The videos were “very powerful evidence," said legal consultant Michael Cardoza, who was a prosecutor for 15 years and a defense lawyer for 15 years in the Los Angeles area. "The emotion in the courtroom was palpable."

    With more than 1,200 members of the media from around the world gathered in and around the courthouse and fans shouting support from the street, a pale and frail-looking Jackson, who reportedly had been to a local emergency room the night before where he was treated for dehydration, arrived at the courthouse on his mother’s arm and supported by several family members and friends.

    Prosecutors have asked the Santa Maria jury to find Jackson guilty of 10 felony counts: one of conspiracy, four of committing a lewd act on a child, one of attempting a lewd act and four of giving alcohol to a minor to aid in committing a felony. Earlier in the week, Judge Rodney Melville instructed the jury that they have the option to reduce the alcohol charges to the lesser misdemeanor of giving alcohol to a minor. The maximum sentence for all charges is 20 years, but sentences on multiple counts of the same charge could be served concurrently. Even a conviction on just one count of a "lewd act" could bring a sentence of three years. Before they were sworn in and retired, Melville gave the jury additional instructions and told them "you are not partisans in this matter. You are impartial observers of the facts."

    With no forensic evidence except for a few fingerprints on adult magazines, the case pits the boy’s word against Jackson’s. “It comes down to the battle over the credibility of the boy and his family,” said Andrew Cohen, a Colorado lawyer working as an analyst for CBS News. “Ultimately the jury has to decide. Both sides appealed to their common sense. If [the jury] believes the family, they’ll convict. If they don’t, they won’t.”

    At the end of the day, Jackson was advised by his lawyer to give no comment as he left the court. He has appeared thin and pale in recent days, though a spokeswoman, Raymone Baine, described Jackson as "physically healthy" but nervous about the outcome of the trial. "He's going to be wanting to be pulling his hair out," she answered when journalists asked what Jackson would do while waiting for the verdict. "He's going to be relaxing with his family. None of you would want to be in his shoes."

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    Your thoughts on this? Do you think after 3 months of evidence and testimony the Jury will find him innocent or guilty?

    Personally, having seen some of the stuff that was said in the courtroom, i do think the guy is innocent of the allegations this time around, i think the mother on the other hand, needs to have her head examined VERY closely.

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    i have no idea if he is actually guilty, and there is no real hard evidence except for those finger prints. why were that boy's fingerprints on that magazine, btw?

    if i were on that jury, i would not find him guilty. the point to a jury trial is not about the personal beliefs either way - it's whether the evidence allows a reasonable doubt. since there is virtually no evidence, just accusation, i would certainly entertain a reasonable doubt.


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    To me Jackson is a predator of children. Though not evidence it does start me doubting his motives of befriending children.

    He had a very close shave before and bought off the family. Any normal person would of stopped befriending children immediately, to continue lays him open to further doubt and problems. He continued.

    Pedophiles do not think they are doing anything wrong. Jackson carried on as before still having children into his house, staying over night and getting way to close to them.

    It is totally irrelevant whether the accusers family make money from this, they can become billionaires. The charge is did Jackson abuse the child not how much will the family make from it.

    What concerns me is the lack of other people to step forward to corroborate the accuser. But would you step forward if you had been abused?

    Jackson’s word against his accusers, Jackson did not take the stand we do not have his word.


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    paul - first off, the law here requires that any juror with a "reasonable doubt" find him innocent. it's the law.

    second, he may be a predator of children, but consider this. this guy is fucking RICH. once he was accused once, it seems only obvious to me that other parents who hope he'll settle out of court are going to jump on that bandwagon to try for some quick cash.

    after all, he was accused before, and the parents knew it. why were their kids even with michael jackson? anything is possible, and we'll never really know, but would you send your child to hang without you with an accused ****? would anyone do that who didn't want a paycheck?

    i'm not really saying he did or didn't do it - i have no idea. but i see it as at least possible that he did not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by basschick
    ..., the law here requires that any juror with a "reasonable doubt" find him innocent. it's the law.
    Just on that basis he's innocent in the legal sense. The woman pleaded the fifth, was proven BEYOND a reasonable doubt to be a liar in court, therefore, just using pure logic, he's innocent.

    When you have a mother of a child that has a history such as hers, you have to think the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The first place they went wasn't the cops, it was an attorney, and not any attorney, the SAME ONE which got the previous big settlement. Another thing people don't think about here when they say there are so many accusations that are so similar to the other case... they have the same shady attorney.. hello! He could tell them EXACTLY what to say to make it seem like Jackson's done it again.

    Because of my court case and what I went through, I'm not at all quick to judge but as far as if Jackson is a child molester in reality, not just in the narrow eyes of the law, yes I think he is. I think he's a **** because after they showed evidence from that book that chronicled Lord of the Flies and I looked it up on the internet to see exactly what they were talking about.. you had to be a serious ****, or an actor in the movie, to want to keep that particular book. He has books of naked boys, he has mostly boys sleep in his bed, and that's not a good combination. Whether he molested this kid is hard to tell from the evidence.
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    from what i've observed as "evidence" i don't see anything other than "unfounded" testimony.
    i personally don't feel he did it , but then the law is not founded on feelings so either he had a good defense! , the accusers had a bad offense! , the media "over-sensationalized!" the whole "court-experience" making the truth impossible to see , only time will tell where this goes!
    i really don't know what is "sicker!" , that a child may have been assaulted? , or that the public is that "entertained!" by it.
    m*chael jackson is not above the law! , but then he is not what i would consider your average citizen.
    being flung into "super-stardom" at such a young age and never really having a "childhood" makes him "child-like" and at his age would make him suspect of being guilty.
    there are people out there that truly love children and not in a "sexual-sense!" and i do not want to give them the impression that they are doing something wrong.
    i have been entertaining the idea of adopting! , however for obvious reasons , i would have to stop my dealings in the "adult-industry" to even be considered as a serious applicant and of course for personal reasons i would not want to raise a child in this climate.
    and before i lose my train of thought! , i'm tired , i'm going to bed!

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    From what I understand, MJ's insurance company settled the '93 case. Suposedly against his wishes. He didn't pay any of it, at least not directly.

    This time around, the prosecution wants the jury to believe that MJ molested the kid after the Bashir documentary aired, after the media frenzy began, after the molestation investigation began. Which is a hard pill to swallow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by basschick
    i have no idea if he is actually guilty, and there is no real hard evidence except for those finger prints. why were that boy's fingerprints on that magazine, btw?
    He was handed the magazine during his grand jury testimony before it was tested for his finger prints. So that bit of evidence is nothing now due to sloppy police work.

    Jackson clearly has a fondness for young teen boys, but I doubt that he's ever actually molested any of them.


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    You know after some other cases recenty, it makes me think that actual hard 'evidence' in trials isnt something that gets thought about by the jury anymore. I mean, look at the Scott Peterson thing, there wasnt ANY hard evidence against him, no body, no witnesses, only circumstancial evidence that at best was weak.

    No matter what the verdict is though, innocent or guilty, MJ is going to be perceived as a ********* for many years to come and, i dont think he will ever recover from that.

    On the positive side of things though, is he is found to be innocent by a jury of his peers, you would hope he would sue this family for the last $0.01 they have, its going to cause irreperable damage to his reputation.

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    Whether he is found guilty or not, anyone who has seen the Bashir documentary can't possibly think that he is anything but a raving ****! Talk about creepy! That innocent looking kid snuggling up to Jackson while they were sitting on the stairs and the look of defiance in Michael's eyes that said to me "I'm invincible, just try to stop me." creeps me out beyond belief.

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    this is not fact but from what i've been reading m*chael jackson is considering working in vegas with the "winn" hotel after this is over ( providing of course he is found innocent! )
    he still has a large following , and depending on how many years pass he may influence the next generation to follow , once again only time will tell , i've watched people rise to the top and fall just as quickly but somehow i don't think he will starve! , hey! , he can borrow money from his kid-sister J*net..."all for you!"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt 26z
    He was handed the magazine during his grand jury testimony before it was tested for his finger prints. So that bit of evidence is nothing now due to sloppy police work.
    I remember reading that as well. The cops didn't fingerprint the porn mags before giving them to a 15 year old to identify in the grand jury hearing. Pretty convenient that the cops fingerprinted them AFTER the boy handeled them in court and it was only 1 print they lifted from one finger on one page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
    Whether he is found guilty or not, anyone who has seen the Bashir documentary can't possibly think that he is anything but a raving ****! Talk about creepy! That innocent looking kid snuggling up to Jackson while they were sitting on the stairs and the look of defiance in Michael's eyes that said to me "I'm invincible, just try to stop me." creeps me out beyond belief.

    "There's nothing more beautiful than sharing your bed." OH PLEASE!
    Right and don't forget the lord of the flies book .. and another **** book he had in his bedroom closet. :ill: When they mentioned the name in transcripts online I checked them out.. they aren't technically illegal but I'm still not linking to them.. they are very obviously **** material :ill:
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    Two days and still no verdict... Maybe it's not as clear cut as it looked like it would be.


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